Plain and simple. Should I go with the E manage or DSM link.If you have questions about my setup check out my profile.

I personally am getting an E-manage.

It has far greater tuning ability than the DSMlink. The only problem is with the E-mange you still need something like a pocketlogger to go along with it. But since I already have a pocketlogger it's perfect.

Cool I have a laptop sitting around collecting dust. I think I am going with the e manage.

Easy choice. DSMLink. E manage still tweaks airflow to adjust fuel, which in turn messes with timing. They have some sort of harness you can add from what I understand to tweak timing seperately, but its still a hack method of tuning compared to the ability to go in, and directly adjust the maps inside the ECU. DSMLink also removes all of the stock fuel cut stuff, instead of trying to tweak around it by adjusting injector size and airflow, like you have to do with AFCs and the E manage as well. Want to run 850cc injectors, and still have a smooth idle? Takes just a few minutes to set it up with DSMLink.

Plus DSMLink allows you to directly see the knock signal the ECU is seeing, as well as all of the other variables the ECU sees, and datalog them at relatively high rates. And you dont even have to hack your wiring harness to put it on. For a 2G owner, this is a no brainer.

Brad

Originally posted by L2RTSiAWD
I personally am getting an E-manage.

It has far greater tuning ability than the DSMlink. The only problem is with the E-mange you still need something like a pocketlogger to go along with it. But since I already have a pocketlogger it's perfect.

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What exactly can the e-manage do that dsmlink can't?? You already got the datalogging part. What about changing injector dead time? How about turning off error codes such as random misfire? Sorry, but DSMlink can do way more than e-manage.

I'd like to know about this too, as I'm trying to decide between e-manage and DSMlink right now as well.

The Link has one global fuel adjustment then a 1x16 WOT adjustment map. That's 16 points of fine tuning adjustment.
The E-Man has one global fuel adjustment then a 16x16 map. That's 256 points of fine tuning adjustment.
The Link has a 1x16 WOT map for ignition.
E-Man 16x16 map.
The E-man has high and low Hz caps you can put on your airmeter so you never overrun and it smooths out idle.
Nether is a real standalone but on balance I like the e-man.

Kevin

The number of fuel tuning points is a moot point. When you factor in the number of maps the stock ECU has for every possible concievable situation, there are way more than 256 points. THe bottom line is the Mitsu ECU is a very serious piece of equipment. Thousands upon thousands of dollars and man hours went into the R&D for it. It works EXTREMELY well for all but the fastest. Even Bushurs 7 second car ran a stock TMO ECU. Why reinvent the wheel? I agree with the above post that the emanage is just a glorified AFC, while the DSMlink is a much "cleaner" solution. And its getting even better in V2 with the addition of stutter shift, rally style anto lag, and many functional and diagnostics improvements. I'll never go any other route after using DSMlink. But this is just my opinion... For some poeple something lke having to find a EPROM ecu may be the deciding factor... Its a matter of presonal choice, just be sure to be fuly educated on both options before taking the plunge...

Question is, does anyone have Greddy E-Manage? I hear all this great stuff about DSMLink and all the negative about E-Manage, but that's because no one is using the Greddy E-Manage.

So, anyone using the Greddy E-Manage, how do you like it as far as tuning your DSM?

If you own a 2g, there is no point in buying E-Manage. None. There is nothing E-Manage can do that DSMLink can't, that you would use.

On a 1g, it is a harder decision.

Stupid features like a Hz cap are dumb because:

A: DSMLink has similar features, which I guarantee with work better

B: If you need to use it, something else is wrong with your setup.

But here is my question, I am also torn between these two choices. My problem is though that I am turboing my 97 GS with a PTE 50 trim. So for me which one would be better. I would love to go with the dsmlink but how would I go about that with a GS. Sorry if this seems that I am jacking the thread I am not, just curious. Thanks

There is plenty of reason to get Greddy E-Manage: espcially since these days lots of people have laptops:

Full DSMLink V2 package, EPROM only order $615 + shipping
Full DSMLink V2 package w/socket service order $645 + shipping
Greddy E-manage $295 + $125 for software and cable

That's a big price difference, i could get a set of injectors to go with the Greddy E-Manage for the price difference....

Or, you could begin buying some of the other harnesses and stuff to start getting up toward the level of functionality that DSMLink has.

Originally posted by olsookie
There is plenty of reason to get Greddy E-Manage: espcially since these days lots of people have laptops:

Full DSMLink V2 package, EPROM only order $615 + shipping
Full DSMLink V2 package w/socket service order $645 + shipping
Greddy E-manage $295 + $125 for software and cable

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Don't forget tax on that $295 + 125, or shipping, since you are counting every last bit of the cost. So it comes up to $420 +, saving you a whopping 200 dollars.

What about the cost of the harnesses for the injectors and coils? Or are you planning on running without those, making it behave that much more like an AFC?

What about the OBD2 logger to check all the things that the emanage isn't able to log?

If you really want to shoot yourself in the foot, go ahead and get the emanage and think to yourself how clever you are for saving a few bucks in the short run, as you are hacking into your harness to solder it all in. Hacking your MAF would be an even cheaper way of improperly tuning your car though, just a suggestion. I'd hate for you to miss a chance to save a few bucks

Brad

Originally posted by doug
Or, you could begin buying some of the other harnesses and stuff to start getting up toward the level of functionality that DSMLink has.

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Do they offer a harness for raising the rev limit, removing fuel cut, and logging the factory ECU knock retard values?

Of course not. That's why I said *start* to get up *toward* the level of DSMLink. You can't ever get there all the way, though, which was my point.

So your deciding between a computer based AFC and a DSMlink. I personally chose the link!

Me too.

If you have a 95 ECU I would say the DSMLink is better then the E-Manage. But if you don't I would purchase an E-manage also you can get a complete e-manage setup for less than $425 with all the harnesses.

Check out the Yahoo Groups they have guys who make the support cables for $40.00 and the harnesses for $10.00. If you do the TPS to MAP mod you can hook your O2 to the Boost pressure connection and Log 02.

So,

$295.00 for the E-manage
$40.00 for the support tool
$10.00 for the Iginition / Injector Harness
$40.00 for a MAP sensor for TPS signal
$40.00 for all the shipping going on
$425.00 Total

You can log 02, MAP, Injector Duty, and Timing
You can add, extra injectors, compensate injectors, Change MAS, Correct Idle for BOV, and Adjust Timing.

While its not as clean as a DSMLink it will save you $400.00 if you don't have a 1995 EPROM ECU

Add to the cost of the Link 225(avg. price if you don't search forever to find one at a good price) for an ecu.

so $840 for the link if you don't already have the ecu.

What are the AEM EMS units running for now? $1200 and even though they are harder to setup I'm under the impression you can do alot more with this then even the Link

Originally posted by mazdamx6pwr.com

You can log 02, MAP, Injector Duty, and Timing

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But not intake temp or baro pressure(which when combined with the airmeter signal is how the stock ECU figures out your airflow), calculated airflow, coolant temps, knock retard, fuel trims, or a few other things. Maybe if you add a hundred bucks to your cost, you can get an OBD2 logger, then log some of these items(excluding knock). Sure you will have to try to use 2 different loggers, and sort through and correlate the data between them, but hey, you will save a few bucks, right?

Originally posted by mazdamx6pwr.com

You can add, extra injectors, compensate injectors, Change MAS, Correct Idle for BOV, and Adjust Timing.

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The injector compensation just cuts airflow signal, just like the AFC. Good thing it will allow you to adjust timing with the harness, you will have to once you start tweaking the airflow signal to match your bigger injectors. With dsmlink, you just put in the numbers for the injectors when you upgrade them, and you don't have to worry about trying to dial in your timing map again. You also don't have to worry about the fact that the bigger injectors are more likely to put you in the lower airflow sections of the timing map, and result in a tune thats going to move around a lot more, and be good one day, and cause lots of knock the next.

Originally posted by mazdamx6pwr.com
While its not as clean as a DSMLink it will save you $400.00 if you don't have a 1995 EPROM ECU

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And not buying the emanage kit will save you another $400+. Think of all the money you could save!

Brads your not understanding the E-manage is just a means to an ends.

1. I'm not sure if you noticed but not many DSM owners tune based on those items. Most logs you see posted from the 2G's are of RPM, Timing, TPS, Injector Duty, and 02. I've never seen someone post Coolant temps, or Air intake temps. All of which the E-manage can log.

2. Most people who have AFC's don't complain about huge timing issues they just try and tune around them. Spending a little extra time tuning the timing isn't a big deal to save $400.00 plus at least the E-manage has these options the AFC sure doesn't. If you tune a little conservative you won't have drastic changes in knock from day to day. I'm sure if you tune a DSM link to the edge you might have to tweak it every now and again.

3. Its not about just saving $400.00 it’s about having an alternative. Using your logic why didn't you just save your $800.00 in buying a DSMLINK buy an AEM. It’s only another $400.00?

Also it seems like you are attacking the e-manage product like you built DSMLink yourself. The E-manage like a AEM, Haltek, TEC-III and DSMLink are just alternative products to tune a vehicle. Its not a huge deal. Its basically this from cheapest to most expensive. Reprogram ECU if you have a 95 or a ECU, S-AFC, E-Manage, DSMLink, AEM, Haltek, etc...

And to throw another monkey wrench into the works, this Apexi Power FC looks pretty interesting too.

Originally posted by doug
And to throw another monkey wrench into the works, this Apexi Power FC looks pretty interesting too.

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No dsm's in that list

Application Chart:
Part # Vehicle
Honda/Acura
414-H003 96-98 Civic EX (U.S.)
414-H003 96-98 Integra GSR/LS/Type R (U.S.)
Mazda
414-Z004 93-95 RX-7
Nissan
414-N010 99+ BNR34 Skyline GTR
414-N013 93-96 Silvia S14(Before Minor Change)
414-N014 91-94 180SX RPS13 B/M/C (Red Valve Cover)
414-N014 91-93 Silvia PS13 (Red Valve Cover)
414-N015 91-94 180SX RPS13(Mid Minor Change)
414-N016 96-99 Silvia S14 (After Minor Change)
414-N017 96-99 180SX RPS13(After Minor Change)
414-N019 93-96 Silvia S14 (B/M/C) D-Jetro
414-N023 96-99 180SX RPS13(A/M/C) D-Jetro
414-N024 99-02 Silvia S15 D-Jetro
414-N025 99+ BNR34 Skyline GTR D-Jetro
414-N026 89-99 BNR32/BCNR33 D-Jetro
414-N029 89-99 BNR32/BCNR33
415-A001 99-02 Silvia S15

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Originally posted by mazdamx6pwr.com

Also it seems like you are attacking the e-manage product like you built DSMLink yourself. The E-manage like a AEM, Haltek, TEC-III and DSMLink are just alternative products to tune a vehicle. Its not a huge deal. Its basically this from cheapest to most expensive. Reprogram ECU if you have a 95 or a ECU, S-AFC, E-Manage, DSMLink, AEM, Haltek, etc... [/B]

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I really hate to hawk my own stuff, but the ECU+ also falls into the "alternative tuning device" category. http://www.ecuplus.com. Also logs coolant temperature

Tom