GVR-4: What setup would get me down the quarter the quickest and from a roll?

[blkchr91]

Hey all,

Just wondering between the s16g, e316g, and 16g with Evo X compressor wheel, which one would get me down the quarter the quickest and also from a roll on the highway.

I know that this is probably too close to call, but I think the e316g would take the cake.

Willing to turn the boost up as high as the turbo will support on pump to meet these idealisms.

I know that my goals are probably contradictory but still think the e316g would meet them.

My car is a heavier GVR-4 and has the shorter GVR-4 first gear which might make a small difference.

Which one would do it?

Thanks

[bryanwheat]

Realistically i would just step up to a 20g for the same price.

[blkchr91]

Understood, thought of it but really looking on info for all 3. Really just a fun/technical post.

The issue that I hold with the 20g is that I have the money to do it, just unwilling to do it because I don't want to swap out my Wally 190 and my FIC 650s.

Want to stay within a budget.

Originally Posted by bryanwheat

Realistically i would just step up to a 20g for the same price.

[josh408]

How about a 68HTA? The mother of 16G's.

[black_gst]

I believe your question belongs here

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/hang...-i-expect.html

[blkchr91]

Since the post is part technical, it has every right to belong here. If you can't genuinely contribute to my posts, then please don't post in my threads.

Originally Posted by black_gst

I believe your question belongs here

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/hang...-i-expect.html

[re-rx7]

20g. Easy.

[black_gst]

Sorry I must have missed the technical part of your post...

[blkchr91]

Is it clear yet, or would you like me to point it out for you?

Originally Posted by black_gst

Sorry I must have missed the technical part of your post...

Thanks so far....again just talking about the 16g family here....will check into the 68HTA.

[black_gst]

Originally Posted by blkchr91

Is it clear yet, or would you like me to point it out for you?

oh, please point out a single "technical" detail...

this is bench racing,

you are simply trying to reword,"How fast will a 16g make my car in the 1/4?"

if you were getting technical you would be asking which turbo flows the most Lbs/Min or what CM hotside should I run.

[LOLVTEC]

Originally Posted by blkchr91

Understood, thought of it but really looking on info for all 3. Really just a fun/technical post.

The issue that I hold with the 20g is that I have the money to do it, just unwilling to do it because I don't want to swap out my Wally 190 and my FIC 650s.

Want to stay within a budget.

Thats not going to cut it.

[blkchr91]

If this is bench racing as you state, then why haven't the moderators closed this thread specifically for bench racing in the wrong forum? I might be vague, but vagueness does not preclude the technical portion of this post.

My modifications are in my profile along with the size of my injectors, the amount of boost that I am willing to run, the type of vehicle, and the final drive are all important factors. If you didn't wish to look at my profile, then some of those elements were mentioned.

Originally Posted by black_gst

oh, please point out a single "technical" detail...

this is bench racing,

you are simply trying to reword,"How fast will a 16g make my car in the 1/4?"

if you were getting technical you would be asking which turbo flows the most Lbs/Min or what CM hotside should I run.

What specifically is not going to cut it?

Originally Posted by LOLVTEC

Thats not going to cut it.

[re-rx7]

Originally Posted by blkchr91

If this is bench racing as you state, then why haven't the moderators closed this thread specifically for bench racing in the wrong forum? I might be vague, but vagueness does not preclude the technical portion of this post.

My modifications are in my profile along with the size of my injectors, the amount of boost that I am willing to run, the type of vehicle, and the final drive are all important factors. If you didn't wish to look at my profile, then some of those elements were mentioned.



What specifically is not going to cut it?

You could answer your own question by searching and comparing flow rates and just general turbo info available in the search function. Im gna guessthe reason this thread is still going is because they may not have seen it yet. Being an ass is not the way to get info anyway.
There are so many variables to your question. What kind of fuel is a big one. Also boost is a measurment of restriction. So that tells us nothing. Each turbo flows different.

[blkchr91]

My post is legitimate and those of you who are doing name calling such as yourself are doing a great job. If other Other posters were able to provide data then getting in or out of the thread. If the data provided was outside of the scope of this conversation e.g. 20g, I politely let them know. This is the newbie forum, I am specifically allowed to ask questions in this forum without being told to search as per the TOS. You are telling me to search...here we go again. This thread will get closed but it may or may not be closed for bench racing. If it is, then so be it. If you have a question about fuel being run then just ask.

Originally Posted by re-rx7

You could answer your own question by searching and comparing flow rates and just general turbo info available in the search function. Im gna guessthe reason this thread is still going is because they may not have seen it yet. Being an ass is not the way to get info anyway.
There are so many variables to your question. What kind of fuel is a big one. Also boost is a measurment of restriction. So that tells us nothing. Each turbo flows different.

[re-rx7]

Thats what we are saying this question has been asked a million times. Oh well as with my previous statement. Get a 20g that way you wont be on the ragged edge of a 16g.

[blkchr91]

Per the TOS as it applies to this forum, I can ask this question 1,000,001 times. If you are tired of these types of posts, maybe don't read them. So now the problem is that I am asking a question that has been asked many times before? I thought it was that I am bench racing?

I refuse to get a 20g. I am cheap in some areas and so are other members of this community by full admission. The question pertains to the turbos I initially mentioned. Not putting down a 20g, if 16g(s) were not ok for such a large number of people, then they probably would not be producing them any more. Additionally, no one could ever make decent power on them or get a timeslip worthy of discussing in any forum. So far, this is not the case.

Originally Posted by re-rx7

Thats what we are saying this question has been asked a million times. Oh well as with my previous statement. Get a 20g that way you wont be on the ragged edge of a 16g.

[re-rx7]

Originally Posted by blkchr91

Per the TOS as it applies to this forum, I can ask this question 1,000,001 times. If you are tired of these types of posts, maybe don't read them. So now the problem is that I am asking a question that has been asked many times before? I thought it was that I am bench racing?

I refuse to get a 20g. I am cheap in some areas and so are other members of this community by full admission. The question pertains to the turbos I initially mentioned. Not putting down a 20g, if 16g(s) were not ok for such a large number of people, then they probably would not be producing them any more. Additionally, no one could ever make decent power on them or get a timeslip worthy of discussing in any forum. So far, this is not the case.

A E316g is damn near 1100 right now. I never said they couldnt make gd power I said for what your wanting.

[blkchr91]

No, sending my existing blown turbo off to a builder to have it rebuilt to become one of the above 3 turbos effectively. Far cheaper than $1100.

What I am wanting is a comparison of the 3 under this circumstance/goal.

Originally Posted by re-rx7

A E316g is damn near 1100 right now. I never said they couldnt make gd power I said for what your wanting.

[black_gst]

someone with a Mod list like your

Ported s16G Turbo, ETS FMIC & Piping, XBC MBC, Custom 2.5" tubular SS O2 housing with 40mm TiAL wastegate, turbo back Buschur 2.5" mandrel bent SS exhaust and CATCO cat, 1G DSM shifter with 2G DSM shift knob, Autometer Vacuum/Boost Gauge, Nordskog oil pressure gauge, custom turbo oil return line, FRAM airhog air filter, Mighty Max oil filter housing for relocated oil filter, M1 15w-50, HIR 9011 and 9012 bulbs, fog lamp delete, Warlboro 190 lph pump, Fuel Pump Rewire, FIC 650 injectors, Alarm with turbo timer and remote start built in, Innovate LC-1 Wideband O2 with guage, Triple gauge pod below radio, removed insulation under carpet, vented carbon fiber hood and carbon fiber hood pins.

Engine Management:
Socketed EPROM ECU with Ostrich and ROM emulator, Stutterbox and Check Engine shift light, using RT Tunerpro for tuning. Palm iiic w/mmcd hardwired into car (charges battery too)

Drivetrain Modifications:
JDM GVR4 trans from Noyan with MT90-MTL cocktail, XTD Stage 3 Clutch and Lightweight Flywheel, SS Clutch line, 3 bolt LSD Rear with Redline Heavyweight Shockproof.

Suspension Modifications:
Sport Edition F2 (Fox 2) (aka Kosei Fox 2) 16 x 7" wheels (20.8 lbs each) with 225/50 16 Kumho Ecsta Supra 712 Tires, KYB GR2 struts, Urethane bushings all around, front and rear, AWS delete, Welded Rear Trailing Arms, 1G DSM steering rack, stock 15 inch rims with Blizzak Rev01's for winter, RMDSM rear swaybar, Brembo Front Brake Rotors with MetalMaster Pads all the way around, SS brake lines, speed bleeders, aligned to 1g specs

I would think you would know and have a little more sense then the questions your asking

since you have a small 16g why dont you take it to the track, post up a slip and then we can tell you what would improve your times

EDIT:

well now that you have said you blew your turbo, I guess this wont happen

stick with a small 16G its the cheapest and like you said your are cheap

[camfast]

All of the three turbos can get the job done because they flow similar. Your limiting factor are the 650's since it will run out of fuel rather quick and also depends what fuel you running (e85 or 93).

[blkchr91]

You are only supporting my point. I may know some things and I may not know others. I am effectively a "Newbie" in some areas. Modding cars is just like anything in real life. I may be skilled or know alot in one area, but may not know very much in another. I could be a doctor that works on hearts but know very little about feet. If you were to ask a heart doctor to look at your feet, they would tell you to get lost and you would understand why.

Additionally, just because my car has alot of mods doesn't mean that I put them on there.

Up for going to the track at some point but my car is down (turbo blown) and want to meet one of the 3 listed turbos would lead me so success. I am not above admitting that I would appreciate some positive direction in that regard.

Car is dead 0.00 would be my time.

Originally Posted by black_gst

someone with a Mod list like your

Ported s16G Turbo, ETS FMIC & Piping, XBC MBC, Custom 2.5" tubular SS O2 housing with 40mm TiAL wastegate, turbo back Buschur 2.5" mandrel bent SS exhaust and CATCO cat, 1G DSM shifter with 2G DSM shift knob, Autometer Vacuum/Boost Gauge, Nordskog oil pressure gauge, custom turbo oil return line, FRAM airhog air filter, Mighty Max oil filter housing for relocated oil filter, M1 15w-50, HIR 9011 and 9012 bulbs, fog lamp delete, Warlboro 190 lph pump, Fuel Pump Rewire, FIC 650 injectors, Alarm with turbo timer and remote start built in, Innovate LC-1 Wideband O2 with guage, Triple gauge pod below radio, removed insulation under carpet, vented carbon fiber hood and carbon fiber hood pins.

Engine Management:
Socketed EPROM ECU with Ostrich and ROM emulator, Stutterbox and Check Engine shift light, using RT Tunerpro for tuning. Palm iiic w/mmcd hardwired into car (charges battery too)

Drivetrain Modifications:
JDM GVR4 trans from Noyan with MT90-MTL cocktail, XTD Stage 3 Clutch and Lightweight Flywheel, SS Clutch line, 3 bolt LSD Rear with Redline Heavyweight Shockproof.

Suspension Modifications:
Sport Edition F2 (Fox 2) (aka Kosei Fox 2) 16 x 7" wheels (20.8 lbs each) with 225/50 16 Kumho Ecsta Supra 712 Tires, KYB GR2 struts, Urethane bushings all around, front and rear, AWS delete, Welded Rear Trailing Arms, 1G DSM steering rack, stock 15 inch rims with Blizzak Rev01's for winter, RMDSM rear swaybar, Brembo Front Brake Rotors with MetalMaster Pads all the way around, SS brake lines, speed bleeders, aligned to 1g specs

I would think you would know and have a little more sense then the questions your asking

since you have a small 16g why dont you take it to the track, post up a slip and then we can tell you what would improve your times

Useful thoughts, you are right about the 650s....plan is exclusively pump/93. Was close to going to 1000cc injectors but went to my local e85 station and they went out of business. Next closest location is 60 miles away.

Originally Posted by camfast

All of the three turbos can get the job done because they flow similar. Your limiting factor are the 650's since it will run out of fuel rather quick and also depends what fuel you running (e85 or 93).

[black_gst]

honest advice... rebuild your 16G its cheap and a big or Evo 16G wont be worth the extra cost for your current setup

[blkchr91]

Had that nagging feeling. In this case the turbo is damaged beyond what a rebuild kit could do so I have to send it off. Would you still go s16g to meet these objectives in this case and would you still avoid the other 2. As the other poster said, fuel may be a limitation (if anything with the e316g) but I have read enough to have "faith" that my FIC 650s will get me through from the enormous amount of threads that I have read through.

Originally Posted by black_gst

honest advice... rebuild your 16G its cheap and a big or Evo 16G wont be worth the extra cost for your current setup

[black_gst]

Yes just stick with it.

[blkchr91]

Ok, thank you for your help.

Originally Posted by black_gst

Yes just stick with it.

[bcjjones]

Hey man just to chime in, what I plan on doing might work for you as well. I dont think your opposed to running a 20g if its cost effective? If you are then just disregard this but some freelancers on here can rebuild and convert your 16g into 20g for around 300 bucks

[JusMX141]

Originally Posted by blkchr91

Hey all,

Just wondering between the s16g, e316g, and 16g with Evo X compressor wheel, which one would get me down the quarter the quickest and also from a roll on the highway.

The one which makes the most airflow. That would be the Evo III 16G.

Drag racing and highway pulls have no regard to spool....so obviously the compressor with the highest airflow potential would be the clear winner.

[blkchr91]

Well thanks, but it is not cost effective for me. Add in the cost of bigger injectors and a 255 lph fuel pump if you don't have these items already and it is not cost effective to me. I am trying to do more with less because I find that just as fun.

Originally Posted by bcjjones

Hey man just to chime in, what I plan on doing might work for you as well. I dont think your opposed to running a 20g if its cost effective? If you are then just disregard this but some freelancers on here can rebuild and convert your 16g into 20g for around 300 bucks

Justin,

Thanks for your thoughts...could you please clarify this part...

"Drag racing and highway pulls have no regard to spool" What about when you take off during a drag race? Doesn't spool matter then?

Originally Posted by JusMX141

The one which makes the most airflow. That would be the Evo III 16G.

Drag racing and highway pulls have no regard to spool....so obviously the compressor with the highest airflow potential would be the clear winner.

[Colt4G63 also]

I run my e316g on FIC 650s to around 28-30 psi with 93 pump gas and water-meth injection. My base fuel pressure is almost 50 psi, but my IDCs never go above 87-90% with an AFR of around 10.5-1.

I think you can get enough out of your injectors; you may want a 255HP pump though.

[blkchr91]

You are my hero! Great data....actually have a 255 pump handy but that needing a regulator (overruning it) or not thing has been dizzying me for years. Thanks for the IDC info...I guess that I can run it on the FIC 650s and see if I need to swap the fuel pump when I check my IDC.

Originally Posted by Colt4G63 also

I run my e316g on FIC 650s to around 28-30 psi with 93 pump gas and water-meth injection. My base fuel pressure is almost 50 psi, but my IDCs never go above 87-90% with an AFR of around 10.5-1.

I think you can get enough out of your injectors; you may want a 255HP pump though.