Opinions on set-up

[IvanTalonPR]

hi guys, i need opinions on my set up,this is what im planing to get to the 610awhp mark:

Engine: 1g 6 bolt
Eagle Rods
Ross Pistons
o-ringed block
ARP mains & head studs
P. & P. head
1mm oversize valves
B.C. valvesprings and retainers
B.C. 280 cams
JMF SMIM
70mm TB
FP Race manifold
FP3582R HTA
3" O2
3" down pipe and exhaust
Tial 44mm WG
Tial Q BOV
ETS Race FMIC
Walbro 255lph HP in-tank & Bosch 044 in-line pumps
-8 feed lines & -6 return
1150cc injectors
Aeromotive FPR
Fuel Rail
DSM Link (with MAF-T blow thru set up)
Gauges( boost ,oil press.,EGT,WB )
MBC
CoP (with MSD DIS-2 )

i think thats all ,any suggestions,comments appreciated.

 

[dSmgs-T]

sounds like a nasty build going on!

 

[1992awdlaser]

I would get a bigger turbo for that horsepower goal. What kind of gas do you plan to run to get that goal?

 

[dsmmack]

i'd agree, bigger turbo!

 

[IvanTalonPR]

The same FP3582R HTA has made over 620AWHP on the Bad Bish Evo ,i dont see why to go bigger.
The 610awhp will be on C16 of course, 400awhp on pump 93

 

[1992awdlaser]

You asked for opinions and you are getting them. Your car is not the same car as that evo. Do you think you will make 499whp with a 16g just because TPG tuning did? for some reason it seams that evo's make more power with a specific turbo than dsm's do anyway. Not many people with dsm's can break 600whp with a 35r. and if you do you are pushing it. If you had a bottle I would say sure use a 35r but not with just boost. You can listen to me and make the power easier or you can ignore me and try to make the power and most likely end up wasting money on that turbo just to have to buy another.

 

[1gDSM4g63]

I think you'll need 1600cc injector if you're going to push the car to it's limit on c16. Plus I don't think you'll get up to 600awhp with a gt35. You'll have to have a stroker block or a performance built 2.0L that's honed and polished but that's my 2 cent. However if you're still planning to shoot for 600+ awhp with a gt35 I'd be very careful with tuning. You're push the line and if you go too far you're engine will be gone.

 

[IvanTalonPR]

You asked for opinions and you are getting them. Your car is not the same car as that evo. Do you think you will make 499whp with a 16g just because TPG tuning did? for some reason it seams that evo's make more power with a specific turbo than dsm's do anyway. Not many people with dsm's can break 600whp with a 35r. and if you do you are pushing it. If you had a bottle I would say sure use a 35r but not with just boost. You can listen to me and make the power easier or you can ignore me and try to make the power and most likely end up wasting money on that turbo just to have to buy another.

I know DSM aren't the same as Evo's , and remember that its not a normal 35R and has more potential than the regular one

 

[IvanTalonPR]

I think you'll need 1600cc injector if you're going to push the car to it's limit on c16. Plus I don't think you'll get up to 600awhp with a gt35. You'll have to have a stroker block or a performance built 2.0L that's honed and polished but that's my 2 cent. However if you're still planning to shoot for 600+ awhp with a gt35 I'd be very careful with tuning. You're push the line and if you go too far you're engine will be gone.

i think that 1000cc are ok since i have seen right in front of me a DSM with a normal 35R making 641awhp with 1000cc injectors , i dont think my goal its impossible ,dificult maybe but not imposible

 

[1992awdlaser]

I don't care what 35r it is. If its not on spray I wouldn't try it since you are going to be pushing the limit of it. My friends 2.3l Buschur powered evo 9 made only 620whp on 40psi with a 35r. I would get a bigger turbo that will be easier on the engine since it will require less boost. 1000's are fine for the goal.

 

[andy4g63]

There is only one thing that people often forget:
Garret turbos work !!!
FP modified Garret turbos are even better
If you willing to push it in 40-40+ PSI RANGE is more than enough. 1000cc are sufficent too. Good luck.

 

[IvanTalonPR]

I don't care what 35r it is. If its not on spray I wouldn't try it since you are going to be pushing the limit of it. My friends 2.3l Buschur powered evo 9 made only 620whp on 40psi with a 35r. I would get a bigger turbo that will be easier on the engine since it will require less boost. 1000's are fine for the goal.

Again 35R its not the same as the 35RHTA, the HTA uses a different compressor wheel and can supportaround 30-40whp more than a regular 35R + spools faster

 

[IvanTalonPR]

There is only one thing that people often forget:
Garret turbos work !!!
FP modified Garret turbos are even better
If you willing to push it in 40-40+ PSI RANGE is more than enough. 1000cc are sufficent too. Good luck.

Ihope i dont need more than 40psi since my boost gauge only goes to 40, and right now i am worried about the IC i dont know if it can support that level of power...

 

[Supa Dexta]

Where'd the 610 come from? why the 10?

 

[1gDSM4g63]

I don't get what this forum is about. You asked for our opinions but you objectify too all of them. If you think you can get 610awhp on a FP3582R HTA with your setup then do it! Just go look at other members dyno sheets with a GT35 that have over 600awhp and just follow their engine setup. Take you ride to its limit because someone else gotten done it.

 

[IvanTalonPR]

I don't get what this forum is about. You asked for our opinions but you objectify too all of them. If you think you can get 610awhp on a FP3582R HTA with your setup then do it! Just go look at other members dyno sheets with a GT35 that have over 600awhp and just follow their engine setup. Take you ride to its limit because someone else gotten done it.

Since all the opinions i get its only from my turbo choice and all of them talking about regular 35R like they where the same as the HTA35R.

But changing the subject any inputs about my FMIC or Fuel set up choices???

 

[IvanTalonPR]

Where'd the 610 come from? why the 10?

I just want to have more than 600whp.

 

[talon187]

you may need bigger injectors my buddy made 570 somthing with his talon with a 35r and was running out of fuel he couldnt turn up the boost anymore because he didnt have springs and retainers and it leaked after uper 20s of boost good luck you should be able to do it are you going to run aem?

 

[1992awdlaser]

Fuel set up looks good. I don't know anything about that intercooler except for some people having good luck with them in cars making half the power you want.

 

[2gGSX]

Mathematically 1050's or 1150's would be safer, although calculations are never entirely accurate.

If you're going to build such a high dollar setup, why are you sticking with the SSAC FMIC? Kiggly and Buschur have both posted data showing the downfalls of the E-Bay cores when ran at the boost and power you're looking to make. Consider switching to a proven Garrett core.

Are you using the JM Fab Drag version manifold? That may be a worthwhile upgrade from their regular offering for the amount of power you want.

Get rid of the FP Race manifold and run the at least a T3 if not a T4--a .68 A/R T4 with the v-band discharge would be a nice option.

 

[LTHL SVT]

Looks like a killer setup, I would go with a bigger turbo though.

 

[IvanTalonPR]

you may need bigger injectors my buddy made 570 somthing with his talon with a 35r and was running out of fuel he couldnt turn up the boost anymore because he didnt have springs and retainers and it leaked after uper 20s of boost good luck you should be able to do it are you going to run aem?

DSM Link

 

[IvanTalonPR]

Mathematically 1050's or 1150's would be safer, although calculations are never entirely accurate.

If you're going to build such a high dollar setup, why are you sticking with the SSAC FMIC? Kiggly and Buschur have both posted data showing the downfalls of the E-Bay cores when ran at the boost and power you're looking to make. Consider switching to a proven Garrett core.

Are you using the JM Fab Drag version manifold? That may be a worthwhile upgrade from their regular offering for the amount of power you want.

Get rid of the FP Race manifold and run the at least a T3 if not a T4--a .68 A/R T4 with the v-band discharge would be a nice option.

Well im trying to reduce some costs in some things,being the FMIC one of those things, the core is the same size as the ETS racing core and costs less than half the price, unless anyone can point me other FMIC thats not in the $800+ range;the Drag manifold looks relly good but it will kill more low end than the race version and the car its a DD looking for 400awhp on pump (93 oct.) and 600awhp on C16, im changing to 1150cc to be on the safe side; and about the FP Race manifold, since its a DD the cast manifold would last longer since i cant afford a high priced tubular mani.

 

[IvanTalonPR]

Looks like a killer setup, I would go with a bigger turbo though.

A bigger turbo would produce the # more easy but will not be fun on the street, thats why i decided on the 35RHTA on the bolt on housing it got decent spool up and high whp capabilities, a DSM88HTA would make the ponies easier but i dont know how much different is the spool compared to the 35RHTA

 

[1gDSM4g63]

Well im trying to reduce some costs in some things,being the FMIC one of those things, the core is the same size as the ETS racing core and costs less than half the price, unless anyone can point me other FMIC thats not in the $800+ range;the Drag manifold looks relly good but it will kill more low end than the race version and the car its a DD looking for 400awhp on pump (93 oct.) and 600awhp on C16, im changing to 1150cc to be on the safe side; and about the FP Race manifold, since its a DD the cast manifold would last longer since i cant afford a high priced tubular mani.

It doesn't matter if the FMIC looks the same and is the same size. Just look at the specs and compare the cfm/hp range. FMIC is one of the most important things if you're going to need. I mean you'll regret if your go with the cheap eBay version and your car cannot get to the level you want because of knocking.

As for the exhaust manifold, I would definitely go with the tubular. Even though the FP person says if will go as good as the tubular I don't really think its possible unless they give me tests that show it. I go with a full racing tubular manifold like, Shearer, Straight Line Specialities, etc... If however you decide to stay with the FP manifold it will be a huge setback and you can save yourself more money because you would need the JMF SMIM.

I realized building a high performance DSM ain't cheap but you cannot go the bare minimum and expect it'll give you the max. or over-exceeding power. From my point of view I just think your expectation of 600awhp+ is just not possible with your setup. You will need a true tubular manifold, FMIC, high pressure dual springs, bigger injector, and a rebuilt head and block ported and polished.