New to DSM, 96 TSI AWD

[interex]

Heya guys. I just bought a 96 TSi AWD (automatic). The engine has a rod through the block so I got a 92 TSi AWD engine... This engine is a 6 bolt and I've read quite a bit already about the swap. Reading the swap thread really kind of gave me bad thoughts about the swap. Maybe it just looked like a lot of work but it almost turned me off of the idea of putting the 1G engine in my car. Anyone who has done it know about a good time frame it would take to get the engine set up and ready to go in my 96 TSi? Are there no stronger rods, or cranks for the 2G engines to keep them from crankwalking, or breaking rods easily? I guess I have no choice but to put the other engine in the car for now but reading about the task just really sucked. I dont expect everything to be as easy as pie but wow... Maybe I need some motivation? Well ANY advice or maybe a thread that is a little me friendly would be welcome! Thanks!

 

[leathaltsi]

no its more of a factory defect 6 bolt swap is well worth the time i realy doesnt take much time I can do it in a full days work.

 

[interex]

Its just bugging the crap out of me worrying about this. I bought this 6 bolt TSI AWD engine from a kid with the manual transmission hooked up to it for 150$ cause he was short on his rent and was getting evicted and he swears it is freshly rebuilt and even has receipts but i'm not sure if they used the rods that were in the engine, or got non forged rods/pistons. I'm scared that i'll put all this work into putting it in my TSI and it will just blow up. I dunno . I do know I have this 6 bolt with EVERYTHING on it and the 7 bolt with a T3... So I guess I'll have to do some work to get this all done soon. I'll post on here about problems, questions, and or comments about the job as I go along.

Question I do have... Does the 2g ECM work on the 6 bolt sensors? I got the 1G ECM with the 6 bolt when i picked it up lastnight.

 

[eric62810]

No the ecms are different and like leathalsti says it is well worth the effort..

 

[interex]

Have you put a 6 bolt in a 2G ? Just curious if you have, and did you have any issues that needed to be worked out after the install? Any major tuning?

 

[silver bullit]

Crank walk is caused be the thrust bearings wearing out, look it up.

If you have all the tools and know what you are doing ###### a day or 2 max.

I would get this done in a day but i know what i am doing so maybe it will take a weekend to finish it for you.


All you need to do to make the swap simple is switch out the bottom ends, thats it.

New head gasket and timing belt stuff(all) and maybe the water pump since youre in there.

The only 2 tough things you may have is pulling a motor (if you dont know how... good luck or pay me to finish it).
and you have to grind the mount to fit the 6 bolt water pump. A dremmel/sander will take a while but it will work.

If you dought the rebuild, take a pic of the pistons and of the motor to i can tell if its turbo one and if it was rebuilt.

 

[eric62810]

no havnt ever put a six bolt in a 2nd gen but know ppl who have (recently sold a cas to guy from stl and he says it was fairly easy) but ive put a six bolt in my 1st gen that was a 1.8 n/a and ran faster than my buddys 93 w/7 bolt in

 

[silver bullit]

If you dought the rebuild, take a pic of the pistons and of the motor to i can tell if its turbo one and if it was rebuilt.

WEll....

 

[interex]

So... I'd have to take the head off and ruin a gasket to take a pic of the pistons... sounds kinda crappy :/

 

[silver bullit]

Well you could do a compression test, but if you wanna make it really simple..

Just switch cas, and intake mani, on the 1g motor. The 1g head/intake mani flows more anyway. Enjoy.

 

[interex]

Someone should sell the engine mount, and starter bracket for the swap already made.

I can do it myself that isnt hard. I'm not new to anything of this sort but I am new to this car/engine. I guess I'm going to get started today on the project. Basicly all I need to do is swap the fuel rail/injectors, sensors, modify the mount, and then what about the ECM/wiring?

 

[silver bullit]

Someone should sell the engine mount, and starter bracket for the swap already made.

I can do it myself that isnt hard. I'm not new to anything of this sort but I am new to this car/engine. I guess I'm going to get started today on the project. Basicly all I need to do is swap the fuel rail/injectors, sensors, modify the mount, and then what about the ECM/wiring?

You make it yourself 15 dolla vs 100 for a new one.
Starter just use the 2g one, its bolt to the trans anyway.

You just need to swap the 2g intake mani with injectors off onto the 1g motor, the cas simply switches off and the wiring is like stock, just plug it in. Use the 2g ecu wiring an ecu dont change. This is not a honda.

Youll need to switch the thermostat housing off.

 

[leathaltsi]

the easy way to find out if its a turbo motor or not is to take the oil pan off the nt came with no oil squirters you only payed 150 bucks than you got a pretty good deal

 

[interex]

the easy way to find out if its a turbo motor or not is to take the oil pan off the nt came with no oil squirters you only payed 150 bucks than you got a pretty good deal

I know it is a turbo 6 bolt as it is sitting complete with the turbo/manifold on it. My comment was that i was worried wether or not they used turbo parts for the engine or stock n/a parts.

My 2G is coming out in the morning, a buddy of mine is coming over to help me get it pulled.

I'll take it slow for the next few days, or weeks even to make sure i get things done properly for putting my 1G in.

Should I leave the 1G as it is? 1G Head, Block, Intake, Turbo/Manifold, etc?
Would putting the 2G head/intake on the 1G engine make any difference for better or worse? If all that needs to be done is drill out the bolt holes for the head bolts I can do that in no time flat as I have a full garage with drill press, and anything I'll probably need to modify things.

I've looked at a few different 1G Swap threads and each one of them seem to have something different than the other. This is why I'm taking this slow and easy and maybe in a couple months I'll buy another 1G to modify, build up, put some major money into. This 96 TSi AWD is too beautiful to just not do something good with it. I'm going next week to get a 99 Eclipse headlights, front/rear bumper and filler for the car from a 'yard' in Indiana.

This is just a major thrill to me to finally be doing this and have such a cool car. Moving away from my Intrepid, and GSI Storm (erm...) is a good move for the great car, and deal i got.

 

[bling5tatus]

YOU DON"T NEED A SIX BOLT...7BOLT IS FINE.

I wish all this misinformation would leave this site. When was the last time anyone heard of crank walk happening? What is the frequency of crank walk these days? I think it happened to like 200 cars and it ruined it for everyone. Now we have honda idiots saying our motors pop easily, and even our own kind.... the dsm'rs think that 7bolts are no good.

I bet there's plenty of kids with too much money that immediately ripped out a good 7 bolt for fear that it would maybe crank walk some day.... and replaced it with another perfectly good motor. People are nuts.

 

[interex]

YOU DON"T NEED A SIX BOLT...7BOLT IS FINE.

I wish all this misinformation would leave this site. When was the last time anyone heard of crank walk happening?

Whoa there cowboy... Well.. I guess I can go take smoe pics of the 2G in my Talon for you where the #3 rod broke and busted out the back of the engine.

The kid happen to have a 1G TSI AWD engine he bought to replace it and sold it to me mad cheap when i bought the car. He was very hard up for money so i took the 1G turbo engine and 5spd awd tranny too. this is the only reason i'll put the 1G in my car since i already have it. It isnt just exactly about the fact that the 2G was known for crankwalking.

 

[bling5tatus]

I understand, but typically rods don't just "decide" to come unbuttoned. The tuning was bad, the oil was starved, or the assembly on the motor was bad.

But, I s'pose I see your reasoning, I mean.... If that's what you are bent on doing and you've already got the motor, then great. I can just say that if I had a 2g with a busted motor... I wouldn't be dealing with all this conversion jazz for a motor that is just as good as one that is meant to go in the 2g to begin with.

 

[interex]

I understand, but typically rods don't just "decide" to come unbuttoned. The tuning was bad, the oil was starved, or the assembly on the motor was bad.

But, I s'pose I see your reasoning, I mean.... If that's what you are bent on doing and you've already got the motor, then great. I can just say that if I had a 2g with a busted motor... I wouldn't be dealing with all this conversion jazz for a motor that is just as good as one that is meant to go in the 2g to begin with.

I thought the 1G turbo was better, the 1G rods were better, the pistons were stronger but less compression, and yet 1000's of people swap to the 1G for no reason? I just dont see why 1000's of people would do it for no reason. Many sites do explain that the 2G did have problems with "crank walk" hell even when looking up the definition of crank walk it specificly says the 2G 4g63t engine was most common for this issue. I dont care which engine is in the car but I dont want something that is going to have issues with holding up to some power. I'm kinda trying to get this thing going strong and able to produce some power if need be. I've talked to about 15 people so far and each of them have said that swapping to a 1G would be better than using the 2G. I do understand it happened to some people and could happen to anyone on any engine but i'm just trying to cover my own ass.

I also dont get how when doing the swap some threads say "you gotta do this, do that, and do this too" but then other threads say you just have to modify the mount, and the CAS and extend the wires and swap the injector wires... *wth*