Talon Problems.. need help please..

[WhtEclipse705]

Ok guys.. I really need some help on this one... first some history... i just bought this 1998 talon awd, and i didnt have any problems with it for the first few days. Now, I’m up to my ears in problems.

First, the deck fell into the dash; easy fix... needed a new install kit...
Second, tie rod end about to break... also another easy fix.
Third, a hissing noise when I’m in gear, not fixed yet. And I have no idea what it is.
And last but certainly not least... Electrical problems.

Today, I noticed that one of the dome lights was not working, so like I should have, I went to my work (Napa) and got a replacement bulb. With the car off, I put the new bulb in, and opened the door to check and see that it works... what do you know, it doesnt... actuly neither of them do now. And this is where all my problems begin.

Now, many things are no longer "working"
- Door lock on driver door, works from inside, but the power lock feature with the key is no longer working. It works on the pass door, but not the driver door anymore
- Alarm doesn’t arm at all... or at least the light isnt coming on...
- My check engine light went away (to some, you think cool... but I want it off for the right reason, not because my cars acting up.)
- Door ajar light is not working, neither door, nor trunk will make the light come on... thus why i believe the dome lights arent working. Also why when I leave my lights on, and you open the door, the annoying noise doesn’t come on (again, could be good, but in this case, I don’t want that)

And I’m sure I am forgetting something... oh yes, I checked every fuse I knew of in the car with a meter, and not a single one of them was blown... every fuse that should be installed is, and they are all the correct sizes. I am going to be replacing my battery post terminals tonight, and see if that maybe helps at all.

I am at a complete loss as to why all the sudden a huge chunk of my electronics is not working. At least the important things are, but still, really need any type of advice you guys can give...

 

[GTM]

Ok guys.. I really need some help on this one... first some history... i just bought this 1998 talon awd, and i didnt have any problems with it for the first few days. Now, I'm up to my ears in problems.
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I am at a complete loss as to why all the sudden a huge chunk of my electronics is not working. At least the important things are, but still, really need any type
of advice you guys can give...

You have what professionals call a "laundry list" which frequently comes with a new car owner. Hopefully you at least now know these are VERY high maintanance cars.

I would ask that you select one item and focus on this as being most important and possibly safety related. However, sometimes looking at the most basic simplest problem can lead to solving many of the others, for example the dome light is a straigth forward circuit except it's tied into the alarm. You don't want to know about the alarm circuit for it will cause brain fade as the conditional logic will have you seeing a shrink.

You must have a manual with good schematics, you must have a good 12v test light, it would be helpful if you had a DVOM and a "short finder". You don't have to have a short to use a short finder, it just helps in understanding the logic on a schematic which is not the same as in real life when checking a wiring harness.

Pick one item, bring us up to speed on what you have done or learned.

My guess is you have a blown fuse or fusable link... a fusable link is a piece of resistance wire which takes prolonged overcurrent before it burns out. I and others may not be able to tell you what it is but tell you what it is NOT. These usually are the source of current to several fuses or to a critical unit. As with any diagnosis it is critical to reduce the problem to very basic concepts... yes no, on off. Hopefully we can solve your problem for under $1 and 10 minutes.

Cheers,
GTM

 

[LunarEclips]

- Door lock on driver door, works from inside, but the power lock feature with the key is no longer working. It works on the pass door, but not the driver door anymore

These happen to 2g's all the time...it has something to do with the door lock relay located behind the radio. Its a dealer item.

- Alarm doesn't arm at all... or at least the light isnt coming on...

Has to either do with the brain of the alarm or also, when the relay goes out on the car, it disables any features of your alarm. Fix the door lock problem and it fixes the alarm problem as well.

- My check engine light went away (to some, you think cool... but I want it off for the right reason, not because my cars acting up.)

Try to see if you can pull up the last code from a CEL reader

- Door ajar light is not working, neither door, nor trunk will make the light come on... thus why i believe the dome lights arent working. Also why when I leave my lights on, and you open the door, the annoying noise doesn't come on (again, could be good, but in this case, I don't want that)

Check the door trigger sensor on the doors. They are push button sensors that are a positive trigger. Meaning, it needs to ground to the chassis of the car in order to work. They often become loose and dont work. Thats how to fix those though.


next time ask questions in different threads...thats alot of problems.....

 

[GTM]

These happen to 2g's all the time...it has something to do with the door lock relay located behind the radio. Its a dealer item.
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next time ask questions in different threads...thats alot of problems.....

Super, sounds like good advice since he reported his tape deck fell inward and may have just knocked the relay loose. I'm thinking that he may have shorted some wires and blew a fuse or fusable link in a subpanel with so many electrical circuits affected.

Moreover it may be important to know some of his procedures for he replaced a interior light bulb but didn't report if he had tested the old bulb at the battery before getting a replacement. In the process of changing the bulb he may have shorted the exposed contacts and blew another circuit for now another light doesn't work. The fact that the car is _falling apart_ under his very eyes may be a case of "if it ain't broke don't fix it".

Cheers,
GTM

 

[WhtEclipse705]

Thank you guys.. you have all been alot of help. i have to run to work, but i will update my progress tonight, i did a few things last night.. that didnt help.

 

[WhtEclipse705]

yesterday i was told by a tech at my local mitsu dealer that it could be the clip on the back of the lock on my driver door. it could be off, or just misaligned.. so i took the door panel off, and it wasnt on all the way. so i thought maybe its broken, so i got one from a friend who knew his was working, put it on, and reconnected the bat. terminals and nothing. its still the same. so i am still where i was a few days ago.

i havent checked anything that LunarEclips suggested yet, but i might check some of them this weekend. i know the door switches are good, as i already checked them, and its every door, including the hatch.. does anyone have a diagram of where this door lock relay is located.. and are their 2 different ones, becuase remember the passenger door is working fine. its only the driver door key feature that doesnt work. the inside power locks work fine on both doors.

thanks again guys...

 

[WhtEclipse705]

well... i dont even want to post this.. but stupid me forgot to check the fuses under the yellow thing under the hood. theres 2 10's in there, and when i installed that dome light, i must have blown one somehow... and its all integrated. so after wasteing alot of time, lucky not money, i have it all figured out. so let this be a lesson, i did.. stupid fuses

 

[GTM]

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i must have blown one somehow... and its all integrated. so after wasteing alot of time, lucky not money, i have it all figured out. so let this be a lesson, i did.. stupid fuses

What's the point in me wasting my breath with you people. If you look at the second paragraph of post #4 you will see I told you to check the fuse.for you had probably blown it by shorting out the positive contact to ground when you replaced the bulb.... that was 6 days ago.

Good luck,
GTM

 

[Morel]

Don't hold back man, tell us how you really feel

 

[GTM]

Don't hold back man, tell us how you really feel

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?p=50365833#post50365833

re-read your quip, read the above thread and pay particular attention to #21 and the 6 listed items, I'm sure you can identify with at least one of them. I made no mention of smart mouth which can quickly lead to that little green box turning red if you make a habit of screwing with staff.

 

[WhtEclipse705]

What's the point in me wasting my breath with you people. If you look at the second paragraph of post #4 you will see I told you to check the fuse.for you had probably blown it by shorting out the positive contact to ground when you replaced the bulb.... that was 6 days ago.

Good luck,
GTM

I hope you dont really feel that way, it was a simple mistake that i didnt check. i thought i had checked all the fuses, when infact there the one i had blown was under the yellow thing under the hood. i already admitted i was retarted for not checking them, you dont have to go on sayings your wasting your breath with you people. it was your post that led me to check over every fuse again, and when we found that one, it all made since. just becuase i didnt find it a week ago, doesnt mean i wasnt trying everything sugested by this thread. but oh well, you feel how you feel..


Admin, please delete this post, its pointless to leave open.

 

[GTM]

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you dont have to go on sayings your wasting your breath with you people.
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and when we found that one, it all made since.
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The giveaway is the "we". Asking for help then getting it, then not accepting what was given but listining to other sources was pretty evident. Once you identified both dome lights were now not working I knew you had shorted the contact and blew the fuse. I've been there and done that on customers cars. At that point it was a 10 minute fix without the WE.

Try this, you go to a Doctor and get advice then ask your neighbor/buddy and disregard the Doctor's advice. You are not the first and unfortunately won't be the last who won't listen, consider the thread of 75 posts with them chasing their tail for a month before doing the basics I'd told them by post 6. Some people can just be stubborn and hard headed and it seems like I am wasting my breath. Learn to accept credible information from credible sources including the second most unreasonable people in the world... parents. Who is first you ask...kids.

GTM