Methanol & Cryo2

[92PandaTalonTSI]

Ok guys. I have a few questions about all this stuff. I've done my research about both and basically understand the Cryo2 system, but still a little confused about the Methanol Injection. I saw tons of write-ups on here about questions about different systems and problems but I'm just looking for basic info. Exactly what do you have to do to install the methanol injection system. Should I have DSMLink before I use it? Do you have to do any other type of tuning with this system? I know that it lets you run more boost safer. Is this because it cools down the intake temps? Is it installed before or after the sensor and what sensors do you need to control this? And the Cryo2 ststem can be used in conjuction with this as well right? One is external (Cryo2) and one is internal (Methanol). To me it seems like the cars intake temps will be the lowest possible if all these components would be installed. Cryo2 Fuel Cooler and Intercooler Sprayer and Methanol Injection. And would using Pulstar Plugs help with any of the burning more efficiently? Anyone on here have both? And how do you run the Cryo2 to constantly cool the fuel? Confusing to me. Thanks for any help guys. I threw in a bunch of pics to try and give some visuals.

 

[ramsack]

Put money into actual things that add power but don't take up weight and cost to refill. OEM plugs or the variants of colder heat ranges are the best for our car. So much above is just snake oil.

 

[92PandaTalonTSI]

Im not worried about the money aspect, I work 7 days a week at 2 jobs and do side car repairs for extra cash. I just want basic information. I'll spend my money on what I want to get. Thank you for the spark plug "information" but is there any proof that our cars run worse on these plugs. From all the reviews I saw about the Pulstar Plugs they help not hurt. Besides the 2hp gains which I don't really care about they seem to make the car run more efficiently. "Efficiency is the key to success in everything" -ECON101 Professor

 

[ramsack]

Your socialist economy class has nothing to do with how a spark plug operates. It's well known that products like those plugs are snake oil, don't last as long, cost more, and are just a pure waste of money. But it sounds like you want to needlessly spend money, so go for it.

 

[92PandaTalonTSI]

Do you have any real information besides polotical jargon? It was simply a joke and actually is very tue when it comes to anything. I am willing to spend a few extra bucks if it will make the car run better/safer. People run bettr oil on each oil change because its better for the car. I can easily do oil changes for $20 but prefer to spend $50 for my Mobil1 package. I'm looking for info, not a economic advisor. Thanks Matthew Lesko.

 

[ramsack]

Most people run "better" oil because it's some lube shop salesman's job to sell them that shit. Racers use expensive oil when it's sponsored and free/cheap. As I said before, buy what you want to buy, but don't complain when it's shit because you didn't listen to others and then do your own research after they told you it's crap. You're an adult. Do your own research. We're not here to spoon feed you information.

You might start looking into the concept and FACT that a spark either ignites fuel or it doesn't. People here are running hundreds of HP over stock on completely stock ignition systems, and the only difference in the plugs are usually just a colder heat range or a non-protruding tip...still the same series of plugs from NGK, though.

I didn't bring up economics, so don't dish out yuppie talk if you can't handle what you might get back.

 

[92PandaTalonTSI]

I try to find info time and time again. Like stated in my OP, I was simply asking for info cause I couldn't really find any info on this site. I've come to this site and researched many things and built my whole car without asking one question. I know how to research and do it frequently but have ran out of ways to look. I'm simply asking if anyone has run these set-ups beore with any sort of knowledge on how it turned out. Everytime I'm on this site it's "don't do it because my .02" So if anyone else is out there that has any info on the topic please repond. I'm not trying to fight with you man. But your one answer without any sort of proof is nothing compared to the many reviews about the products and how they work. If you have any links that supports your views about these products that I couldn't find in my extensive research process please post them. And I'm really not worried that much about the plugs but more about the Cryo2 system and the Methanol kit. Sorry to push any buttons.

 

[ramsack]

Reviews really mean nothing unless it's on a place like this where people can write a whole story about what they're reviewing. I wouldn't even put it past a company to hire people to write positive reviews at retailers.

You're going to gain much more by cooling the intercooler than anything else. Cooling methanol and fuel are just added weight that will likely outweigh the power gain. It's one of these things that show up selectively on a dyno as a few HP for people who know nothing about margins of error.

Here's proof of gimmick:

Pulse plugs incorporate a pulse circuit, which stores incoming electrical energy from the ignition system and releases the stored energy in a powerful pulse of power. Instead of 50 watts of peak power typical of all spark plugs, pulse plugs deliver up to 1 million watts of peak power.

Do you really think your alternator is putting out a million watts of power, or that any wire found on a car is going to transport that much power? Things in the megawatt ranges are nuke plants, lightning, aircraft carriers, and data centers. They are basically trying to claim that a literal lightning bolt is happening in your engine. Again, I already stated, and it's a well-known fact that a fuel mixture either ignites or it doesn't. They are also a gimmick because they claim to store the energy from a spark, and then somehow amplify it. Impossible. Timing would be off even if that was true. Our ignition system works by the coils storing energy between sparks and let the energy go when the input voltage is actually dropped.

There are so many spurious and pseudoscientific (I hate the term, but it's duly apt here) claims coming from the company and even more ridiculous claims from people who don't understand shit about cars.

 

[92PandaTalonTSI]

Ok thanks, thats what I was looking for. Yea the plug thing seems insane now that you mention what you did. So Intercooler is the way to go and Methanol is kinda just a gimmick then as well? Thanks for the info though. Squashed

smh why cryo?

The other guy just said that the intercooler sprayer would be good. A lot of people "freeze" their intercoolers. Thats actually a proven that it helps.

 

[ramsack]

No, just cooling the methanol is a gimmick. It's a good thing to inject.

 

[92PandaTalonTSI]

No, just cooling the methanol is a gimmick. It's a good thing to inject.

I wasn't planning on cooling the methanol . Like in the pic, I was just gonna cool the fuel and intercooler, and add the methanol injection kit to the car, therefore cooling internally and externally. Sorry if I wasn't clear about that before. The fuel cooler is simple to install and only adds a few ounces ofweight. Its the same size as an inline oil filter for the turbo feed lines.I figured if your running a line to the intercooler, why not just throw a fuel cooler in there too, you know? But if thats pointless, then yes, I won't spend the extra however many dollars on it if it does absolutely nothing.

 

[silvreclips]

In my opinion it has to do with what you do with the car and also where you live. I run meth on my car mainly because here in the south when its 100+ outside the car is a dog even at 20+psi. There is a noticable power loss when its that hot out. Running meth keeps the IATs down even in the middle of summer and keeps the car pulling hard year around. If the northern regions it may not be needed.

 

[ramsack]

Better fuel is more worth the money than relying on an entire system to modify properties of a fuel. If the fuel was injected far back, like where the intercooler is, it might have a real effect, but just think about how short of a route the fuel vapor takes. Just vaporizing removes a crap load of heat from the fuel. Making it cooler also makes it harder to vaporize.

 

[92PandaTalonTSI]

In my opinion it has to do with what you do with the car and also where you live. I run meth on my car mainly because here in the south when its 100+ outside the car is a dog even at 20+psi. There is a noticable power loss when its that hot out. Running meth keeps the IATs down even in the middle of summer and keeps the car pulling hard year around. If the northern regions it may not be needed.

Ok thanks, yea I wasn't sure exactly why people installed them around where I live. The one DSM Expert here in my area recommends it to everyone because a cool engine is a happy engine, but I'm sure my car would be ok without it, but was just trying to get info on it. Thanks for your reply.

Better fuel is more worth the money than relying on an entire system to modify properties of a fuel. If the fuel was injected far back, like where the intercooler is, it might have a real effect, but just think about how short of a route the fuel vapor takes. Just vaporizing removes a crap load of heat from the fuel. Making it cooler also makes it harder to vaporize.

Ok thanks