Buy a 2.3 OR build one.

ProjectTalon92 · 02-05-2008, 09:01 PM

I have so many thoughts on what i want to do when it comes to putting a 2.3 in my Talon. The question i have is, would i be better off buying a 2.3 from like AMS, or FFWD? or should i just build my own and not worry about if they bought cheap parts to build a 2.3? what would all of you do?

ProjectTalon92 · 02-05-2008, 09:29 PM

see that's what i really want to do! but i'm not sure that because they have worked on
4G63s before that they know what a 2.3L needs. i'm sure i can ask if anyone at that particular place has done a 2.3L, but chances are slim to none. i'm not saything that i'm going to be able to get ALL the bad ass parts, but you never know what the guys that build those motors are using. whether they're using quality parts, or cheap parts from the auto parts store.

TunaTalon · 02-06-2008, 07:17 AM

If you’re worried about the local shop’s ability to select good parts you can provide a document specifying the parts and inspect them on delivery. Or just buy them yourself and provide them to the machine shop.

If you don’t trust yourself to select the parts and don’t trust the shop then you will have to find someone you do trust; either a well known shop or a well trusted friend.

Personally I specified the internals and requested the shop to justify any changes. My local speed shop was expert on V8 hot rods but new to turbo fours. I was without my Talon for a looooong time.

Mikael SS · 02-07-2008, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ProjectTalon92

see that's what i really want to do! but i'm not sure that because they have worked on
4G63s before that they know what a 2.3L needs. i'm sure i can ask if anyone at that particular place has done a 2.3L, but chances are slim to none. i'm not saything that i'm going to be able to get ALL the bad ass parts, but you never know what the guys that build those motors are using. whether they're using quality parts, or cheap parts from the auto parts store.

I know that slowboy lists all of the part brands that go into the engine, and even show you the names and pictures of the machinery they use.

I'm sure most of the other builders will do the same.

ProjectTalon92 · 02-08-2008, 03:07 PM

i think that is what i'm going to do is order the parts, and ask what i'm missing, or what i need to get, and get have them assemble the engine. i would love to learn how to do bearings and putting pistons in the block, but i don't want to try on a $10,000 engine and end up spining a bearing. i'm not sure that a shop would let me specify the parts i want, and stand by while they are being shipped.

vaboys2ndgen · 02-08-2008, 04:50 PM

most all shops like buschur, ams, sbr, ffwd all inquire about the parts you would want in the build.

ProjectTalon92 · 02-10-2008, 11:39 AM

yeah i have seen numerous sites that allow you to pick and choose which parts are put into your engine, but alot of those parts are not what i'm looking for. i'm not saying they aren't as good as what i'm looking at, but i'm really set on what parts i'm wanting to put into my engine. like certain crower rods, or a certain crank, etc. i don't want to have to pay extra for those certain parts cause that isn't what they offer with their short blocks or long blocks. am i being too picky? or does anyone else agree with me?

TunaTalon · 02-10-2008, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ProjectTalon92

i'm really set on what parts i'm wanting to put into my engine. like certain crower rods, or a certain crank, etc. i don't want to have to pay extra for those certain parts cause that isn't what they offer...

I know about (ok, am) picky, picky. For my stroker project I created a document specifying all of the components I wanted in the engine. The document was complete with vendor data, prices, and contact data. With that document the engine builder could save time by using the parts I wanted. I still left the option for the builder to justify substitutions. But that option would have required the builder to spend time and expose his choices before ordering.

vaboys2ndgen · 02-10-2008, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TunaTalon

I know about (ok, am) picky, picky. For my stroker project I created a document specifying all of the components I wanted in the engine. The document was complete with vendor data, prices, and contact data. With that document the engine builder could save time by using the parts I wanted. I still left the option for the builder to justify substitutions. But that option would have required the builder to spend time and expose his choices before ordering.

motor is in process of build

DSMunknown · 02-10-2008, 05:16 PM

DIY. You'll learn a great deal through experience and asking questions rather than buying one off the shelf.

ProjectTalon92 · 02-11-2008, 08:37 AM

see i like the idea of DIY. like you said, i'll learn a great deal, and that's what i want to do. i have learned alot in the past coulple years, but i know there is plenty still to learn. i think what i might do is, see if i can keep it at a shop, do it myself and if i need any help then just ask. i know a couple people who own repair places, but they also do builds on the side. a good friend of mine built another friend of mines 406 Chevy Small block and it was insane. the motor has been funning strong for a long time, and puts down great numbers, and can be drivin ANYWHERE! i think that would be a good idea, does anyone else agree? like i said i still want to learn, and that would be a good way to do it i think. not everyone has that oppertunity, but if i can do i think it would be better then putting it together in my garage.

TSi_with_psi · 04-24-2008, 10:24 AM

If you are up to it, build your own. I built my stroker and it was a great experience. its really not that hard.

olmytsi · 04-24-2008, 02:24 PM

If you have time/know good shops/people who can help you, build it. If not, buy it. I think it's cheaper to build it yourself as well.

Boo5t_Addict · 04-28-2008, 04:08 PM

It seems to me like you already know what you want, because you have those parts listed in your profile. Also, if you're going to try and pull 700whp, or enough to run 9's, then I would suggest having a performance shop like some of the big name ones (slowboy, magnus, etc.) put it together for you. For such a high goal, you should be speaking to some of the big shops asking what they think is necessary. I assume this is your first engine build, judging by your posts. If that is the case, considering your goal, just pay a shop to do it. They're more experienced, and you can change parts around all you like. I've never heard of a shop anywhere that builds motors with specific parts, and no others. You're the customer, you decide what goes into it. They'd be able to answer your questions much better than a lot of us here. Just take your time, keep researching, and talking to shops. Keep us posted.