Help ASAP!! Problem Accuring After Timing Belt Job..

[STHPERFORMANCE]

I have 1990 talon AWD turbo.
We just got done removing BS, Put new ACT 2600 in and new timing belt and tensionor..

We got everything back together, After putting the timing belt on we try to hand crank over the crank and we are accuring resistance.

We put the clutch on properly with alignment tool and followed all the step by steps on Vfaq for the BS removal...

Is there something we may be overlooking thats accuring this resistance?
Also all the timing marks light up and the two dial holes on the cam gears are facing up.

 

[Defiant]

If you're doing this with the plugs out, re-check your work.

Please use the Spell Check.

 

[STHPERFORMANCE]

If you're doing this with the plugs out, re-check your work.

Please use the Spell Check.

I don't quite understand...what difference would the plugs make?

I had #1 plug out...to check for TDC that is all.

 

[rowlex]

plugs in creates resistance because the pistons will be compressing air against the spark plugs. with the spark plugs out their will be no compression (because the air will be able to freely move out)

 

[STHPERFORMANCE]

plugs in creates resistance because the pistons will be compressing air against the spark plugs. with the spark plugs out their will be no compression (because the air will be able to freely move out)

well plugs are out and it dosnt make and difference

its like the crank stops dead in its tracks pretty much

car is in neutral btw - what could've possibly gone wrong during the clutch install? should i try and disconnect the starter?

 

[STHPERFORMANCE]

i can spin the crank a total of 3/4 of a turn clockwise to counter clockwise before it stops......

 

[rowlex]

well dont pull on it anymore then...your valves are hitting your pistons. Check your timing marks, the two slits(notches) in the cam's should be pointing at each other and should be horizontal with the head I use a straight ruler to check, it should go directly through the notches and right in the middle of the cam sprocket bolts.

 

[STHPERFORMANCE]

well dont pull on it anymore then...your valves are hitting your pistons. Check your timing marks, the two slits(notches) in the cam's should be pointing at each other and should be horizontal with the head I use a straight ruler to check, it should go directly through the notches and right in the middle of the cam sprocket bolts.

Everything is lined up, dial pines are pointed upwards.... Notchs on the gears are pointing to each other as wel....

 

[rowlex]

sorry I dont know then

 

[unior]

ok complete story

i do a complete bs removal on that car put that side of the motor all back together

i cannot remember but i am 90% sure i spun the motor over several times to make sure everythign was cherry after the timing install

in the meantime i toss in an act 2600, new tob, etc on teh other side of the motor



at this point the car is about ready to go and i add coolant - stupid should've added coolant way back when i first installed the new waterpump but the rad was out at that time. so the coolant leaks due to one bolt not being properly torqued on teh waterpump

so i tear it all apart again, replace that gasket at the water pump put it back on - holds water fine

now i go to put the timing belt on and realize i had taken it off this time with the cam gear marks aligned - yet the dowel pins facing down

so i turn the crank 1/4 turn off TDC to move the pistons outta the way and spin the cam gears till the dowel pins are up and marks lined up - put the t belt on and that leaves me at this point

motor will not turn past 3/4 turn

so am i missing something stupid here? is there anyway something is 180 degrees off with the pins up and all the other marks lined up? im at a loss right now, pissed, wanted this car running bad this weekend

 

[wolf20043]

Just a hunch.But if your cams were 180 off,wouldnt that mean your crank was 180 off too.Assuming the timing was right when you took it off.The crank timing mark on My talon is an the crank gear itself and has to rotate 2 times for every 1 turn of the crank.try taking the timing belt off again and turn the crank 1 complete turn and see if it helps.

Mike

 

[slvrstingray]

Try checking the thin metal gaurd between the balance-shaft belt gear and the main timing belt gear. It is piece of metal that has the TDC alignment notch for the crank. If it is on backwards, that could be the cause of your problem.

 

[boostedinaz]

The only thing I can think of is that the valves are hitting the pistons. Take the timming belt all the way off and do it over again. If that doesnt fix it then pull the tranny and see what is causing it from that end. Those are the only things that could be causing it based on what you have told us.

 

[unior]

ok maybe im still confused

to clarify

i took the timing belt off with piston #1 UP yet dowels DOWN

then to fix it i moved the frank 1/4 turn and spun the cam gears to the right position

so the crank is still off right?

how do i go about lining them up correctly again?

 

[boostedinaz]

ok maybe im still confused

to clarify

i took the timing belt off with piston #1 UP yet dowels DOWN

then to fix it i moved the frank 1/4 turn and spun the cam gears to the right position

so the crank is still off right?

how do i go about lining them up correctly again?

Again, take the timming belt ALL THE WAY OFF. Now, realign all the timming marks and be done with it. If you are looking for a quick way to just turn this or that and slip the belt back on, you will just bend all your valves. The quick way is very rarely the best way. Do you want to spend a few minutes doing the belt again, or a month to have the head rebuilt and reinstalled?

 

[unior]

Again, take the timming belt ALL THE WAY OFF. Now, realign all the timming marks and be done with it. If you are looking for a quick way to just turn this or that and slip the belt back on, you will just bend all your valves. The quick way is very rarely the best way. Do you want to spend a few minutes doing the belt again, or a month to have the head rebuilt and reinstalled?

yeah well i took the belt off 2-3 times last night and tried realigned the marks already and it did the same shit every time

im not sure if i tried turning the crank alone without the belt on - but i will try that after work this evening

 

[rowlex]

yeah well i took the belt off 2-3 times last night and tried realigned the marks already and it did the same shit every time

im not sure if i tried turning the crank alone without the belt on - but i will try that after work this evening

If all your timing marks are lined up correctly, I would also take the valve cover off and check to make sure all the valves are still there...

 

[unior]

If all your timing marks are lined up correctly, I would also take the valve cover off and check to make sure all the valves are still there...

well, one did grow legs the other day .... so it may have walked away j/k

i was told to check the retainers out and see if one is sticking open

valve cover is off so i'll be able to check that soon enough .... just waiting for 5 PM

if all else fails get piss drunk right?

 

[boostedinaz]

if all else fails get piss drunk right?

 

[mysticfire6602]

which notches are you using to align the cams? on my 1g there are 2 sets of notches on the cam gears. the ones to use are slightly larger than the other ones and have some white surrounding them, the other set of notches are small slits exactly 180 degrees apart from the real ones.

 

[boostedinaz]

which notches are you using to align the cams? on my 1g there are 2 sets of notches on the cam gears. the ones to use are slightly larger than the other ones and have some white surrounding them, the other set of notches are small slits exactly 180 degrees apart from the real ones.

My thought also. When you align the T belt you need to have both INNER marks lighned up with the dowels in the cams pointing up. If that is how you have been doing it then check under the VC, or pull the tranny and chekc that out.

 

[unior]

which notches are you using to align the cams? on my 1g there are 2 sets of notches on the cam gears. the ones to use are slightly larger than the other ones and have some white surrounding them, the other set of notches are small slits exactly 180 degrees apart from the real ones.

yes yes rtwp the dowels are up i am using the right marks

it seems like i am down to trans or stuck valve

7 minutes and counting and im outta work

 

[unior]

Alright so i slid the tbelt off. TDC the cams and tryed to spin teh crank. Same story.

All the valve springs and retainers look* normal to me.

Now what could possbily be wrong with my brand new act 2600 clutch kit install?

Unless there is still a valve stuck and I am to naive to realize it??

arghhh

 

[taylorspl]

You need to move the cams with the crank because they are hitting each other if you only spin the crank. Dowel pins go up.

 

[rowlex]

You need to move the cams with the crank because they are hitting each other if you only spin the crank. Dowel pins go up.

Not if the cams are at TDC.