Brembo's and Axxis pads from The Speed Factor

Black95TSIawd · Oct 13, 2004

Just got my front brakes done. I love the speedfactor. There prices are amazing. www.thespeedfactor.com Put on some dimpled and slotted rotors along with metal master brake pads. With just the front done, i have AMAZING stopping power. I was shocked on how well they held up. I was braking in the pads doing gradual 40 to 10mph stops as following the directions and with minimal brake peddle pressure, i heard squeeling from the tires. Did that once though, just wasnt expecting it to brake so well. http://www.thespeedfactor.com/brake_dsm2.html Thats exactly what i got and i recommend the speedfactor and this setup to anyone with a street/strip setup. I will be going roadcoarsing with these when the rears are done. Marty is great to talk to, prices are awesome, and i love the performance outcome. If you have any questions, Instant messege me from aim with, blackTgsx.

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Black95TSIawd · Oct 13, 2004

if u guys are seeing red X's.

pianoman · Oct 15, 2004

i've used axxis metal master pads in the past on other cars i've had, most recently on my 3rd gen prelude. They are great pads. I also had crossdrilled rotors on my prelude and with the pads it was a great combo, the car had a much shorter stopping distance the with the stock components. I could tell a big diffrence in the rain when braking. I need to get a set of pads and those dimple rotors with the slots for my 1g along with some S.S. brake lines. More so since 1g's have the crappiest brakes known to man.

UVaJester · Oct 15, 2004

Those look awesome... I'm not surprised to hear the good stuffabout TheSpeedFactor... I have ordered a ton of stuff from them and Martin always makes sure you are happy with what you have ordered... Brakes will be the next thing I upgrade...

Jester

Black95TSIawd · Oct 16, 2004

UofACATS · Oct 17, 2004

First off, nice setup. I will be upgrading soon. Question: Are those rotors directional? Does it matter which way the "slots" are pointing? Maybe Im crazy, but it seems the slots are pointing as if the left rotor is on the right side and vice-versa. Just asking because I plan to replace with slotted, and this seems important. Anybody have the word on this? They're probably labelled? At any rate, thanks for the info. :thumb:

rjdavis21 · Oct 19, 2004

I was wondering the same thing I have mine on the opposite way he does...(the way I thought was correct??)

jtmcinder · Oct 19, 2004

The direction of the slots is unimportant. But if the vanes inside the rotor are angled, then it is very important that the rotors be installed on the correct corners. The vanes need to pump outwards when the wheel rotates. Usually the vanes run parallel with the slots (which would mean that the rotors on the pictured car are installed incorrevtly), but that isn't always true. Pull a wheel off and check.

- Jtoby

Black95TSIawd · Oct 19, 2004

i've been told otherwise. Installing them in the "wrong direction" helps dissapates the gases and what not better.

jammer · Feb 10, 2005

Does the kit from The Speed Factor come with 2 or 4 rotors? I know it comes with all SS brake lines, but dont know if it has rotors all around or just the fronts. Either way i am ordering some next week. What does everyone suggest for the pattern? slotted and dimple drilled? thanks -jam!

D_Eclipse9916 · Feb 10, 2005

It comes with all 4 rotors, 4 stainless steel braided lines and 8 brake pads.

Jaronk56 · Feb 12, 2005

I think it is a great deal... cause the big kits are alot$$$.. and that helps when ur one of the crazy guys converting n/t to turbo :talon:

FallouT · Feb 12, 2005

I also got the brake kit from thespeedfactor. i love the feel of my brakes now.

the only problem i had was the rear brake lines. i couldnt get the rubber ones off. so i left em on there.

i doubt the 8" of rubber hose in the back is going to make that much of a difference since the front does most of the braking anyway.

also i got my rotors sloted only. i didnt know the offered dimpled rotors aswell. ohwell. im satisfied.

jtmcinder · Feb 12, 2005

FallouT said:
i doubt the 8" of rubber hose in the back is going to make that much of a difference since the front does most of the braking anyway.

Actually, it could be argued that, on a lowered car, it's more important to upgrade the rear lines, since lowered cars usually stop faster with the brake bias shifted to the rear.

- Jtoby

Omega · Feb 16, 2005

Black95TSIawd said:
i've been told otherwise. Installing them in the "wrong direction" helps dissapates the gases and what not better.

If you buy into the slots actually helping mindset, why would the gas care how it escapes? It will take the path of least resistance... up or down, doesn't matter.

And to illustrate the vane direction:

1992AWDDSM · Feb 22, 2005

In reality, the only part of this kit that is helping are the pads. The ss lines will help you out if your factory lines are old and worn out. They will bulge and pressure will drop at the caliper.

But as far as slotted and dimpled rotors, they are for cosmetic purposes mostly. You're actually losing surface area for braking for every dimple and slot cut into it. As far as gas evacuation goes, Wilwood and Hawk pads are slotted, so you don't need slotted rotors.

My $.02, skip the rotors and get quality pads and ss lines, if you aren't going to go to the expense of a big brake kit. Unless of course your rotors are warped. Then obviously those need to be replaced as well. You do want to make sure the rotors are directionally vaned.

Black95TSIawd · Feb 23, 2005

you sure about that?

1992AWDDSM · Feb 23, 2005

Yeah.

Omega · Feb 24, 2005

Yup, you are infact losing surface area for the pads to contact from the slots and holes.

90CherryTSI · Feb 24, 2005

but I must be missing something. Why do most performance sportbike type motorcycles come with drilled rotors from the factory and 99% of aftermarket rotors come drilled? Why do the Mercedes SL65 AMG's have slotted/cross drilled rotors as well as alot of other high performance cars? I've had 7-8 sportbikes, all drilled rotors, to help reduce heat build up/warpage/brake fade under hard braking situations I thought. All moto racers run drilled rotors on their bikes running upwards of 190+ mph. I realize you lose some surface contact but the trade off is not warping rotors and having brake fade by keeping them cooler which would be a much bigger issue than losing a fraction of the surface contact. The advantages of cross drilled rotors greatly outweigh the disadvantages. Brake fade is a bad thing, get rid of the heat as fast as possible is a good thing.

prostreetdsmx1 · Feb 24, 2005

while you loose surface area the lack of heat helps inprove your braking ability. Just about anyone running our kit or anything similar can verify that they get better braking with them. We use this same kit on our street and even competition cars and we wouldn't do that unless we saw significant improvements in performance. These reasons are why so many manufacturers offer similar setups for the top performance cars.

definitiveno · Feb 24, 2005

90CherryTSI said:
but I must be missing something. Why do most performance sportbike type motorcycles come with drilled rotors from the factory and 99% of aftermarket rotors come drilled? Why do the Mercedes SL65 AMG's have slotted/cross drilled rotors as well as alot of other high performance cars? I've had 7-8 sportbikes, all drilled rotors, to help reduce heat build up/warpage/brake fade under hard braking situations I thought. All moto racers run drilled rotors on their bikes running upwards of 190+ mph. I realize you lose some surface contact but the trade off is not warping rotors and having brake fade by keeping them cooler which would be a much bigger issue than losing a fraction of the surface contact. The advantages of cross drilled rotors greatly outweigh the disadvantages. Brake fade is a bad thing, get rid of the heat as fast as possible is a good thing.

simply put, the drills are weight savings. The more surface to mass ratio an object has, the greater it's ability to disapate heat. Drilling does not increase the surface to mass ratio. Porsche uses this technique for weight savings, the rotors are so big that removing some of the surface contact won't affect the braking ability and they shave a few lbs off rotating mass by drilling. Probably no different thinking behind the motor cycles.

Slots however have function. They are not intended to evacuate gasses but to clean the rotor of any water or other agents that can get between the rotor and the pad. They also keep your pads wearing evenly to distribute equal braking across the pad surface at all times.

neuro · Feb 24, 2005

UofACATS said:
Question: Are those rotors directional? Does it matter which way the "slots" are pointing? Maybe Im crazy, but it seems the slots are pointing as if the left rotor is on the right side and vice-versa. Just asking because I plan to replace with slotted, and this seems important. Anybody have the word on this? They're probably labelled? At any rate, thanks for the info.

I have a set of the Brembo slotted rotors with EBC Greenstuff pads I picked up last year from Tire Rack. The instructions that came in the Brembo box said that the top edge of the slot should hit the pad first, as in Black95TSIawd's pix above. Can't remember why, though. All I know is the combo works better than my previous setups. SpeedFactor's pricing is good, too, cause I paid about $180/pr for the fronts last year from Tire Rack. I think the EBC's were around $60?

pianoman · Feb 24, 2005

I ran a set of Brembo crossdrilled rotors, and Axxis metal master pads on my 3rd gen prelude, which saw a high amount of action on many twisty country back roads. The brakes were a huge improvement over the stockers. Also the pad life on the Axxis pads was really good for the amount of abuse they saw.

Greg Collier · Feb 24, 2005

Drilled= weight loss (can crack) Slots= gases escape(run coolier) Dimples= ? looks cool Axxis= great street pad maybe light track use? (I'd burn up a set of Axxis in one weekend of road racing) Porterfield R4-E $175.00 for just the fronts. You get what you pay for.....

Greg

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