Timing Belt Parts

[Flamebo1313]

Got the car (91 Eagle Talon Non turbo) and it wasn't running. The owners thought the timing was off, but i never got the full story. Well the ECU was bad and i now that i have spark and fuel it still wont turn over. I replaced the timing belt once, I was sure i lined everything up, but i went cheap. All i bought were some new belts. If i got the timing off just a little would it not start. Also i have been looking a little bit at the Vfaq.com for help. Any one know how much the special tool is? But the most important question, where might i find Timing Belt Kit for a reasonable price? Im really poor. Thanks

 

[rowlex]

Got the car (91 Eagle Talon Non turbo) and it wasn't running. The owners thought the timing was off, but i never got the full story. Well the ECU was bad and i now that i have spark and fuel it still wont turn over. I replaced the timing belt once, I was sure i lined everything up, but i went cheap. All i bought were some new belts. If i got the timing off just a little would it not start. Also i have been looking a little bit at the Vfaq.com for help. Any one know how much the special tool is? But the most important question, where might i find Timing Belt Kit for a reasonable price? Im really poor. Thanks

When you say it wont turn over, do you mean the engine physically wont turn? Or it cranks but wont start up? How did you check for spark?

Also, how many miles does the car have on it? It's probably not too incredibly important to replace every timing related part. If the bearings in the pulleys still feel good they are reusable. The auto-tensioner is important, the manual says to make sure it is not leaking and its ok to re-use if its not leaking. I am not to familiar with the 1G n/t timing area but if it has balance shafts replace that belt. On my car the previous owner installed a napa belt at 65K and im now at 100K and beat the crap out of my car it's still holding up.

 

[Flamebo1313]

The car turns over but wont start. I checked spark with a spark pllug tester that plugs into the end of one of the spark plug wires. And it shows a nice thick spark. There are 148,000. I think i did the timing wrong because everyonce in a while the top of the timing belt becomes a little loose. I was wondering what parts I should get? And estimated prices or places to buy the parts would be nice to know. I knew how to get the piston to TDC but i never figured out how to tell if it was on a compression stroke, and does this matter if the belt is off, and I just line everything up again. I never touched the Timing belt that went around the water pump, could that keep the car from starting if that was off???? Thanks

 

[kalla]

I think i did the timing wrong because everyonce in a while the top of the timing belt becomes a little loose.

If you have reason to even think that the timing belt isn't installed right, why not double check it and save yourself the possibility of a head full of bent valves?

 

[1bad92awd]

If you have reason to even think that the timing belt isn't installed right, why not double check it and save yourself the possibility of a head full of bent valves?

I would do the same thing, have someone double check everything for you, im sure bent valves are a lot more costly to fix rather than something external

 

[Flamebo1313]

I think my post didn't come up. o well Ill post again. I plan on re-timing the car but i was hoping to get some of these questions answered first.

 

[98EclipseTurbo]

You can make your own tension screw tool from a pre 95 battery screw or buy a piece of rod ,tap and die set, thread a bolt at the end for your wrench and save yourself 43 $ something around there at mororsport.com . And if parts like water pump,autotensioner ,idler pulley, TB tensnsioner, BB tensioner ,Crank shaft pulley were not changed yet at 120k interval it would be a good preventive maintance. Vfaq has the tensioner screw instructions
and there is also another part specal tensioner that i read isnt nessecary , Correct me if
I'm wrong here guys .

 

[Defiant]

I think i did the timing wrong because everyonce in a while the top of the timing belt becomes a little loose.

If you mean when stopped, that part's normal.

I knew how to get the piston to TDC but i never figured out how to tell if it was on a compression stroke,

If the timing marks are lined up, it's TDC #1. This ain't no FIAT that you build off #3 (and don't think that bit of spaghetti genius didn't drive a few of us mad).

and does this matter if the belt is off, and I just line everything up again.

That'll bend valves.

I never touched the Timing belt that went around the water pump, could that keep the car from starting if that was off?

Uhhh.... yeah. That IS the timing belt, the other one's for the front balance shaft.
Have you done a compression check yet? I think your valves are already bent.

 

[rowlex]

The car turns over but wont start. I checked spark with a spark pllug tester that plugs into the end of one of the spark plug wires. And it shows a nice thick spark. There are 148,000. I think i did the timing wrong because everyonce in a while the top of the timing belt becomes a little loose. I was wondering what parts I should get? And estimated prices or places to buy the parts would be nice to know. I knew how to get the piston to TDC but i never figured out how to tell if it was on a compression stroke, and does this matter if the belt is off, and I just line everything up again. I never touched the Timing belt that went around the water pump, could that keep the car from starting if that was off???? Thanks

sometimes the belt will be a little loose at the top. Its just the way the camshafts stop, sometimes they stop in a way so the lobes relieve the tension inbetween the cam sprockets. It would not matter if its on a compression stroke as long as you line the timing marks up. No the water pump belt cannot stop the car from starting. It has nothing to do with timing.

 

[Flamebo1313]

do you thtink there is anything else that could keep the car from starting. Ive got spark and fuel. If I have bent valves wouldn't I have felt the pistons hitting the valves while manually turning the crankshaft. Im just not sure, Im sure I lined everything up.l its just that I didn't replace the auto tensionerr and think that it might have gotten the belt off a little. Could my starter be bad, and how could I tell.

 

[FireyIce01]

If it's cranking, your starter's fine.

I'd get a compression tester hooked up, see what your compression numbers are, then if that's good, and you know you're getting good spark, I would check fuel... how do you know that you're getting fuel? Are the plugs wet? Because if you're getting fuel at all, you should have *something* even if it runs really poorly, unless your 180 out of time...

 

[rowlex]

Check your upper/lower timing marks if possible.

Other than that I would make sure your MAS (airflow stuff is plugged in).

 

[Flamebo1313]

Ok, i bought a compression tester and here are my readings 0 0 0 0. Yep no compression what so ever. Does this mean all my valves are bent? Is there anyway that my timing is just off, or my valves are sticking or something other then bad news? I used to have compression, not sure how much but it wan't zero, and the car hasn't ran since. all ive done is try to turn her over.

 

[rowlex]

check your timing marks, if they are lined up still pull the head and replace the valves. If they are not lined up, line them up try the comp test again. I'd be surprised if your valves are OK.

 

[Flamebo1313]

Well, even if my valves were bent, wouldn't i get some sort of compression. And I haven't heard anything that sounds like pistons hitting valves. Would cranking the car destroy the valves? cause i haven't had it running just tried cranking it.

 

[rowlex]

Well, even if my valves were bent, wouldn't i get some sort of compression. And I haven't heard anything that sounds like pistons hitting valves. Would cranking the car destroy the valves? cause i haven't had it running just tried cranking it.

You might get some compression but it would be very low. So that will help determine.. Yes, cranking will bend valves, if the timing is off..

 

[Defiant]

Well, even if my valves were bent, wouldn't i get some sort of compression.

No. None.

And I haven't heard anything that sounds like pistons hitting valves. Would cranking the car destroy the valves?

Yes.

cause i haven't had it running just tried cranking it.

You won't hear the valves getting bent over the sound of the starter motor.

Refer to the last sentence in Post #8.

Seeya in the Head Replacement thread.