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Old 07-16-2008, 08:19 AM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #1 (permalink)
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1G-specific My first Log...ithink its bad

93 Laser AWD, 16g, ported o2 housing, 3 inch straight pipe exhaust, k&n filter, aircan not hacked, 93 octane, running wastegate pressure. boost goin to 14lbs.

3rd gear pull.

Rpm InjD Knk o2 Timing
4281 57% 0 .83 8
4531 64% 0 .83 8
4781 79% 0 .83 8
4906 91% 0 .83 9
5093 106% 0 .83 9
5312 103% 9 .87 10
5687 95% 22 .87 6


I was getting knock up to 40 then I adjusted my safc at 5k +10 6k +20 and 7k +20

I have stock injectors and pump.

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We need a log from 2500rpms WOT all the way to redline, unless you get knock over 15 counts then I would just get off the throttle. If your running stock injectors you should not be messing with the safc to much. Stock boost on every 16g ive had is 10-12psi max.

I think you are running more than 14psi because your injectors are maxed out. Thats why you are seeing the knock.


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well i dont want to goto redline, i have never pulled the car that high of rpm before, and it actually feels slow at anything past 6k rpms like it has no power that high, time to shift
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RPM INJD KNK o2
4062 45% 0 .70
4343 56% 0 .70
4593 65% 0 .70
4812 76% 0 .70
5031 80% 0 .70
5093 86% 1 .70
5281 91% 0 .70
5312 89% 14 .68
5437 91% 27 .68
5562 89% 27 .68
5781 52% 43 .66


Thats as fast as I went. I didnt have timing turned on that log. that was tables set at zero.
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Please fill out your vehicle profile, we need to know what mods you have and it's easier than listing it every time. When baseline tuning, start at zero % across the HI's and do a log. with stock injectors, it may very well mean that at +5% or +100% the injectors are already wide open. Get a log with your HI's set at 0. What are you th points? I generally like to use 30/70.

Have you done a thorough boost leak test to 20 psi?


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You sure boost is not creeping in the high rpms. You need to watch the boost, it may hit 14psi but once you get above 5000rpms look again. I bet the boost is creeping up to 20psi by redline and that is causing you to knock and run out of injector. Only explanation I can see.


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I saw this same thread on another forum, where I advised that +20%, running stock injectors, was way too rich. I had him make a pull with the SAFC zeroed out that showed 0.70v for the front O2.

The only thing I can come up with is that he's running a 2g MAS in a 1g and didn't tell anyone.


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yea im not running a 2g mas. Im only pushing like 1900-2000 or hz airflow through the maf.

If i do a slow pull and slowly get on the gas, like ease on into the throttle instead of matting it. then my boost does creep to about 17 psi.
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the 1g maf stops at 1607 so if your hitting anything over that you have the 2g maf

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I think he's reading that value off the SAFC and not the logger. The OBD-I protocol doesn't allow the ECU to output more than 1607Hz even though the MAS may be reporting a higher value to the ECU.


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thats what i meant, i somehow managed to max mine out acoording to the logger , completely stock.

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I have a 1g maf, on the safc ive read around 1900 hz of air for the max value. Ive read about the same amount maybe more on my old talon with a 14b runnin 15- 20lbs of boost
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Well if noone believes me, I can take a picture of my my intake and mass air flow sensor.
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UPDATE ON OLD POST FOR FUTURE REFERENCE:

Now have fmic, some small boost leaks fixed. Also a 190 pump.
Car was boost creeping to 20 lbs. and still does.
Now has evo 560 injectors w/safc -24 across board with much improvemet. I have around 5k miles on it this way and see great gas mileage 27 mpg (highway). Tuning my o2 volts are around .76-.83 on wot little to no knock.

Next week I am going to try to find time to install a 2g maf with a cold air intake set up.
I will let you know if there are any improvements on overall running and performance.
I have heard both postive and negatives of a running a 2g maf on a 1g due to the change in the timing tables if you do not have a eprom chip to compensate.
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