Help Quick!!

[DSM MAN]

I just put in a new clutch, and then i went to bleed it, everything went fine. But when i go to let the clutch out slowly it grabs to quick to be driveable. It has a couple of inches of play at the bottom then it just grabs real hard. I need my car tomorrow and i have about 2 hours of daylight left. What can I do thanks.

 

[DSM MAN]

I think i made it sound different. It doest just grab real hard, it has the 3 or so inches of really soft play. Then when i start to let it out, when it gets to the end of the play it lifts up kinda quick and then the clutch grabs real hard and i stall most of the time. Kinda hard to explain but i really need help. Thanks.

 

[oldman]

I think i made it sound different. It doest just grab real hard, it has the 3 or so inches of really soft play. Then when i start to let it out, when it gets to the end of the play it lifts up kinda quick and then the clutch grabs real hard and i stall most of the time. Kinda hard to explain but i really need help. Thanks.

You need to adjust the push rod on the master cylnder after a clutch install.

 

[DSM MAN]

Im using pliers but i just cannot get a hold on it. Its not budging. Anyone got any tips??

 

[oldman]

Im using pliers but i just cannot get a hold on it. Its not budging. Anyone got any tips??

You have to losen the lock nut first. Once losen, the rod should be turned easily with a plier.

 

[DSM MAN]

I cant really get to the locking nut to see what size it is. Did you get it off with a wrench or a socket? And what size it?

 

[oldman]

I cant really get to the locking nut to see what size it is. Did you get it off with a wrench or a socket? And what size it?

I used an open end wrench, 8 or 10mm I believe, feel the nut with my hand put the wrench on and turn it clock wise. Just be patient, it will come loose.

 

[DSM MAN]

Well it got to dark to be able to see, so I will give it another shot tomorrow, thanks for the help.

 

[oldman]

Sure thing. One more note, 1/4 turn with the pushrod will change a lot. Do 1/4 turns at a time, test drive and adjust more if needed.

 

[karbon]

It's 12mm on a 2g. Not sure i it is different on a 1g or not.

 

[DSM MAN]

Ya, it was 12mm on my car too. The only thing was, im not sure i bled it right. I turned it about 2 1/2 turns and it got a little better. But it is still very hard to start off or shift. When you push in on the clutch it is fine until you get down to the bottom 2-3inches and it is extremely soft. I cant get used to it. So when bleed the clutch does the reservoir cap need to be on. Because i had it off, and i dont think i went through that much fluid?

 

[karbon]

No you can have it on or off. I always take it off just for the hell of it. If it's soft the bottom 2-3 inches, it probably means you have the disengagement set too high. Unscrew (CCW) it back a quarter turn and see if the "stiff part" of it lowers. It should. You definately want SOME slack in the bottom so you can be sure you're 100% disengaged. That way you don't tear up your 2nd gear synchros when you're shifting in a "spirited" manner one day and neglect to go all the way to the floor. It's nice to have that little buffer there.

 

[oldman]

Ya, it was 12mm on my car too. The only thing was, im not sure i bled it right. I turned it about 2 1/2 turns and it got a little better. But it is still very hard to start off or shift. When you push in on the clutch it is fine until you get down to the bottom 2-3inches and it is extremely soft. I cant get used to it. So when bleed the clutch does the reservoir cap need to be on. Because i had it off, and i dont think i went through that much fluid?

How did you bleed it?

 

[DSM MAN]

I bled it with the cap off. Now my alternator is fried so i have to wait for that. I know that i need a couple inches of play at the bottom, thats not my problem. Its at the bottom there is the last couple inches, the pedal pressure feels really soft compared to the rest of the way down. I want it to be the way it was, which was same pressure all the way to the floor. Its making it really hard to take off from a stop and its kinda hard to shift. Anybody know what i could maybe do/ or have done wrong? Thanks.

 

[oldman]

I bled it with the cap off. Now my alternator is fried so i have to wait for that. I know that i need a couple inches of play at the bottom, thats not my problem. Its at the bottom there is the last couple inches, the pedal pressure feels really soft compared to the rest of the way down. I want it to be the way it was, which was same pressure all the way to the floor. Its making it really hard to take off from a stop and its kinda hard to shift. Anybody know what i could maybe do/ or have done wrong? Thanks.

Did you attach a hose to the bleeder valve and submerg it in fresh fluid? I gave the link to how to properly bleed in the other thread, just follow that and you should be fine. Also, what clutch did you install? Check your pedal assembly for freeplay since you have a 1g.

 

[DSM MAN]

where do you get that size of a tube? Im still pretty much a newb at a lot of things, so how do i check that pedal assembly? And I installed a dakin clutch, i didnt have enough money for the 2100 or 2600 so ya. Thanks.

 

[oldman]

where do you get that size of a tube? Im still pretty much a newb at a lot of things, so how do i check that pedal assembly? And I installed a dakin clutch, i didnt have enough money for the 2100 or 2600 so ya. Thanks.

1. I used a 4mm hose, bring the socket you'll be using to the store with you, the socket needs to fit over the hose.

2. Step on the pedal and let it come up by itself, pull it with you hand to see if it will come up more. That's freeplay.

 

[DSM MAN]

Ok thanks, do you think that "soft" 2-3 inches on the bottom is because it needs to be adjusted at the master, or it just has some air in the lines?

 

[oldman]

Ok thanks, do you think that "soft" 2-3 inches on the bottom is because it needs to be adjusted at the master, or it just has some air in the lines?

It's more likely air or you have pedal freeplay so you're not generating enough pressure in the system to work a heavier clutch.

 

[DSM MAN]

Thanks for all the help you have given me, My car is being towed in a little bit to go get a new alternator because its done (under warranty ) so i wont be able to mess with it till like tuesday. But thanks. Ill give it a shot when i get it back.

 

[DSM MAN]

Ok, I just got my car back tonight. Anyway, I asked the mechanic about adjusting it, and he said you cant adjust them. Is that true? I wish i could explain better what it is doing.

All I can say is that I am used to the pedal feel to have the same amount of pressure on your foot all the way to the floor. But since I put this clutch in, it has been different. Its fine until you are about 3 inches off the floor and then its softer compared to the rest of the pedal feel. This makes it hard for me to take off from a stop and its a bit rouch shifting. It feels like I am learning how to drive again or something.

So do you think just bleeding it again would work, adjusting the master cyl. rod. (already have done about 2 1/2 turns.), or is it something else? I need some more input guys im stumped

 

[DSM MAN]

Just thought I would let you guys know that I had time to bleed my clutch the "proper" way . And got in the car and whala it was fine. Thanks for all the help. Dsmtuners Kick Ass.