I've modded the basics where do i go from here?

[beniger]

Hey guys you probably get this all the time, either way, i'm at a stand still. I've been working the graveyard at work so i have tons of time to read the forums right now but i've been reading and don't know where to go. I have the basic bolt ons downpipe, hi-flo cat, 3inch exhaust cut out, hack and slashed can w/k-n filter, mbc and boost gauge. haven't done the piping looking into it. I'm looking at getting more than 15 lbs of boost. But am broke . now i've been reading and everything from here seems to be more tuning than anything. Now which way should i go, i'm going to open my cpu and see if it's eprom this weekend. i've been looking at ds-map, dsm-link ,afc, eventually my goal is about 400lb/ft tq at the wheel and whatever hp that comes with some where in the high 3's. what do you guys suggest. and i'm probably putting on a 2g mas soon as well hit me up thanks
beat that bi*** *edit*did i mention i pay my own tuition so i have limited fund allocated to the cause*

 

[nytescion]

you could prepare to do fuel upgrades. You're goiung to need atleast a 190 fuel pump and 660 injectors. Or start with some type of tuning tool. Ofcourse you wouldn't be able to install the fuel upgrades until you got something to tune with. Atleast you shouldn't. Afc/Dsmchip would be easiest route(cheaper too). But there is also dsmlink which will probably be suggested more than a few times here. All depends on how involved you want to be in the tuning process.

 

[beniger]

i was look at the dsm chip and that seems to be a good route i've also seen great things with dsm link. i also am going to rewire because i haven't done that yet either

 

[beniger]

i was look at the dsm chip and that seems to be a good route i've also seen great things with dsm link. i also am going to rewire the pump because i haven't done that either. Is there any programs or software to allow me to connect my laptop to it?

 

[fatherbubble]

Get a warbro 255HP an dont worry about the rewire. The 255 can flow strong to about 700+ horses without a rewire. Besides look up online a the difference of voltage between the 10g wire an the stock wire you wont find much of a voltage drop. For what the pump is going to pull.

 

[beniger]

Is there any software i can use and can i connect my laptop to it i rather use this than a palm

 

[DWR-DSM]

Like nytescion said, start looking into some fuel upgrades and something to tune your car with

 

[beniger]

i understand that, and i will, but what type of logging software is best for when i'm tuning?
thanks

 

[Splitpi]

Get a warbro 255HP an dont worry about the rewire. The 255 can flow strong to about 700+ horses without a rewire. Besides look up online a the difference of voltage between the 10g wire an the stock wire you wont find much of a voltage drop. For what the pump is going to pull.

I disagree.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/274827-fuelpump-pte-880cc.html#post151322863

Flow rate decreases in relation to the pressure increase. Since we are forced induction cars, its a safe bet that pressure will increase which causes flow rate to decrease. Also the rewire can provide as much as 12% increase in flow ... which is a considerable amount. So its extremely worth while to do such a cheap mod as a rewire.... ~$35-$40.

 

[Hideki]

So you want at least 400 horsepower and have a limited budget... That describes 99% of DSM'ers you'll need bigger injectors, fuel pump and FPR, something to tune your larger injectors, at least a 50-trim, cams, and more stuff I'm forgetting about but all of it isn't exactly cheap. Worst case scenario you could always buy some of these parts used I guess to save some scratch. but once you've hit the 400 mark you're gonna need at least a new clutch, hopefully better brakes, and some $ to rebuild your aging 4G63 when you grenade it

 

[beniger]

i have already put a clutch in aftermarket, i have an extra set of cv's incase they bust on me, i have some goodyear short track specials in my garage(anyone want to trade?)take preventive care often ...want 400lb/tq not hp. Is the 50 trim streetable? want all around not just high end. Also i want to see if i can use my laptop to tune instead of some logger. although the gameboy tuner thing looks cool. and i do plan to rewire my fuel pump do i need a fpr with a walbro 190? i'm sure it's recommened but is it neccesary? i still need to open up my ecu to see if it's eprom *edit* i found logging software and the emulator for a palm. Now is there any programs i can use to tune, Dsm link, Ds map, any one know of anything else that will tune not just log?

 

[Splitpi]

i have already put a clutch in aftermarket, i have an extra set of cv's incase they bust on me, i have some goodyear short track specials in my garage(anyone want to trade?)take preventive care often ...want 400lb/tq not hp. Is the 50 trim streetable? want all around not just high end. Also i want to see if i can use my laptop to tune instead of some logger. although the gameboy tuner thing looks cool. and i do plan to rewire my fuel pump do i need a fpr with a walbro 190? i'm sure it's recommened but is it neccesary? i still need to open up my ecu to see if it's eprom *edit* i found logging software and the emulator for a palm. Now is there any programs i can use to tune, Dsm link, Ds map, any one know of anything else that will tune not just log?

A logger won't tune. It just provides you the data you need to make tuning possible. You will need an AFC, ECU+, DSMLink, EMS, etc... You need something that fools the cars ECU into thinking it is doing something different. If budget is tight, look into ECU+... while I have not used it, it seems well supported and able to handle more than an AFC. DSMLink, which I use is still better, but costs more.... so there are trade offs.

Also, you MAY need an fpr for the rewired Wally 190 and you MAY not. However I do not think a 190 a will get you the power you want. It does not flow enough and certaintly not at the higher boost levels. I would think of nothing less than a Wally 255 High Pressure pump as a bottom choice for fuel delivery.

I am not trying to be a prick, but I don't think you are fully understanding the costs involved in developing a 400 lb-ft car with out it grenadeing on you. I would guess 6 to 10k.

 

[fatherbubble]

So you want at least 400 horsepower and have a limited budget... That describes 99% of DSM'ers you'll need bigger injectors, fuel pump and FPR, something to tune your larger injectors, at least a 50-trim, cams, and more stuff I'm forgetting about but all of it isn't exactly cheap. Worst case scenario you could always buy some of these parts used I guess to save some scratch. but once you've hit the 400 mark you're gonna need at least a new clutch, hopefully better brakes, and some $ to rebuild your aging 4G63 when you grenade it

You dont need a 50 trim My EVO III is pushing almost 500 now. Cant wait to get it back from the shop an get a dyno tune.

 

[Hideki]

You dont need a 50 trim My EVO III is pushing almost 500 now. Cant wait to get it back from the shop an get a dyno tune.

This subject has been beaten to death 1,000 times. Yes, you can hit past the 400 mark with an E316g. I'm not even going to get into it here

 

[TalonJohn94]

some where in the high 3's

I think this is a little ambitious.

 

[talon20g]

You dont need a 50 trim My EVO III is pushing almost 500 now. Cant wait to get it back from the shop an get a dyno tune.

Please do not post false information. Some make it over 400whp but most make it up to 400whp. The most anyone has made on an evo3 is 499whp. Also your first post in this thread showed your not a very knowledgeable individual. Walbro 255HP is not good until 700hp and voltage at the fuel pump has been measured as low as 10-11v, quiet a difference from the 14v the alternater should be putting out.

 

[arash15]

What i would do is SEARCH!

RRE 2nd Generation Eclipse Upgrade Path

 

[PieEyedPiper]

Please do not post false information. Some make it over 400whp but most make it up to 400whp. The most anyone has made on an evo3 is 499whp. Also your first post in this thread showed your not a very knowledgeable individual. Walbro 255HP is not good until 700hp and voltage at the fuel pump has been measured as low as 10-11v, quiet a difference from the 14v the alternater should be putting out.

I would argue that most barely break the 300whp mark with their EvoIII 16g's, but your point is solid.

 

[talon20g]

Upgrades should always start with a good tuning tool. At least an afc. I spent around $3000 when I first got into dsms around 5 years ago, my biggest mistake because not a dime was invested into anything as little as an afc. Also switch over to a 2g maf or a maft, the maft (mass air flow translator) also has some built in tunability. Upgrades without tunability are the equal of a 90lb grow man trying to lift a F250. Can't stress the importance enough.

 

[TalonJohn94]

some where in the high 3's.*

Ok, I'll try to be of some help here. Here's the basic things I would consider:

• Reduce chassis weight by 2000lb - 2500lb
• Replace 4G63 with some kind of NitroMethane engine
• Acquire a host of corporate sponsors
• Train or hire a Top Fuel racecar driver

Even then, low 4's are extremely difficult.

 

[talon20g]

Ok, I'll try to be of some help here. Here's the basic things I would consider:

Reduce chassis weight by 2000lb - 2500lb
Replace 4G63 with some kind of NitroMethane engine
Acquire a host of corporate sponsors
Train or hire a Top Fuel racecar driver

Even then, low 4's are extremely difficult.
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I believe he was talking about high 3's as far as horsepower range, as in 390hp or so. He's mostly looking for torque from what the post says. Torque also breaks parts but you own a dsm so it was gonna break sooner or later anyways.

 

[DSM-Franek]

Ok, I'll try to be of some help here. Here's the basic things I would consider:

• Reduce chassis weight by 2000lb - 2500lb
• Replace 4G63 with some kind of NitroMethane engine
• Acquire a host of corporate sponsors
• Train or hire a Top Fuel racecar driver

Even then, low 4's are extremely difficult.

He means high 300s as in horsepower..

 

[96mitsugsx]

Are you going to do all the work yourself? Do a lot of research first. Remember the saying you have to learn how to crawl first before you learn how to walk. Maximize the potential of your stock turbo first before you upgrade. Go to RRE, Buschur and DSMtuners upgrade paths. You'll find your answers there.

 

[TalonJohn94]

Sorry to the OP, bored at work.

 

[beniger]

i see yeah i've done all my work i do all my work i'll do all my work