just wanted to know if any of you guys have used the phantom grip and if it works good. i was thinkin about buying a true lsd but i saw this and wanted to know what you guys thought

night to day difference

Do any of you use the Phantom Grip for circuit driving as opposed to drag racing? So far I can only find information about the LSD in drag applications. Does anyone have any insight into cornering performance with the LSD?

I have it installed, and it does a world of good in both cornering under acceleration aswell as straight away, its deinatly worth every penny, and installing it in the diff should take every bit of 2 miniutes... (minus the several hours getting the tranny out and whatnot)

did u guys have to beat your center pin that goes through the whole diff because mine was stuck pretty good and took a little more love than expected

Most people say the Phantom Grip is a piece of shit. If your gonna do an insert, go with the BM Tranny insert. www.slowboyracing.com Quaife or Kaaz is the best way to go!

bm tranny and the phantom grip are almost identicle.. there isnt much that can be better.. its just 2 plates with springs.. thats it.. not alot to improve on.. except maby stiffer springs i gues.. ..

as for the center diff pin, when i knocked the lock pin out the center diff pin came out easy.. but if its a little tight its not the end of the world, just tap it out.. no biggie;

Yeah- I just put the Quaife lsd in my car with the 2600 ACT. Save your money and go with a TRUE lsd.

I was going to with the B&M, and I did not want to have to fix shit twice so I just spent the money the 1st time...

My new saying is this "mod cheap, mod twice"

With the 2600 on my fwd is crazy let alone with the lsd... WOW!

Corey-

2600 on a fwd? you got 500hp and drag slicks?? overkill much?


as for the "mod cheap mod twice"

you have never had a BMT or phantom grip.. only the queef.. so your not very qualified to make judgments between the 2 now are you?

but for the sake of it..

quafe: 1000 bucks + cost of having some press work done..

Phanto grip: 200 buck and all work can be done with simple tools (no extra costs)

is the quafe better than the phantom grip or BMT? well. .DUH.. yea.

is it 5 times better? to justify more than 5 times the cost? hmm.. well.. maby.. maby not..

i have the phantom grip and it does what i need, i get powered traction with both tires while conering and accelerating, and i get powered traction with both tires under straight line acceleration..

if you have $1000 to throw at a LSD and nothing better to spend it on.. yea, the quafe is bitchin.. but for a budget person who would ratehr spend 1000 bucks on shep tranny, rods, pistons.. etc other stuff in general the high cost of the quafe compatred with the performance gain is not really justified..

if you a 1/4 mile guy.. what will give you better 1/4 time.. 1000 bucks spent one quafe.. or 200 spend on a BMT/phantom grip and $800 in power mods (thats bigger turbo, or a 1g head and TB, or an INSANE exhaust manifold, .. etc)

well??

if your a road racer? 1000 on quafe? or 1000 on a better suspension system, or BADASS tires, sway bars? .. etc etc.. stuff like that)



if you have exhausted your list of mods you want to do.. cool, dish over a grand on a quafe.. if not.. well that 1000 will go further with other mods..

again, im not saying the quafe isnt good.. but for 1000 dollers.. there are alot of thins on MY list i would buy first..


for instance.. IAMCLP1 according to your profile, you have NO suspension mods.. your just spend 1g on a quafe lsd and are running around on stock shocks and springs??? your choice i guess but.. you get the point

ok the bmt and phantom grip insert do they fith the fwd non turbo trannies as well because i plan on gettin 1

Ok check this… I only paid 800 for the lsd not a grand and about 350ish for the 2600...

Now for the other issue to address, I just got the car about 3 months ago (stock). I live in Chicago and right now it is -2 out side, with about 7-9 inches of snow on the ground. I was not about to put my suspension set up on in the middle of winter let alone my 18’s to match it. I am going with the Tein Flex setup to match my lsd and the 2600. (One of the best suspension sets ups) Right now the turbo of choice is the g60-1 from SBR. Maybe the perfect turbo for my mods…

So is it worth to spend $200 then blow the teeth on your diff. then have to redo your whole tranny? Those are just all inserts…if you put to much power to something it is going to give it has no choice... then something is bound to snap…Only a matter of time

Corey

ill be happy with 350 hp and i think an insert will be more than sufficiant but will 1 fit a non turbo tranny? are the non turbo and turbo diff the same?

whats fwd hehe

Originally posted by eclipsegsx9797
whats fwd hehe

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fwd is the reason for needing a lsd (or if u seriously dunno what fwd is its front wheel drive)
oh ur awd so nvm

Originally posted by IAMCLP1
Ok check this… I only paid 800 for the lsd not a grand and about 350ish for the 2600...

Now for the other issue to address, I just got the car about 3 months ago (stock). I live in Chicago and right now it is -2 out side, with about 7-9 inches of snow on the ground. I was not about to put my suspension set up on in the middle of winter let alone my 18’s to match it. I am going with the Tein Flex setup to match my lsd and the 2600. (One of the best suspension sets ups) Right now the turbo of choice is the g60-1 from SBR. Maybe the perfect turbo for my mods…

So is it worth to spend $200 then blow the teeth on your diff. then have to redo your whole tranny? Those are just all inserts…if you put to much power to something it is going to give it has no choice... then something is bound to snap…Only a matter of time

Corey

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Well said bro! The thing I hear the most about the Phantom Grip is, that it works for a while, but soon turns your tranny into a pile of mush. I haven't heard anything bad about the BM Tranny though; however, the Quaife is the way to go. Good choice, I envy you! !!

ya i know what it is, and ive helped alot of fwd cars put the power down, if i was fwd i would not go cheap and go right away with quafe lsd. not right away but when traction becomes a realy realy big deal, id rather spend some money for suspension and slicks first.


i know corey and lets just say he will have a nice setup come spring time but of course no where near mine

i dunno bout spending that kinda cash on a true lsd like quafe on a tranny that cant handle over 3-400 hp anyways unless u have a race built tranny. if the diff dont break the tranny or somthin else down the driveline will if u put alot of hp behind it.

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i dunno bout spending that kinda cash on a true lsd like quafe on a tranny that cant handle over 3-400 hp anyways unless u have a race built tranny. if the diff dont break the tranny or somthin else down the driveline will if u put alot of hp behind it.

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Its all preference. If you wanna take a short cut, then get a Phantom Grip. Some people like to do things right the first time and go with whats best. Others, may not have that money lying around, and thats understandable. But I don't see your point, just because DSM trannys aren't that strong, how does that mean spending the money on a Quaife is a bad idea? True, you have to do supporting mods to the trans, but that goes hand and hand with modding cars. Thats like telling someone not to get too big of a turbo because the "stock" motor can't handle it.

of course its all about preferences. IAMCLP1 apparently has a pretty badass car so i can see and undertsand why he would goi with a quafe lsd me and the origina poster of this thread do not have a care close to his calibur. so a insert for me will be good enuff for now, i dont even have a turbo tranny. my goals for my car is 300-350 hp and in the 13 sec range(if thats feasable for me to do with my goals)

""So is it worth to spend $200 then blow the teeth on your diff. then have to redo your whole tranny? Those are just all inserts…if you put to much power to something it is going to give it has no choice... then something is bound to snap…Only a matter of time""

phantom grip or BMT will not make your tranny explode of you make too much power.. thats stupid.. its not a locker, it can and DOES slip.. it just adds resistance to it.. i make over 350/wheels and my dif isnt blown apart, and i show no mercy..

and you not listing all that crap you SAY you have is not my fault..

"I only paid 800 for the lsd not a grand"

my bad, you only paid 4x as much + press work, not 5..

Im not gonna argue with ya.. Ive been round and round with the "what i have is the best everything else is crap" types too many times.. never goes anywhere.

your setup is the shiznit and perfect for everyone, your face should be on currency..

there..

""Some people like to do things right the first time and go with whats best."

shit, another yayhoo who thinks unless its the most expensive and ABSOLUTLY BEST its crap..

well guess what.. some people dont NEED to have what the quafe offers over the Phantom grip.. bla bla yes the quafe is better but to ALOT of people its just not necessary.. just like not everybody needs a damn FP-RED, sure its a badass turbo, but life can carry on without one..



"just because DSM trannys aren't that strong, how does that mean spending the money on a Quaife is a bad idea?"

a quafe is not a bad idea.. but there isnt much sence in spending that much money and putting it in a stock tranny.. you should prolly look at a TRE or even Shep racing rebuild. that way the trans wnt be a worry point... I mean, your gonna put a LSD in a tranny that is worth less than the LSD? hehe.. thats like buying a set of 1500 race tires for a station wagon..

and like I said.. its all about the bang for the buck.. if you have almost everything else done, then yea pop a quafe in that sucker.. but if your car doesent have lots of mods are are a TON of other places that much money can put that will offer bigger gains/doller than the quafe..


""Well said bro! The thing I hear the most about the Phantom Grip is, that it works for a while, but soon turns your tranny into a pile of mush""

phantom and BMT lsd are virtually identicle.. they dont turn nothing into mush.. they allow you to put enough strain on the driveline to do it yourself though.. so does the quafe..

maby the reason you dont hear about the quafe blowing up trannys is because *MOST* people that have gone far enough to actually need it have already bought a built tranny aswell...

I had a fwd bm tranz with there insert blew the diff threw the case twice. I had full suspension plus bushings and motor mounts. And the most I had was 300 whp. :thumbdown

thats wierd... the diff locked up and broke the case?

jeez, that sucks.. what exactly failed? a spyder gear? or what.. somebody told me the insert came out and broke his tranny but i find that to be impossable.. if you ever install one you know why.. your dif pin's locking pin would have to either have to not be installed (your own fault dummy) or worked its way out (not likley) then the diff pin itself would have to fall out..

the springs cant escape, and even if they wear down there is still no way the diff plates can slide out or anything.. i find it very hard to see how the BMT or Phantom grip could cause a diff to explode unless there was already a weakened part like an overworn spydergear or something to that effect..

im just going by my experence with it which is problem free.. though i am breaking other parts of the tranny... shift fork, shoft rail 2nd gear tooth, and synchros.. but the LSD insert has nothing to do that any of that crap, thats all me baby!!!

ill take my chances with an insert. if i want traction ill save my $800-$1000 for the cost of a true lsd and buy an awd instead

""your one of the only people i've ever heard who recomends a Phantom Grip over a Quaife or Kaaz, but hey...im sure everyone else is wrong.
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i never recommended the phantom over the quafe or kaaz under the reasoning that its better.. shit.. im not retarded... Im just saying if your not full out balls to the wall and just want to stop doing the damn 1 wheel burnouts and get some better traction why turning and accelerating that you prolly dont need to buy a super badass diff like that, your needs can be met buy a less costly part like the BMT or phant lsd.. jeez..