check out rippmods.com, they started making supercharger kits for the 3g eclipse, galant, and lancer, i know it's not a real dsm but they are supercharged, with vortec s-trim compressors....i know it's a 3g and all, but they move pretty good with these kits

That is what they put turbos on DSM's, so you didn't have to mess around with superchargers.
~Mark

I thought a supercharger added to a dsm would be really awesome! Twincharging!!! Oh yeah! I've read some threads before on the subject and all it accomplishes is arguing. It turns into one big pissing contest. What kind of supercharger to use? Where to put the intercooler? What size turbo? ETC. I really don't see twincharging ever being done, because it requires a lot of time, knowledge, trial and error, and MONEY! The engine would need to be completely built with very nice forged internals, balanced and put together with perfection, a stand alone engine management system, very large turbo, very large injectors (or a row of secondary injectors), a supercharger (possibly a supercharger/intake manifold combo), lots of tuning time, and many other things. If you're after torque the stroker 2.0 is much easier, and already been done. I think twincharging is absolutely possible, because the dsm has such huge aftermarket support, and only a supercharger system would need to be fabbed, but like I said the money involved is a really big draw back. Turbo magazine has done a twincharged 2g toyota mr2 V6. It was absolutely nuts. First they swapped in a V6 which would normally be enough. Then they added the TRD supercharger available for that V6, and then they carefully selected and added a turbo! They did full tuning on each setup. When they got to the twincharged V6 they came to the limits of the stock V6. It was so pressurized that it lifted one of the heads enough to let out coolant steam!!! That's when they decided to rebuild the engine with heavy duty internals, fasteners, etc. I don't remember what the last progress was. I think they were waiting for the engine to be returned. I thought that was one of their coolest projects so far. Sorry for such a long thread. I just think its a really interesting topic, but it'll more than likely only be bench raced and argued over instead of being tested. Later.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=117905

That thread.
Midway through it there's a link to a person who's supercharged his dsm.
Awsome pics and you may be able to contact him.

Goodluck bro.

Originally posted by Blizz92tsi
I thought a supercharger added to a dsm would be really awesome! Twincharging!!! Oh yeah! I've read some threads before on the subject and all it accomplishes is arguing. It turns into one big pissing contest. What kind of supercharger to use? Where to put the intercooler? What size turbo? ETC. I really don't see twincharging ever being done, because it requires a lot of time, knowledge, trial and error, and MONEY! The engine would need to be completely built with very nice forged internals, balanced and put together with perfection, a stand alone engine management system, very large turbo, very large injectors (or a row of secondary injectors), a supercharger (possibly a supercharger/intake manifold combo), lots of tuning time, and many other things. If you're after torque the stroker 2.0 is much easier, and already been done. I think twincharging is absolutely possible, because the dsm has such huge aftermarket support, and only a supercharger system would need to be fabbed, but like I said the money involved is a really big draw back. Turbo magazine has done a twincharged 2g toyota mr2 V6. It was absolutely nuts. First they swapped in a V6 which would normally be enough. Then they added the TRD supercharger available for that V6, and then they carefully selected and added a turbo! They did full tuning on each setup. When they got to the twincharged V6 they came to the limits of the stock V6. It was so pressurized that it lifted one of the heads enough to let out coolant steam!!! That's when they decided to rebuild the engine with heavy duty internals, fasteners, etc. I don't remember what the last progress was. I think they were waiting for the engine to be returned. I thought that was one of their coolest projects so far. Sorry for such a long thread. I just think its a really interesting topic, but it'll more than likely only be bench raced and argued over instead of being tested. Later.

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you know pushing compressed air into a turbo or supercharger would be VERY bad....even if that were to work how alot of people think, you could only push 10psi out of each. I mean it makes no sense when you can get 20 psi out of a turbo, or supercharger(onl;y a kenny bell has put that much boost on a street car and not blown...at least what Ive seen). I f the idea were to get alot more boost, then Id say forget it on a gas engine, if we were driving around diesels then Id say go right ahead and run 45psi youll be fine otherwise one type iof forced induction is needed.

IOh and I saw those numbers they were claiming, I hope they werent saying slap this kit on your v6 turd 3g and youll get 418hp and 351whp. I hope they meant with full exhaust cai, gobs of fuel, and lots of tunning. There is no way a supercharger is going to more than double hp by itself and be relible on a motor thats n/a from the factory. But if they mean with mods and alot of fuel and tunning then Id say those are some nice realistic numbers.
Andrew

it totally can be done. never seen it on a dsm, but if you can do it to one car, there is probably a way to do it to a dsm.
Street cars definantly run more than 20psi on the street man. All my buddies usually push over 20 and up to 30 with c-16.
You would have to have the turbo before the supercharger and the charger would have to be a tillar type that was the manifold I would assume. The bennefit to this set up is the use of a small turbo for fast spool up, and the supercharger for instant boost at wot.

The whole thing is prolly a waste of time and the standard big turbo built motor setup works fine.

My last car was a VW Corrado G60, and the shop that built it had a twin-charged 1.9L motor in their race car. Anyway, the car is technology wise FAR short of the dsm's and in my opinion one of the biggest wastes of money, BUT their race car was CRAZY. INSTANT 25+psi of boost all the way to a redline of about 8K. That is over 6,000 rpms worth of max torque in your powerband to play with!!!! Sucks for a street car, but fun to drive I suppose.... Anyway, my two cents is that it is very cool, VERY expensive, very time consuming, and WILL break way before your turbo only motor will.:thumbdown

I should have been a little clearer on this in my first post, I didn't think there was that much intrest.

My plan is to use a GTP Eaton M90 superchager with an A2W Intercooler, on my built 2.4L stroker.

No turbo, No twin charging, I'm not on the budget I would like to be

I'm looking to have 18-20Psi from 2K -> +

No turbo lag, No oil and coolant lines, no turbo timer, no bov, no wastegate.


The SC would be mounted on the back side of the block, upside down with the outlet facing skyward, then a exit manifold bolted onto that with the boosted air pointing out towards the passenger side, through the intercooler then into the intake manifold minus the throttle body.

Yeah.

Show us the pictures when it's done and running.

Supercharger on my dsm? I'd buy one. I am absolutly intrigued by the idea. I think the concept that turbo's are for small motors and superchargers are for big motors is completely bass ackwards. When youve got 5.7 liters making 350 lbs of torque at idle, why in the hell would you need 20 lbs of boost from off the line? If you were to take a nice kenne bell/whipple and throw it on a prooven motor like a 4g63 it would be nothing short of miraculous. I would love to explode off the line in my gsx with 350 lbs of torque in my all wheel drive from a dig. As it is i gotta break torque to spool my damn t25 to have a decent launch. Small motors need extra power every where, wich S/C's do pretty damn good, big motors are limited to traction as it is and would be better suited for a burst in the mid to upper powerband. But no, we do it completely the oposite. Ive heard it all about why it is the way it is, but I still believe that we should atleast have thee options for each available to us to choose. Another interesting thing with the supercharger is, when you upgrade the supercharger for say a high boost application, there is no loss in drivability like when you take a t25 off in place of a t88. If you press the pedal more you get more power plain and simple. Unlike turbo for more power it means a longer wait.

Originally posted by ecr1055
it totally can be done. never seen it on a dsm, but if you can do it to one car, there is probably a way to do it to a dsm.
Street cars definantly run more than 20psi on the street man. All my buddies usually push over 20 and up to 30 with c-16.
You would have to have the turbo before the supercharger and the charger would have to be a tillar type that was the manifold I would assume. The bennefit to this set up is the use of a small turbo for fast spool up, and the supercharger for instant boost at wot.

The whole thing is prolly a waste of time and the standard big turbo built motor setup works fine.

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I know alot of people run more than 20psi on the street, If you read my post I meant puting both a turbo and a sc oin with normal boost itll push way too much boost for a gasoline engine(street engoine.)
Andrew

Originally posted by jamiesibley

No turbo lag, No oil and coolant lines, no turbo timer, no bov, no wastegate.

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What most people don't know is that some superchargers also are affected by something similar to turbo lag.

DISADVANTAGES:
- Robs engine of power (up to 30-40hp)
- don't get max boost until redline

ADVANTAGES
- no back pressure

Originally posted by Iwantaneclipse
What most people don't know is that some superchargers also are affected by something similar to turbo lag.

DISADVANTAGES:
- Robs engine of power (up to 30-40hp)
- don't get max boost until redline

ADVANTAGES
- no back pressure

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Depends on the type of blower you go with. It you go with a roots type like a 6-71 or 8-71 then it will build boost right off idle if pullied correctly. The ones that dont make boost right away are the centrifugal type. Procharger Vortech those type. There would be less plumbing and instant boost, depending, so it would be nice to have in an AWD. I really dont like that fact that people always throw out that SC take horespower to turn. So what, they are still addign more power to the engine unless you get to the point that they are no longer effecient.

Michael

Originally posted by Iwantaneclipse
What most people don't know is that some superchargers also are affected by something similar to turbo lag.

DISADVANTAGES:
- Robs engine of power (up to 30-40hp)
- don't get max boost until redline

ADVANTAGES
- no back pressure

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According to kenne bells web site it only takes 18 hp to make 15 psi. Keep in mind that was a compressor for a mustang, the compressor would be alot smaller that we would be putting on our cars. Twin screw compressors are very efficient. The old roots style might have the amount of draw you speak of but still doubtful that one of the little ones that we would use would have that much draw. Also roots and twin screw are positive displacement superchargers, means from about 2k til redline you have a set pressure in the intake.

Originally posted by Iwantaneclipse
What most people don't know is that some superchargers also are affected by something similar to turbo lag.

DISADVANTAGES:
- Robs engine of power (up to 30-40hp)
- don't get max boost until redline

ADVANTAGES
- no back pressure

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Just sayin what i've read. I stand corrected.

Originally posted by Iwantaneclipse


DISADVANTAGES:
- Robs engine of power (up to 30-40hp)
- don't get max boost until redline

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Depends on the blower, centrifical makes its power closer to redline where as a roots type makes all its power from idle to mid randge rpm and is more linear.