I was thinking of buying one for my car since it's a FWD. I was just wondering what everybody thought about this upgrade for their FWD. I can't afford a full blown LSD so I'm thinking of getting the Phantom Grip LSD because I've read some great reviews about it. Any info is greatly appreciated.

If you don't know what they look like, here is the picture:

Like wise I plan on buying and having one installed, with the heavy duty spring. I have heard that they work pretty good for the price.

I'm pretty interested in doing this myself someday but I'm really not aware of how that little piece of metal will make my diff act like an lsd, any one have some good links for this?

Originally posted by Devicex
I'm pretty interested in doing this myself someday but I'm really not aware of how that little piece of metal will make my diff act like an lsd, any one have some good links for this?

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You can check out the company here:
http://www.phantomgrip.com/

You should know better than to post in the wrong forum.

Moving to drivetrain/tranny section.

Originally posted by L2RTSiAWD
You should know better than to post in the wrong forum.

Moving to drivetrain/tranny section.

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Oops, sorry L2RTSiAWD. I was in a hurry cause I was watching an auction for the Phantop Grip LSD on ebay. Damnit, didn't win the auction.

got one in my car and from what little time i've had with it (other tranny problems and oil leaks) it seems to be good.

I'd save and buy a Quaife. These things work well for a bit, but then that piece starts to wear against the driveline, and wears it down to nothing. So yeah, it works well until it grinds your drivetrain into powder.

I've been running one since the day i finished up my install.

I've gone through 5 tranny's.. and it's survived everyone.

I would recommend it to anyone..... along with getting the new style.

I have the old one and the springs I believe are starting to get weak as I don't always get the 2 wheel spinning when I launch sometimes right away.

But I am very impressed with it. - I also would like to make a note that this turned my car into the best winter driving car I've ever driven.

Including 4x4 Jeeps that my parents own. No joke I actually raced my ex-roommates Cheerokee Jeep one night after he was talking smake about how pathetic small cars are in the snow comparied to his jeep.

I walked his 4 wheel drive like nothing even from the launch. and this was in Snow. about 3-4"s.

Then stopping as well was just as fast. (but manuals IMO stop faster then auto's. - if you leave it in gear or down shift while you slow down)

I wouldn't run with out one if you have the money.

-brian

Might I ask how you've gone through 5 transmissions?

Originally posted by tjh-dsm
I'd save and buy a Quaife. These things work well for a bit, but then that piece starts to wear against the driveline, and wears it down to nothing. So yeah, it works well until it grinds your drivetrain into powder.

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look another intelligent response from tjh-dsm.

i suppose this is why i know 2-3 fwd autocross guys who swear by this and also drive their cars to work every day yet experience no tranny issues whatsoever. unless your tranny runs out of fluid nothing is going to grind itself up at all, and if it runs dry it'd grind itself up with or without the phantom grip insert. trust me its happened to me.

Originally posted by mavisky


look another intelligent response from tjh-dsm.

i suppose this is why i know 2-3 fwd autocross guys who swear by this and also drive their cars to work every day yet experience no tranny issues whatsoever. unless your tranny runs out of fluid nothing is going to grind itself up at all, and if it runs dry it'd grind itself up with or without the phantom grip insert. trust me its happened to me.

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They don't call it a phantom slip for nothing. I have heard more bad reviews on this item then anything else offered. Do a search at dsmtalk.com.

Originally posted by xleRateGSX


They don't call it a phantom slip for nothing. I have heard more bad reviews on this item then anything else offered. Do a search at dsmtalk.com.

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i did for about 3 months before ordering. most the threads over there were all the exact same. the tranny acted the same then suddenly later on it didn't. its called break in. email the makers and they'll discuss it with you. i was told to do 10 hard launches on it to get it properly working. i've completed 5 and can already feel a difference. my car used to easily spin 2nd with my 14b at 16 psi, yet somehow since the install of my phantom grip and big 16g at more boost i don't spin 2nd anymore at all. seems odd to me that a bigger turbo at more boost has more traction if my phantom grip isn't working.

Originally posted by mavisky


look another intelligent response from tjh-dsm.

i suppose this is why i know 2-3 fwd autocross guys who swear by this and also drive their cars to work every day yet experience no tranny issues whatsoever. unless your tranny runs out of fluid nothing is going to grind itself up at all, and if it runs dry it'd grind itself up with or without the phantom grip insert. trust me its happened to me.

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You know, you don't have to be suck a little f'in pr*ck about it, if I don't agree w/ your opinion, I'm not gonna talk sh*t about you....Jeeesh

I'm just relaying info I've read numerous times on DSM Talk AND AND AND my local list which has some very good DSM Guru's on it. Have I had one personally? No, I have AWD , but I'm just relaying real info from people I have talked to about this. And I wasn't saying it's gonna grind you tranny into pieces, the Phantom unit itself will wear down and lose most of it's use.

Originally posted by tjh-dsm


You know, you don't have to be suck a little f'in pr*ck about it, if I don't agree w/ your opinion, I'm not gonna talk sh*t about you....Jeeesh

... And I wasn't saying it's gonna grind you tranny into pieces, the Phantom unit itself will wear down and lose most of it's use.

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the reason i'm talking #@%#@%#@%#@% is because this is the second place where you have provided false information (the wing thread as well).

and i'd read this as grinding my tranny to pieces

So yeah, it works well until it grinds your drivetrain into powder.

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in the end its up to other people as to who they believe.

Don't you think if it was cheap and worked great then everyone would have one? If it works like shet and is cheap then everyone will hear that. Prime example of telephone is going on here.

Originally posted by xleRateGSX
Don't you think if it was cheap and worked great then everyone would have one? If it works like shet and is cheap then everyone will hear that. Prime example of telephone is going on here.

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the reason its not so cheap is you have to pay to have your tranny pulled and have it installed most times. that'd run you a serious amount of money. of course it costs the same to install a quaife as well. so neither option is "cheap", you'd be looking at a minimum of 600 dollars at most places if you took the tranny in and even more if it was still in the car. also these things won't hold maximum hp. i mean you can't send 700hp through it and expect it to work great, but at that point most guys have enough money to go with a spool or a quaife.

Or a kaaz

Originally posted by xleRateGSX
Or a kaaz

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i'm not a big fan of kaaz's design. the general idea of heating up a fluid to lock it together has its problems. multiple runs on some viscous units can overheat the fluid and lose its advantage. not sure how big of a deal this is in the kaaz, but it is possible. i'd go with a quaife for the money no questions asked.

So then why did you go with a phantom instead of Quaife?

Originally posted by xleRateGSX
So then why did you go with a phantom instead of Quaife?

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because for me money is an issue as a full time college student and i couldn't afford the $600 difference for my performance goals.

Well, from what I have seen, DSMers are very closed minded. If Buschur or Extreme haven't done it, then it isn't worth doing. no offense meant to anyone, but this is a tried and true platform and few are willing to deviate from the norm. In the world of the 420a, we have the Neon guys, who are walking talking deviations from the norm. I, of course, mean this in the most loving way, as their trials and tribulations have enabled the 420a to start to improve. The Neon guys have all said "hell, why not... it's only 275, if it doesn't work, it doesn't work!" And a lot of the guys swear by them now. It is a very common mod for the high HP all motor Neon guys, but the turbo'd Neon owners tend to have the money and attitude to get the Quaife. I, however, don't have the money for a Quaife, so I got a Phantom Grip. I will never own a car with an unmolested open differential ever again. Night and day difference. I don't expect one of the 10 second shop Neons to use one with much success, but for most, it is, at the very least, a marked improvement. For me, it was a godsend.
-=B-=

Originally posted by mavisky


i'm not a big fan of kaaz's design. the general idea of heating up a fluid to lock it together has its problems. multiple runs on some viscous units can overheat the fluid and lose its advantage. not sure how big of a deal this is in the kaaz, but it is possible. i'd go with a quaife for the money no questions asked.

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Hate to be a dick here however you said this to a guy just a few posts up...

the reason i'm talking #@%#@%#@%#@% is because this is the second place where you have provided false information (the wing thread as well).

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Now you yourself are providing FLASE information. A Kazz is not a viscous coupling differential as you have said above. (Viscous meaning viscoscity like oil which gets hard with heat, thus a viscous coupling differential) nor is it a Helical (spelling on this?) or Torsen style differential like a Quaife which is all gear driven.

Kazz is a clutch-style differential which has no relation to a viscous or helical/torsen differential. It uses clutch style plates to transfer power between the wheels. It is a very proven design and have been used in rally cars with AWD for years very successfully. Most professional rally cars use clutch style differentials, not viscous or torsen style. Here is an exploded view of a Kaaz differential.



If you want more info on it goto Kaaz USA Answers to get a full explaniation.

Maybe a trip to http://www.howstuffworks.com/differential.htm would be a good idea.

Go Jim, go Jim, ooh yeah, Jim's the man!

i don't know much about the kaaz unit but i know the quaife works, and it works well. i can't say much for the phantom grip cause my car was way too much for it. lets just say i have a green and a 50 shot.
it was about 4 months ago when i finished rebuilding my motor and putting it all back together. i had an act 2600, with a 6 puck disk, and a welded center diff. i took her to the track after breaking her in and on the first launch, the tranny went to pieces. went home and borrowed a friends tranny with a phantom grip (he said it was ok as long as i gave him $100 towards his tre tranny). went back to the track and again on the first launch the tranny went to pieces. took it apart and found that the phantom grip had snaped in half and went through the bell housing and got mixed up with the gears and did quite a bit of damage.
guess what i'm saying is that if, u have a high hp car, spend the money and get the quaife.

just my .02.

i'm posting under my bro's sn cause i don't come on here often.