Evo III 16G or GT?s

weaver · Mar 9, 2006

I'm buying a evo 16g from turbochargers.com They give you the choice of the 16G or the 16g GT version. I was wondering what you guys thing about the GT version. Is it as well made as the 16G? They have a page on their website defending the negative remarks about the GT, but I want to know what you thing about it.

Thanks

95blackGsTurbo · Mar 9, 2006

The GT is almost identical to the EVO III 16G but come's ported standard I believe. Personally I would go with the GT turbo. Or just get a EVO III 16g from Slowboy or something like that.

unlmtdndeavor · Mar 9, 2006

first things first, there are PLENTY of threads on this subject. i believe this thread will be locked soon.

the gt has not been out long enough to get a definate good or bad. there have been some that have failed and some that have worked fine. the mitsu ones on the other hand have been around for years and are dependable. the larger ports and upgraded wastegate flapper sound appealing, but i would wait a while on it. the tiny bit of power you will gain with that is not worth the risk imo

ShapeGSX · Mar 9, 2006

If you run an upgraded flapper, you can't run as much boost as a turbo with a stock flapper.

My Evo III 16G (not a GT) is bone stock. No porting, no upgraded flapper. 118.8mph in the 1/4. 3315lb race weight 2G.

Remember that you can't un-port a turbo.

blazebolt · Mar 9, 2006

What I like about the GT is that it comes with the 12mo/12k warranty. I'm still undecided on what I want though. I'm sure once the GT is out more we'll hear some solid feedback. That's when I'll decide. Need to get supporting mods first hehe

TrboANTsi · Mar 9, 2006

i purchased the GT model..i did lots of reading...and all in all..i started reading some good things about it..looks real nice. and its going in next tuesday . this week i just finished installing all my fuel upgrades. sometimes you just gotta do what you think is best for you besides all the things people say to each his own..good luck

BlackbirdOfPrey · Mar 9, 2006

There is a big controversy over the two, personally I would go with the tried and true Evo3 and not take a risk on the GT (even with a warranty, how many times do you feel like pulling the turbo if it fails?). The MHI Evo3 is probably the safer choice, people have been running it forever, the GT is still somewhat of an unknown.

bird man · Mar 10, 2006

I had the GT and 4 months later ended up buying a 50 trim to replace it after the wheel came apart and they would not honor thier warranty

Dragon TalonTsi · Mar 10, 2006

I would personally stick with the Evo III Big 16G, not the GT. Yeah yeah, you hear people talk about this being better and that , but think about it, Mitsu turbos are established and have a reputation for being mechanically proficient and buyer's choice overall, whereas the "NEW" GT isn't established or been out long enough to know the in's and out's of it yet. Eventhough they are both almost identical, listen to this guy above me, bird man, he had it and look what happened to him. Yeah, do you or anyone else want to go through that? NO, I think not.... just go with your feelings, it is your $money$ :talon:

flacopower · Mar 10, 2006

there is an ongoing war between www.turbochargers.com who is promoting the gt heavily, and slowboy racing. just visit their websites and see. he say she say just back and forth between the two

Dragon TalonTsi · Mar 10, 2006

flacopower said:
there is an ongoing war between www.turbochargers.com who is promoting the gt heavily, and slowboy racing. just visit their websites and see. he say she say just back and forth between the two

Yeah, like we all keep saying, heresy is a mofo when you really need the truth.... :talon:

Maverick3169 · Mar 10, 2006

I'm going to recommend that you buy the MHI EVO III, not the GT. I know from personal experiance that these turbo's are flawed. I'm not going to re-explain what happend, you can easily search for my old thread. I'll just say that it only lasted 6 months/3,000 miles.

My sponsor bought me a new MHI (unported/stock flapper), and it runs much stronger.
This is my input, take it for what it's worth.

Maverick3169 · Mar 10, 2006

bird man said:
I had the GT and 4 months later ended up buying a 50 trim to replace it after the wheel came apart and they would not honor thier warranty

They were giving my sponsor crap about honoring the warrenty as well. So he just kept it for the wall of shame.

weaver · Mar 12, 2006

Thanks for the info guys! I have read other threads, but just though I'd try to get some more info!! Thanks alot!! I think I'll order the MHI tomorrow!!! I've still got alot of support mods to do, but my stock turbo just fried and I don't feel like upgrading more than once. Thanks again.

Maverick3169 · Mar 12, 2006

weaver said:
Thanks for the info guys! I have read other threads, but just though I'd try to get some more info!! Thanks alot!! I think I'll order the MHI tomorrow!!! I've still got alot of support mods to do, but my stock turbo just fried and I don't feel like upgrading more than once. Thanks again.

Good choice, you won't regret it... you just saved yourself from a lot of potential problems.

Quasimondo · Mar 12, 2006

Maverick3169 said:
I'm going to recommend that you buy the MHI EVO III, not the GT. I know from personal experiance that these turbo's are flawed. I'm not going to re-explain what happend, you can easily search for my old thread. I'll just say that it only lasted 6 months/3,000 miles.

My sponsor bought me a new MHI (unported/stock flapper), and it runs much stronger.
This is my input, take it for what it's worth.

Maverick's thread

Maverick3169 · Mar 12, 2006

Quasimondo said:
Maverick's thread

Thank you for the assist. :cool:

MyBeatGSX · Mar 17, 2006

Yea I'm bringing this back from the dead. And yea I read mavrick's topic. So we've got 3 people that have blown 1 GT each. My local DSM shop sells the 5 a week they order and none have come back yet. Why is it that we have thousands of people with crankwalk and yet people still defend the 7 bolt, but 3 failed turbos out of the thousands of people on this board (never even 2 in a row) and this turbo is garbage? Do you have any idea how many of those TC.com sells, and yet all we can come up with is 3 failures, which could easily be related to boost leaks, oil problems, etc.

I thought this board didn't tolerate hear-say and exaggeration. This frustrates me when I'm looking for solid facts about a product and get nothing but the typical 'net BS with some guy condemning an entire line of turbos because he had ONE defective one and now he's got a "bad feeling" about them. If I buy a 20G instead and that breaks because it was defective should I come on here and warn people that MHI's entire turbo line is junk, just because ONE of mine broke? I'd love to know who your "sponsor" is, slowboy? Give us a name, advertise for them, its why they give you stuff for free. When someone breaks two in a row I'll agree they're junk.

Can we PLEASE get some solid information about these things. The fact that they only cost ~$50 less than a real Evo III would tell me they can't be that bad. And since TC.com does no more work than MHI would have to do to build it (cast porting not hand porting) why should it cost more or even the same, you're saving the name brand expense, that's all. We aren't talking about an SSautochrome turbo selling for $200.

That's something to be worried about.

dsm-onster · Mar 17, 2006

I bet you felt better after you typed all that up :thumb:

.

Don't get me wrong. I have given SBR thousands in business. And I am going to give them about a thousand more w/in the next month to month and a half. But, . . .

Yea. It's new. and it's being compared to the MHI EVO3 because of it's name. This was a poor market strategy by the manufacturer of the GT, IMHO. But the turbo has been proven to deliver more than an MHI evo3. See:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1833061&postcount=6

Reliability can only be measured sometime in the future...

To me, it's the fact that this turbo is a direct punch at the beloved MHI EVO3 16G. Everyone loves this turbo. because of its broad range of application. It will suffice for a 300whp car and it will suffice for a 400whp car. . . But if you know what you want, there are much more efficient turbo's than the EVO3 at 300hp or 350hp or 400hp. This turbo is for the novice who has no idea where he wants to go, but will surely b!tch and moan about spool and just wants a turbo that will keep putting out after he gets more upgrades to beat the mullet-head down the street.

That's a good thing unless you're sure what you want. I remember when water injection was only a "band-aid" and propane injection was for diesels. But the sluggish dsm community will eventually come around. This turbo is going to be around for a while and beating the evo3 guys with a WTF face. Just don't expect any new turbo to be recieved well or any new concept for that matter. It's just a culture thing...

DSM guys used to think 20gs were too laggy for the street

. Until WRXs started rolling away and they were looking down at their gas pedal wondering of the mat was bundled underneath it.

I wonder who fought what to prove that a garrett or t-netics turbo was "worthy" for a DSM.

MyBeatGSX · Mar 17, 2006

Interesting post, finally someone with reason and logic. And thanks for the link.

TrboANTsi · Mar 17, 2006

Well Ive had my GT in for about a week now, only getting on it a couple of times because im still breakin in my clutch. Let me say it boogies, until redline. So far so good, and im still tuning. I did a tune with a SAFC and a logger. After 3 tunes the the performance only has gotten better and better. I know its still too soon to say, but im thumbs up for the GT :thumb:

ShapeGSX · Mar 18, 2006

MyBeatGSX said:
The fact that they only cost ~$50 less than a real Evo III would tell me they can't be that bad.

No, they CHARGE $50 less than a real Evo III. You don't know what they cost. They might cost $200 less to make than a real Evo III.

Regardless, I am certain that vendors make more money off of the GT, otherwise they wouldn't have had a reason to make it.

ShapeGSX · Mar 18, 2006

dsm-onster said:
Yea. It's new. and it's being compared to the MHI EVO3 because of it's name. This was a poor market strategy by the manufacturer of the GT, IMHO. But the turbo has been proven to deliver more than an MHI evo3. See:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1833061&postcount=6

That turbo had a real MHI exhaust housing on it when he ran that time and that airflow. And no offense to Tom meant at all, but I've never really trusted airflow numbers from GM MAFs. They seem to be quite variable.

Hell, my own airflow numbers seem to be quite variable by +/-2lb/min, even with a stock 2G MAF.

The GT's exhaust housing, with its ported wastegate, will cause boost falloff when you try to turn the boost up. Tom knew this, so he used his MHI exhaust housing. I suppose you could always wire the wastegate shut.

Reliability can only be measured sometime in the future...

2 years, 8 months, and counting.

To me, it's the fact that this turbo is a direct punch at the beloved MHI EVO3 16G. Everyone loves this turbo. because of its broad range of application.

To me, it is the fact that I know the MHI Evo III is reliable, so I steer people to that turbo rather than one of the 3 copies out there.

It will suffice for a 300whp car and it will suffice for a 400whp car. . . But if you know what you want, there are much more efficient turbo's than the EVO3 at 300hp or 350hp or 400hp. This turbo is for the novice who has no idea where he wants to go, but will surely b!tch and moan about spool and just wants a turbo that will keep putting out after he gets more upgrades to beat the mullet-head down the street.

Or for people who just like 16Gs? :thumb:

It's a great turbo for beating cars with 18Gs, for sure.

Sorry, had to.

kottyking · Mar 18, 2006

MyBeatGSX said:
, but 3 failed turbos out of the thousands of people on this board (never even 2 in a row) and this turbo is garbage? Do you have any idea how many of those TC.com sells, and yet all we can come up with is 3 failures, which could easily be related to boost leaks, oil problems, etc.

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How can you say 3 failed turbos out of thousands?? Wheres the data? Anyways, just buy the mhi its proven. The reason why i say this is because its proven and Ive had severe problems w/ tchargers.com honoring warrantys. Ive never had to deal w/ such BS warrantys as those guys at tchargers.

dsm-onster · Mar 18, 2006

ShapeGSX said:
That turbo had a real MHI exhaust housing on it when he ran that time and that airflow. And no offense to Tom meant at all, but I've never really trusted airflow numbers from GM MAFs. They seem to be quite variable.

Hell, my own airflow numbers seem to be quite variable by +/-2lb/min, even with a stock 2G MAF.

The GT's exhaust housing, with its ported wastegate, will cause boost falloff when you try to turn the boost up. Tom knew this, so he used his MHI exhaust housing. I suppose you could always wire the wastegate shut.

2 years, 8 months, and counting.

To me, it is the fact that I know the MHI Evo III is reliable, so I steer people to that turbo rather than one of the 3 copies out there.

Or for people who just like 16Gs?

It's a great turbo for beating cars with 18Gs, for sure. Sorry, had to.

Hey low blow buddy

!

You're right about the turbine housing... I failed to mention that. Sorry. This has to be taken into consideration.. But It does seam taht for a $200 housing upgrade, one will be rolling through the lasers at a higher speed. I really do love MHI reliability... They're ralley bread and will always have a special place in my heart. But, there is always a "but".

Shape, are you going to the 8 cm^2 housing or are you going bigger turbo... The reason why I ask is becasue some have a bigger issue with choosing between the two becasue of the horsepower potential... If you can prove that the 8 cm^2 housing is a worthwhile upgrade to an MHI EVO3 16g, then there's another option than the would even out the prices (being that one needs a housing uprade when going to the gt to get the results I pointed out in my last thread) and surely make the real EVO3 a better choice because of it's great track record of reliability. I mean, why get a GT and a trurbine housing when you can get a MHI and turbine housing and pay just a hair more and have at leas the same punch PLUS the MHI reliabilty.

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