please check my timing marks

[Yellow94]

I have a 91 2.0 turbo talon, doing the timing belt ### the belt broke and dadada. I installed the new timing belt and I can not get the cam gears to align, pics below. Are my timing marks close enough or do they have to align perfect.

Also you notice the oil pump sprocket if off point, I did the balancer shaft delete. In the haynes manual the reason the oil pump sprocket had to be aligned was so the balancer shaft would be in phase. Since I dont have the balancer shafts am i ok with the alignment of the oil pump sprockes.

thanks
Orlie

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

I have a 91 2.0 turbo talon, doing the timing belt ### the belt broke and dadada. I installed the new timing belt and I can not get the cam gears to align, pics below. Are my timing marks close enough or do they have to align perfect.

Also you notice the oil pump sprocket if off point, I did the balancer shaft delete. In the haynes manual the reason the oil pump sprocket had to be aligned was so the balancer shaft would be in phase. Since I dont have the balancer shafts am i ok with the alignment of the oil pump sprockes.

thanks
Orlie

they have to be 100% perfect. No if, and or buts about it. You need to redo your timing.

 

[Jeff99GS]

Your timing is definately off. Take the belt off and redo the job. You need to get some of thos black paper clamps. Set the Timing on the cam gears then clamp the belt in place on both gears.
The gears have a tendency to not want to stay at TDC when the tension is off them.

I put a wrench on each cam gear center nut. then I lined the marks up and ziptied the wrenchs to each other. This held the marks together while I lined up the lower half. The clamps will help hold the belt in place!

When you're done you should be able to put a ruler across all 4 timing marks on the cam gears. It has to be level with the head surface.

 

[dsmnightracer]

yes redo your timing and get the clips and your alignment of the oil pump sprocke is fine mine is like that!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

[Yellow94]

I did the timing belt again hoe does this look.

later
Orlie

 

[ali]

everything looks good

 

[64_Frankenstein]

I did the timing belt again hoe does this look.

later
Orlie

Looks good to me.

 

[daren_p]

Looks good to me from the pics but its always hard to be sure 100%. Just make sure dowl pins on the cam gears are at 12. Make sure a straight edge lines up perfectly across the timing marks & the center of the cam gear bolt heads. Should also all be inline with the head surface. The check I like the best is using a metal straight edge ruler & lay it flat on the head again the backside of the cam gears. I found this the easiest way to tell 100% that the marks were correct as its hard to get down low enough to get a direct line of sight from the side of the car to the cam gears (well atleast on a 2g)

 

[Yellow94]

No matter how i set the cam gears i can not get the straight edge to line up with all 4 marks on the cam gears(lining up the straight edge with the center of the cam bolts). Both cam dowels are at 12aclock. Im not sure what Im doing wrong. When i use the straight edge across the cam gears the outer marks are about half a tooth off from the inner marks on the cam gears. I tried installing the timing belt again and i keep coming up with the same result. Any help will help.

later
Orlie

 

[92AWDHX40]

Looks great to me, just did mine with a buddy a few months ago.

 

[DarthBulk]

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/cyl...olved-cam-gear-timing-mark-clarification.html

Read this thread. It will answer your question. You will NEVER get all 4 marks on the cam gears to line up perfectly, that is a myth. The marks are NOT 180 degrees apart on the cam gears. Just the inner ones are important. With the inner ones lined up with the edge of the cylinder head, the outer ones should be slightly above the cylinder head edge (rotated 3 degrees up). It looks like yours are below it.

 

[JusMX141]

Your adjustment at the tensioner is either too tight or too loose....I can't recall which will move the marks below and which will move the marks above center.

I had a similar event occur in the other direction (marks were BELOW centerline) when I first began doing DSM timing belts back when I didn't have the right tools for the job. My tensioner tool was a battery bolt, and my eccentric tool was a prybar. Needless to say, I bought the right tools before I did another timing belt.

Redo your adjustment at the tensioner with the eccentric pulley and the problem will most likely correct itself.

 

[talon_frost]

just wanted to add that you have a really clean engine bay...lots of work there

 

[Auto RS T]

The timing line goes through the middle marks on the cam gears and the center of the cam bolts. Your timing appears to be good, could you post a pic with the ruler across correctly?

 

[Yellow94]

Your adjustment at the tensioner is either too tight or too loose....I can't recall which will move the marks below and which will move the marks above center.

I had a similar event occur in the other direction (marks were BELOW centerline) when I first began doing DSM timing belts back when I didn't have the right tools for the job. My tensioner tool was a battery bolt, and my eccentric tool was a prybar. Needless to say, I bought the right tools before I did another timing belt.

Redo your adjustment at the tensioner with the eccentric pulley and the problem will most likely correct itself.

I dont even have the tensioner set yet, the pin is still in. I only have the timing mark aligned. Im gonna set the cam gears so the inner marks are level with the surface of the head.


My engine bay was full of oil, spend a whole day cleaning it.

later
Orlie

 

[Yellow94]

The other pics were the wrong ones, good thing didn't load naked pics of my chick.

later
Orlie

 

[DarthBulk]

That looks about right. The center marks are lined up (with the surface of the head, I assume...can't tell from the pic) and the outer marks are slightly HIGHER than the head, and not in line with the inner marks. That is how it should be.

 

[JusMX141]

I dont even have the tensioner set yet, the pin is still in. I only have the timing mark aligned. Im gonna set the cam gears so the inner marks are level with the surface of the head.

That's the whole problem. Once you put tension on the belt, it'll pull the inner marks upward, forcing the outer marks downward, and everything will align. If you set the two inner marks high (as they were in your first set of pics) you'll find the alignment to be one tooth off once you properly tension the belt. This is because the exhaust cam gear will be retarded by one tooth.

Set the gears so the inner marks align, then torque the eccentric properly and pull the pin. When your tensioner is set with the proper gap, you'll come to find all four cam gear marks will align.