blown engine oem or upgrade?

[1k95gsx]

so my mechanic said my engine is blown sugests that with all the metal shavings in i should have it exchanged i want more horse power than stock i can get a used one of ebay for 1500 or should i save up and get a 400 to 500 horse one with a bigger turbo for some where around 7 or 8 grand my uncle might get me a 93 5.7 tune port vette for 4 grand and pay him back i work in a resturaunt so season is hitting and ill be make 1500 a week or maybe more thats what im leaning towards i just want some reasurance and what data logger should i get for that amount of hp?

 

[nyTalonTsi]

Periods and spelling bro please. First off your original motor was a 7-bolt and those on ebay will give

you problems, or you buy the so called "JDM" vr-4 6 bolts which you pay too much for. You can cut

that 7 or 8 grand down by more then a half. You can build a good motor for roughly around 3500 or

even less, that will get you to 400-500hp+. Its up to you whether you want to build the GSX or get the

Vette. Once you buy that Vette you really can't do much to tune them up. They get boring fast. I know

first hand, i had a Camero. GL

 

[GSX93DSM]

You can buy a stock jdm motor or go buy a good used 6 bolt off someone. Stock rebuild will easy hold 400hp. If you have the money order the jdm 6 bolt.

 

[KPEclipse]

theres blocks for sale already built in the vendors. you can probably get the same thing from the same vendor when it comes to a head. there you go...basically a lightly built motor...good for over 400 horse, one purchase.

 

[wont_luz]

Go to slowboyracing.com and get a built longblock from them. Can't go wrong.

 

[1k95gsx]

The 7-8 k is for prebuilt longblock off of a vendor, and i added in the price for a turbo ect. Oh and by the way just cause im from naples it doesn't mean im not broke as a joke i just get money from the rich smucks that eat in the grouper house i work in. But my dad said my uncle lost a ton of money in the stock market so that vette seems like its out. What will it take to convert my car to a 6 bolt engine? I've read that its and easy thing to do. Does anyone possably got one for sale im tring to get some funds up if you can get me a price i can get u a eta on when ill have enough cash.

 

[nlzn]

http://www.magnusmotorsports.com/tech/1gina2g.pdf

 

[dsmusmc]

Iv seen 6 bolts with over 200k on them and no problem. If there rebuilt theres really no worry on miles same as a 7 bolt if its done right. For 7-8 grand you can buy a build motor and trans for that price. If your more of a DIY kind of guy look around. Winters almost here and theres so many sites with bottom end rebuilds kits on sale. As for the A/T it will need rebuilt for the much power. Iv seen some that cant even handle 300 hp there alot weaker the are M/T.

 

[1k95gsx]

i went to the FFWD web site my goal is around 500 horses i want to pull up to someone and laugh leave and thats that, they quote their engines from 6 to 8 grand, going on the low side i need a new turbo thats roughly 7 gs? grand for turbo exaust manifold and maybe fmic. Then the new logging data softwear/interface if im not mistaken another grand? i dont want to spend that much i am a diy i can build/rebuild engines just not to good at the whole diagonosis part. Heck my dad made me rebuild a 4 clinder colt for my 12th birthday it drove to ny from naples then 100+ milles a day for 3 years till we lost track of it. If you guys think its better to buy internals and get a machine shop to bore the cylinder walls ill look into prices around town to do the machine work, but it is a rich town and there is no "winter" time here in fact winter is the busy part of the year.

 

[under50k226]

The prices you're talking about seem ridiculously high for a 400-500bhp car, IMO. I agree with PIMking, those numbers are ridiculous, if you have money like that you can get way more than that much bhp, you'd have to be savvy and not go just tossing money at things. Oh another thing, you should like start reading all the sites, and what ppl have done to get that much awhp, it really doesn't seem like it takes that kinda cash to do it.

My two pennies.

 

[dsm-onster]

A stock rebuilt 6-bolt can handle 500whp and be a daily driver. Too many do it for it not to be a choice. We got my brothers 6bolt for under 300. And rebuilt it in my backyard. This was an n/t motor so it had no oil squirters and weak n/t pistons. The machine shop pressed in turbo pistons otu of his other blown motor for $40. and didn't worry about the oil squirters. If we took the block to the shop to put in the oil squirters from his blown motor, it would have costed about $50 for the work.

You have a 2g. If your pistons are fine, then you can have the 6-bolt rods machined for the 2g pistons and put them in a 6bolt motor. Or if your crank is ok, you can just get 6 bolt rods you can get 6-bolt rods and have them machined on both ends for the 2g pistons and 7bolt block in your car now. If you have a bad crank. You can run an n/t 7bolt block and have 6bolt rod fit to the crank and 2g pistons. Or you can use an n/t 6bolt block and just do machining on the pistons. . . All these combinations retain the 6bolt rods. Which are good for 500whp with frequent abuse for 100K. All of the options are under $500.

 

[1k95gsx]

So im thinking about rebuilding my engine but stock 1g rods are $169 apeice so im thinking about a stroker kit. They are the same as a rebuild kit with better piston rods ect. If i go that route im guessing i need like 1000cc injectors, port my head, new plugs and wires and the gt35 turbo and a FMIC. anything i miss? i want to redo the tranny also.

 

[dsmnightracer]

it is all what you want, day to day driver. or a drag car? and how much money you want to spend. i did the 6 bolt swap to my car, i did a slowboyracing stage 2 short block, ross racing piston and h-rods. comeit head gasket, arp head studs, than used my 2g head, had is all done up valve job racing valves, crower valve springs and titanmue retaners. crower stage 2 cams ported. greddy timming belt and skunk2 adjustable cam gears. by the time i got done i had over $6,000, than used a t3/t4 turbo.

if you want to do the swap buy a jdm motor and than spend the money on all the bolt on's turbo, exhaust system, boost controler, dsm link, intake system.

 

[timloomis]

Buy used rods, nothing wrong with that. Shop around though man, you can get a good built longblock for under 3 grand in most cases.

 

[1whitegsx]

I agree with the buying a 6 bolt and building it or buying a built short/long block. you'll pay a lot more for an already built motor from a shop though.

 

[dsm-onster]

So im thinking about rebuilding my engine but stock 1g rods are $169 apeice so im thinking about a stroker kit. They are the same as a rebuild kit with better piston rods ect. If i go that route im guessing i need like 1000cc injectors, port my head, new plugs and wires and the gt35 turbo and a FMIC. anything i miss? i want to redo the tranny also.

No, no, no. Used rods in good shape can be had for $50 for all four. This is all you need hardware-wise. They are already heatcycled . And you can swap your 2g pistons to them for about $150 worth of machining at the most. Search for "1g rods" and "2g pistons" at the same time. They are a proven affordable combo for 500whp durability. Once the rods have been cut and the pistons itted, the block can be rebuilt like stock and handle 500whp worth of frequent abuse.

Don't get in over your head with out setting your goals.

 

[webconnect]

Am I missing something? I am spending $1,200 for eagle rods, wiseco pistons, acl bearings, arp bolts, timing belt kit, bse, gasket kit, moly lube.

I still need to get an engine stand and my crank turned. However, even then, lets say $1,400. 5 months ago I barely knew how to change my oil. So obviously I never worked on a motor, but I have help from friends who have, a torque wrench, and a chilton's manual.

A 700-800 hp setup for $1,400. Where are these kids getting 6k,8k figures from?

 

[dsm-onster]

Supra forums.

 

[gsxonthebeach]

Am I missing something? I am spending $1,200 for eagle rods, wiseco pistons, acl bearings, arp bolts, timing belt kit, bse, gasket kit, moly lube.

I still need to get an engine stand and my crank turned. However, even then, lets say $1,400. 5 months ago I barely knew how to change my oil. So obviously I never worked on a motor, but I have help from friends who have, a torque wrench, and a chilton's manual.

A 700-800 hp setup for $1,400. Where are these kids getting 6k,8k figures from?

They are getting them from shops, of course. The main ingredients, like the rods, pistons, and the block can be purchased for under $3,000 if you shop around, that's obvious. But, like me, some drivers don't have garage space, or the proper tools to build an engine in peace. Getting slapped with $1-2,000 fees of having an engine removed and installed is a price some have to pay, due to lack of equipment. Sure, you can look down on people who pay to have these things done, when they can be valuable lessons to learn about their cars, but time and space and lack of help all need to be considered before tearing apart your (in my case) daily driver. Just my 2 cents.

 

[dsm-onster]

Thast is true. 15K poured into a 10K 1998 eagle talon will net FAR better times than a 60K z06. And it still will be just as streetable.

 

[Boosted_out]

Am I missing something? I am spending $1,200 for eagle rods, wiseco pistons, acl bearings, arp bolts, timing belt kit, bse, gasket kit, moly lube.

I still need to get an engine stand and my crank turned. However, even then, lets say $1,400. 5 months ago I barely knew how to change my oil. So obviously I never worked on a motor, but I have help from friends who have, a torque wrench, and a chilton's manual.

A 700-800 hp setup for $1,400. Where are these kids getting 6k,8k figures from?

THats the same thing I am doing, but when I was first started searching, after adding up a built long block and turbo and all other parts needed it does come out to 6-8grand.WTF

You just have to read alot and do alot of searching. Thank god I did

 

[dsm-onster]

Well. I'll be building a long rod stroker and That is not my budget even for the 2.4 block. I will be assembling my own parts. It's not that hard. The crank is oem and checked by the shop for $60. The rod bolts are torqued to spec and the rods are sent to the shop for a line hone $50. Instead of the headache of resurfacing over and over, I'll be tapping out the 7bolt head bolt holes to a 6bolt diameter. Many get away with 6bolt l19s and a composite gasket at VERY high cylinder pressures $100. And the rest is materials. I have a decent block, so a ball hone is all that's neccesary.

The block walls are easy to measure yourself. The crank and rods are measured and prepaired. It comes down to torquespecs and assembly lube. There are several non-blueprinted motors running rediculous amounts of power.

 

[1k95gsx]

Well i should be getting the car back in a few days and the next day i have off i want to pull the engine so i can get a good look at it. If the walls are scorn i will have to get it bored out correct? Then if im not mistaken i will need larger pistons so if i have to do that would it make sense to buy the 2.0 or the 2.3-2.4 stroker kit more bang for my buck? i will need a new turbo no matter what running the stock one now. I can get a big 16g and mannifold for 350 but i dont think that will be enough for the power i want either. Also i was thinking about a standalone going to orlando to get it tuned just to get away from stock ecu. Then comes in the tranny the guys out of orlando say they can get a/t s faster than a m/t dont know how true it is. But anyhow mine has maybe 149k on it so a rebuild is a must or am i wrong in this asumsion also. Will the stock intake/head be enough for 500 whp. What size injectors will i need? I had a big price tag on it because all the little things add up to big money and they want big money for longblocks everywhere i looked.

If i misspelled anything sorry cant dl any spell checking apps its my moms compter and im to lazy to find a dictionary

 

[dsm-onster]

You have a 1995. Most likely you have an eprom ecu. Your stock ecu has the potential of handling 100lb/hr injectors and idle like stock, nitrous control, basic antilag, higher than stock rev limit, full time and fuel control. You can either hack (reprogram) the eprom yourself. Or buy dsmlink and have it done for you. Dsmlink is about half of the cost of AEM EMS. Something tells me you wouldn't want to study hex code and reflash an eeprom yourself. And dsmlink has been proven to be more than enough for +600whp builds.