im about to order my s20g turbo and i was wondering if i have to buy their install kit. i did call them and they said yes i do need it. (ofcourse they want us to buy from their store) my question is can i use my install kit from my b16g to install the s20g.

thanks

yes

yes because 2G came with a GARRETT t-25 and if you need the install kit for MITSUBISHI Turbo (14b,16g,20g)

thanks guys! i guess ill get it!

Super 20G? err...do a lil research before you make a big mistake in buying that...

Originally posted by Tallen
Super 20G? err...do a lil research before you make a big mistake in buying that...

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I don't see how that would be a big mistake. I would say definitely go for it. I plan on running the SBR 2g20G turbo and from what others have said, it would be a very good choice. If you want to see what others have said, use the search button. The 20G turbos are excellent. Go for it

Originally posted by DSMSpyder99
yes because 2G came with a GARRETT t-25 and if you need the install kit for MITSUBISHI Turbo (14b,16g,20g)

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? All you need is an oil return line and new gaskets. Even though it says garrett on the T-25, its still half mitsu.

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I don't see how that would be a big mistake. I would say definitely go for it. I plan on running the SBR 2g20G turbo and from what others have said, it would be a very good choice. If you want to see what others have said, use the search button. The 20G turbos are excellent. Go for it

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...I'm talking about the HRC Super 20G...thanks for replying thou.

ive searched around about hrc s20g. from what i heard it not bad. ive heard from people that have it and they are not complaining.

The S20G is not a bad turbo, just a little expensive. The S16G (i had one on my old gsx) is a complete pos.

yes the S20g is a good turbo and you can really feel the hp difference when you start boosting over 20 psi.... well at least i did, that is for the few months i had my car.

S20G =

Originally posted by Groomz


I don't see how that would be a big mistake. I would say definitely go for it. I plan on running the SBR 2g20G turbo and from what others have said, it would be a very good choice. If you want to see what others have said, use the search button. The 20G turbos are excellent. Go for it

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Everyone knows that the 20G is a potent turbo, but Hahn uses a BIIIGGG exhaust housing, which results in a crap load of lag. I would suggest staying with in the TD05H, 6 or 7 exhaust.

Here we go again.... Please try to listen to the people who have or have had these turbos. I have a S16g at the moment and am going to the S20g now(in the mail) and yes you will need some kind of an install kit. The kit they sell at HRC includes 2 spacers that you will need to make it fit unless you get a T3 manifold. One between the mani and head and one between the mani and turbo. Just use new gaskets and you shouldn't have any leaks, atleast I don't. As for the insane lag, IF you have your car set-up right it shouldn't be that bad. That means no leaks before the turbo and the proper fuel management (injectors and safc) tuned right. Seems like the people, not all, who bash these turbos either never had one or they didn't have the supporting mods. Maybe there not the best turbos, but there not the worst either and for the price right now I'm not complaining. Enjoy

im planning to use the current install kit i have, so hope that works and imma order the turbo on monday. GSTwkd when does full boost hit on your s16g?

your install kit for the 16g will work, however you NEED the adapter. hahn sells it seperat. I have a super20g, I love it. but the exhaust side has a T3 flange on it its square and wont bolt up to the round hole with out an adapter or "spacer" plate. lag isnt all that bad. I have the turbonetics manifold and I have 10lbs of boost at 3200 rpms. and more than I need by 3500 lbs. its hard to keep it under 18lbs of boost no mater which actuator you get with it.

Well put GSTwkd, every putting down the S20g dosent know what there talking about. You cant always believe what you hear. If you call boost starting at 2,700 to 3,100 rpms and calling that insane lag.. then i guess your right, but i dont. besides for the little lag there is (if you have the supporting mods and your car is tuned correctly) the top end more than makes up for it. My S20g pulled hard in 5th gear at over 5,000 rpms, and was still pulling past 7,000. as a matter a fact i had to get off the gas and watch my rpms cause the my turbo was still pulling and i needed a 6th gear to keep going, and no that isnt a lie.

OK, I am not going into another discussion about why you are about to make a mistake… There are enough resources on line to show that and if that is not enough for you, I can’t help you ether…

But S20G is different from regular TD05 Mitsu turbos, so you will ether need HRC’s kits or buy all the parts that are needed to make it work. Plane old 16G install kit will be pretty much useless for S20G/S16G installation.

Leon
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god im tired of ppl talking shit about hrc turbos. first off did everyone that talks bad about them own one?!?!? NO! stop repeating what u hear. i owned the super 16g and had that thing for over 2yrs. dynoed 326whp, ran multiple 12's with my best mph being 113, stock motor. if i wouldve put my cams in with that turbo im sure i wouldve had over 340whp. not to shabby i think.

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Everyone knows that the 20G is a potent turbo, but Hahn uses a BIIIGGG exhaust housing, which results in a crap load of lag. I would suggest staying with in the TD05H, 6 or 7 exhaust.

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and how do u know this?!?!? u HAD one? the s20g spool up 200rpm slower than an fp green, can u feel 200rpm at wot of lag? cuz i cant. yes u would think that with that big turbine housing the lag would be outrageous but until u tried the turbo first hand dont knock it.

>god im tired of ppl talking shit about hrc turbos

And I am tired of people not using “shift” key. So join the club .

>first off did everyone that talks bad about them own one?!?!? NO!

Well, that would be a “NO” in my case… I knew better I had two customers of with both of those HRC turbos, so I do have a first hand experience with them. Since you must insist I will list my gripes:

- they are laggy, certainly laggier than standard counterparts (HRC will be the first to admit that)
- They are NOT giving you any extra power once you do wait extra time for the boost to kick-in. This is only my personal opinion based on observations and on other people’s timeslips.
- They are more expensive (can’t argue with that…)
- The extra spacer introduces extra gasket that can leak and any leaks before the turbo will cause loss of power.

I just do not understand why people buy them…

>dynoed 326whp, ran multiple 12's with my best mph being 113, stock motor

There are numerous small 16G’s that have ran in the 114-117mph range an heavier AWD 2Gs.

Leon
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Well, that would be a “NO” in my case… I knew better I had two customers of with both of those HRC turbos, so I do have a first hand experience with them. Since you must insist I will list my gripes:

- they are laggy, certainly laggier than standard counterparts (HRC will be the first to admit that)
- They are NOT giving you any extra power once you do wait extra time for the boost to kick-in. This is only my personal opinion based on observations and on other people’s timeslips.
- They are more expensive (can’t argue with that…)
- The extra spacer introduces extra gasket that can leak and any leaks before the turbo will cause loss of power.

I just do not understand why people buy them…

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they arent laggier than a br20g, so whats laggy to u?
They dont give u any power?!?!? how much psi were u running 15psi?
i think anyone knows 20g's in general love 22psi+ so if your running less than 15psi sorry buy your not going to feel the power. right now the s20g is 699 plue 200(install kit), 900 bucks. the br20g is 1350. i dont know about u but that br 20g is looking pretty expensive. as long as the install is done correctly or done by a professional nothing should leak, mine never did.

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There are numerous small 16G’s that have ran in the 114-117mph range an heavier AWD 2Gs.

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i have a friend that had a small 16g, ran a better time than me(better driver) and his best mph was 114, mine was 113. if i would've added cams with that turbo with out a doubt i wouldve trapped 115-116mph. oh but wait the s16g is still a bad turbo, right

im currently running the s20g and im happy with it. dynoed 346whp on pump gas, and theres still room left to get more. wait till i run race gas and tune it on that. i let a friend, that recently didnt like the s20g cuz of its be 10cm housing, drive my car, he loved the s20g so much and was impressed with whp i got that he ordered one for his evo1.

>they arent laggier than a br20g, so whats laggy to u?

First of all, I wasn’t talking about BR20Gs. And I do not think that BR turbos were as laggy, anyway. That 10cm^2 housing on HRC turbos is a real killer… And I am not sure that you want to bring up a BR20G anyway, to the best of my knowledge, that turbo is the only 20G that made it into the 10’s. I do not believe that any S20G did that.

I am talking about plane old 20Gs, (20G cold side on a small 16G), I had one for several years, it ran 11.36 @ 123. Even that was not all that impressive as others have gone faster on same 20G’s.

>right now the s20g is 699 plue 200(install kit), 900 bucks.

I must admit that I didn’t know that they dropped the price so much, they must be stuck with a bunch of those turbos and trying to get rid of them , but I would still not buy it….

>i have a friend that had a small 16g, ran a better time than me(better driver) and his best
>mph was 114, mine was 113.

OK… So you agree with me, right?

>if i would've added cams with that turbo with out a doubt i wouldve trapped 115-116mph.

The only thing that you can say with out a doubt is that your car will then have cams. Anything else is just bench racing…

>oh but wait the s16g is still a bad turbo, right

So at best, you are looking at S16G being as good as small 16G. So why get more lag, more complexity and pay more for the same performance?

>wait till i run race gas and tune it on that.

Here we go with more bench racing…

You want to beat out regular 20G’s? Get your car tuned and run some 10’s with it. Want to go after BR20G? Beat 10.7.

Until you do that please spare us the bench racing tales about how fast your car WILL be “someday”.

Leon
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well then until u have experience with a s16g or s20g stop making remarks until u use one yourself. stop saying it sucks when u never owned one. my point is that hrc turbos arent as bad as ppl make them out to be. i never said the s16g was cheaper than a small 16g. but im saying thats its equal. sorry man the s16g DOESNT have more lag than a small 16g. i believe that hahn did have their neon run 9's with the 20g but that was with the aid of nitrous. but still 9's isnt bad with a s20g.

so let me get this right too, u talk about bench racing, if i have a car running pump gas, are u saying im not going to have ANY hp increase on race gas tuned? or can u say, for sure, there will be an increase in whp, the question being, how much? right?

>well then until u have experience with a s16g or s20g stop making remarks until
>u use one yourself. stop saying it sucks when u never owned one.

I would never own one… I guess you missed a part that where I said that I had a “privilege” of working on, tuning and driving customer’s cars with both of those turbos. They both complained of “really bad lag”, I just made sure that their WG actuator was working fine (which it was) and that didn’t have any obvious leaks. My opinion of those cars was: a lots of lag with no apparent extra power.

>sorry man the s16g DOESNT have more lag than a small 16g.

If you are saying that your S16G was no laggier than a Small16G, then you are disagreeing with me, HRC and just about everyone else…

Leon
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