TD06SL2 60-1?'s

[allmine104]

Has anybody had a combination like this? I know the Fp red is close but how will the sl2 compare?it will be with a 3" cover and 7cm turbine housing
thanks

[JusMX141]

A clipped TD06H turbine could barely handle the airflow a 60-1 compressor could generate on the old-school Red. A smaller, non-Mitsu TD06SL2 turbine would be a terrible idea.

[allmine104]

alright how about a 20g wheel in a 3" cover with a td06sl2 in a 7cm housing?

[e85_4g63]

How much power are you trying to make?

[allmine104]

eh 400-450.........

[tron2119]

With the right mods you can hit those numbers with a TD05H 20g. Even possible with a Evo 3 16G with some good tuning and e85. No need to get all fancy when there are proven turbos with quicker spool up already making those numbers. E85 will make it much easier to achieve your goals if its available in your area.

[bastarddsm]

Let me lay this option on ya.

1. Pick up a Holset HY35 for $125
2. Get knock off Turbonetics mani for $180
3. Have mani flange machined at a 1* angle to get some block clearance
4. Have a o2 housing fabbed up for $100
5. Use the internal gate
6. Enjoy a cheaper faster spooling alternative that's more durable, and can make more power.

Ya pickin' up what I'm putting down?

[allmine104]

thanks ya basterd but i already have a tubular mitsu flanged mani and hard parts to build this turbo td06sl2turbine wheel and 7cm housing...was wantin to know what to expect...oh and no e85 in my area

[bastarddsm]

Sell it.

4" inlet turbo's drop panties.

You like dropped panties, right?

People who run 3" inlet turbo's like to stare at ####.
7cm = ### porn.
You don't like that stuff right?

Mitsu flanged manifolds are like fat girls. Not even fun when your hammered and noone is watching.

Time to step up to the plate and put some man pants on.

[pj91gsx]

Im curious what the Tdo6sl2 20g would be like. I have built 2 and im waiting to hear what they will put down hp wise. I build a lot of unique turbos, theres more than 1 way to build a turbo setup to put down the HP you want to see.

[bastarddsm]

Originally Posted by pj91gsx

Im curious what the Tdo6sl2 20g would be like. I have built 2 and im waiting to hear what they will put down hp wise. I build a lot of unique turbos, theres more than 1 way to build a turbo setup to put down the HP you want to see.

My guess is they are slow. There is a reason FP makes a FP HTA Green, and not a TD06SL-20G. The new turbine wheel (TD06H4 or somthing) makes better use of the exhaust energy ( meaning it runs the compressor harder with less drive pressure), and the new HTA compressors takes less power to move the same air.

It's 2012, why do you kids want to keep playing with 1970's turbo technology when you can spend less and use 2000's tech.

Get with the times, put on the big boy pants and step up to a 3052, Green, HX/HY35, S256.

[Jun3bug]

Originally Posted by bastarddsm

My guess is they are slow. There is a reason FP makes a FP HTA Green, and not a TD06SL-20G. The new turbine wheel (TD06H4 or somthing) makes better use of the exhaust energy ( meaning it runs the compressor harder with less drive pressure), and the new HTA compressors takes less power to move the same air.

It's 2012, why do you kids want to keep playing with 1970's turbo technology when you can spend less and use 2000's tech.

Get with the times, put on the big boy pants and step up to a 3052, Green, HX/HY35, S256.

Lol well put, I have my pants

[allmine104]

alright true story this is my first dsm build...i came from hondas my last build was a delsol with a fully built 2.0(erl sleeved block 5 point girdle,weiscos,eagle rods,supertech springs&retainers,street port and polish,hondatas300,externally gated HX35....put down 448@18 on a mustang dyno and had severe traction issues so i know what a holset is capable of ya basterd in just tryn to take baby steps on my first build so take it easy on me guy....my girl drops her panties every night don t need a car to do that...wanna drop Z06 vett owners jaws like my delsol used to(rolling burnouts were fun at 90 btw
thanks guys

[pj91gsx]

Originally Posted by bastarddsm

My guess is they are slow. There is a reason FP makes a FP HTA Green, and not a TD06SL-20G. The new turbine wheel (TD06H4 or somthing) makes better use of the exhaust energy ( meaning it runs the compressor harder with less drive pressure), and the new HTA compressors takes less power to move the same air.

It's 2012, why do you kids want to keep playing with 1970's turbo technology when you can spend less and use 2000's tech.

Get with the times, put on the big boy pants and step up to a 3052, Green, HX/HY35, S256.

I like holsets, but MHI turbos are an easy install and are capable if reaching the desired power with the appropriate setup. You try to make it seem easy to go to a holset but it isnt, you never mentioned anything about the maf going haywire from using a 4in intake pipe with a stock maf. Just because FP doesnt build turbos a certain way doesnt mean anything. Everyone has their own way of building turbos. You will see Comp with their monster housings, and Midwest Turbo connection with there rediculously clipped turbine wheels. Theres a post on this forum where a guy made 780 whp on a stock appearing turbine housing.

billet tdo5 turbos

[bastarddsm]

Originally Posted by pj91gsx

I like holsets, but MHI turbos are an easy install and are capable if reaching the desired power with the appropriate setup. You try to make it seem easy to go to a holset but it isnt, you never mentioned anything about the maf going haywire from using a 4in intake pipe with a stock maf. Just because FP doesnt build turbos a certain way doesnt mean anything. Everyone has their own way of building turbos. You will see Comp with their monster housings, and Midwest Turbo connection with there rediculously clipped turbine wheels. Theres a post on this forum where a guy made 780 whp on a stock appearing turbine housing.

billet tdo5 turbos

lol, I'd like to see an average guy go 130 in the 1/4 on pump with a 20g. Very few people have done it on a RED, and thats got a monster 60mm inducer.

And 4" turbo making the maf go crazy? what are you smoking? You have other issues. I've run a 1g maf right on the turbo using a rubber sewer reducer. Worked fine except it over ran at like 11psi, because your actually moving some air. Hell I was running a 2g maf hooked up with some dryer vent for a while with no problems.

[herms99gst]

Originally Posted by bastarddsm

sell it.

4" inlet turbo's drop panties.

You like dropped panties, right?

People who run 3" inlet turbo's like to stare at ####.
7cm = ### porn.
You don't like that stuff right?

Mitsu flanged manifolds are like fat girls. Not even fun when your hammered and noone is watching.

Time to step up to the plate and put some man pants on.

rofl!!!

[pj91gsx]

Originally Posted by bastarddsm

lol, I'd like to see an average guy go 130 in the 1/4 on pump with a 20g. Very few people have done it on a RED, and thats got a monster 60mm inducer.

And 4" turbo making the maf go crazy? what are you smoking? You have other issues. I've run a 1g maf right on the turbo using a rubber sewer reducer. Worked fine except it over ran at like 11psi, because your actually moving some air. Hell I was running a 2g maf hooked up with some dryer vent for a while with no problems.

You have to use a reducer, exactly, your loosing spool there. You could convert to speed density to get rid of the reducer, but you act like its a "cheap upgrade and easy upgrade."

[red1993gsallmt]

Originally Posted by bastarddsm

Sell it.

4" inlet turbo's drop panties.

You like dropped panties, right?

People who run 3" inlet turbo's like to stare at ####.
7cm = ### porn.
You don't like that stuff right?

Mitsu flanged manifolds are like fat girls. Not even fun when your hammered and noone is watching.

Time to step up to the plate and put some man pants on.

so true, just like a moped

[red1993gsallmt]

[Putting a maf right against a turbo never works, even back in my 20g days, ive gone 10.4 with my 2g maf on my hx40 4" inlet dont talk about somthing you dont know about. I hate false info, yo need at LEAST 12in between trbo and maf, every turbo surges a lilltle

[allmine104]

Alright I ended getting my centersection machined for a non mhi 20g wheel (unswept blades) in a 3" compressor housing... td06sl2 turbine wheel in a machined 7cm housing with 34mm flapper upgrade hopn for some good air flow numbers

[bastarddsm]

What? Don't know what I'm talking about? Ha. It certainly didn't affect the 1g maf I had on there at the time. Obviously, it was goofy during bov events, but thats to be expected if its not recirculated.

At the end of the day, all that counts is having a 4" inlet turbo does not cause the maf to go "haywire"

And I never mentioned anything about spool. I stated that it didn't affect the maf. However I didn't notice a spool change when I went to sd.

Originally Posted by allmine104

hopn for some good air flow numbers

Why? Hope for power.

Originally Posted by pj91gsx

but you act like its a "cheap upgrade and easy upgrade."

Considering, a $125 HY35 is good to make almost 600whp, I'd say it's a damn cheap upgrade. When anything comparable is at least 500used, and most would be a FP mani anyway.

Seriously, why #### with 1970's tech when you can have 2000's tech for just a little work, and a few hundred dollars.

And don't even bring that maf shit back. If your looking at running a red or a "20g hybrid stage eleventybillion super hta td099sl68 frank level 4000" you are well past a 1g maf and should be on a 2g at least if not sd.

Further more, a mhi housed hybrid should probably be fed off the OFH anyway, making one less thing you need for a big boy turbo.

So to recap, to run a holset all that you need that is extra from a bolt on shit box is:
1. HY35
2. Tnetics cast mani ( most would buy a fp mani, so this really doesn't count)
3. make an O2 housing.
That's it!

[pj91gsx]

Originally Posted by bastarddsm

Considering, a $125 HY35 is good to make almost 600whp, I'd say it's a damn cheap upgrade. When anything comparable is at least 500used, and most would be a FP mani anyway.

Seriously, why #### with 1970's tech when you can have 2000's tech for just a little work, and a few hundred dollars.

And don't even bring that maf shit back. If your looking at running a red or a "20g hybrid stage eleventybillion super hta td099sl68 frank level 4000" you are well past a 1g maf and should be on a 2g at least if not sd.

Further more, a mhi housed hybrid should probably be fed off the OFH anyway, making one less thing you need for a big boy turbo.

So to recap, to run a holset all that you need that is extra from a bolt on shit box is:
1. HY35
2. Tnetics cast mani ( most would buy a fp mani, so this really doesn't count)
3. make an O2 housing.
That's it!

Where are you finding the holsets so cheap? I paid 300$ for mine. I have an hy35 on my bmw, but machined it to the hx35 turbine. Im not allowed to bring up the Maf thing, because im right? From your profile pic, looks like you have never done this turbo build.

[bastarddsm]

Originally Posted by pj91gsx

Where are you finding the holsets so cheap? I paid 300$ for mine. I have an hy35 on my bmw, but machined it to the hx35 turbine. Im not allowed to bring up the Maf thing, because im right? From your profile pic, looks like you have never done this turbo build.

cumminsforum.com Jesus christ, Ebay isn't the only online marketplace. Why would you mod a HY for an hx turbine when the hy makes more efficent use of the exhaust energy?

Your not allowed to bring maf's up because its not an issue. If your at the point where you need a bigger turbo than a 14b you should already be on a 2g maf anyway. Last I checked none of the stock dsm intake pipes hook to anything bigger than a 16g. So why is a 4" inlet turbo so hard to hook a maf to? Buy a fp pipe or make somthing.

What turbo build are you talking about that I've never done?

turboing my n/t back in 2002, before you even knew what a dsm was?

Or AWD swapping a fwd n/t?

Or my 2 different holset setups, that have both gone in the 11's?

What haven't I done besides try to build a turbo out of junk, that is going to be laggy and under performing?

Like I said in the begining, the op's idea would have been great 10 years ago, but now we have modern shit for cheap. why force under performing shit to work?


Theres my HY35 setup. Internal gate and all. Rock solid 26psi right now.



Oh, and there's my T/S header I made for my HX35 setup I ran before the HY.

[red1993gsallmt]

Originally Posted by bastarddsm

What? Don't know what I'm talking about? Ha. It certainly didn't affect the 1g maf I had on there at the time. Obviously, it was goofy during bov events, but thats to be expected if its not recirculated.

At the end of the day, all that counts is having a 4" inlet turbo does not cause the maf to go "haywire"

And I never mentioned anything about spool. I stated that it didn't affect the maf. However I didn't notice a spool change when I went to sd.



Why? Hope for power.



Considering, a $125 HY35 is good to make almost 600whp, I'd say it's a damn cheap upgrade. When anything comparable is at least 500used, and most would be a FP mani anyway.

Seriously, why #### with 1970's tech when you can have 2000's tech for just a little work, and a few hundred dollars.

And don't even bring that maf shit back. If your looking at running a red or a "20g hybrid stage eleventybillion super hta td099sl68 frank level 4000" you are well past a 1g maf and should be on a 2g at least if not sd.

Further more, a mhi housed hybrid should probably be fed off the OFH anyway, making one less thing you need for a big boy turbo.

So to recap, to run a holset all that you need that is extra from a bolt on shit box is:
1. HY35
2. Tnetics cast mani ( most would buy a fp mani, so this really doesn't count)
3. make an O2 housing.
That's it!

Sorry, thought you said a 4" inlet wouldent work with any maf. I mis read

[gprix1]

Originally Posted by pj91gsx

Im curious what the Tdo6sl2 20g would be like. I have built 2 and im waiting to hear what they will put down hp wise. I build a lot of unique turbos, theres more than 1 way to build a turbo setup to put down the HP you want to see.

Austin,
I have one of the 3" inlet TD06SL2 20g's you built that has the billet 20g wheel. I ran out of fuel right away and had some other issue when I first installed it but I've changed injectors and fixed the other issues and now finally, yesterday I made a clean pull with this turbo.

Now this is only at wastegate pressure of 17psi and the MAP and BoostEst are very close so the flow number of 43.8 lb/m should be pretty accurate.
Those PTE 880's are already at 84% DC on 91 pump but I'm also running very rich at the moment so that will probably be fine. I do like the way things are looking so far. I can't wait to tune it more and start turning up the boost. I'm very curious as to what flow numbers I'll be seeing at something like 22psi. This thing is going to freakin' rip.