Which of these 2 turbos should i buy

[boosted91crx]

Hi guys, I am back again for help, I have narrowed it down to 2 turbos, i was hoping some one with some knowledge of the two could help me sort it out. the first one is this one
Forced Performance: DSM 18G-6SL2 Turbocharger
and the second is this one
Modern Automotive Performance :: DSM :: Turbochargers and Accessories :: Bullseye Power :: Bullseye-Power T04B V Trim Bolt On Turbocharger
from what i understand both will bolt are direct bolt on replacements for my big 16g.
My car is a honda CRX, i run a 1.6 liter SOHC d16zc motor. the big 16g i have now is maxed out and its time to upgrade my turbo, o2 housing and injectors. which reminds me while im at it is this a good o2 housing or should i just go with a tubular one?
Modern Automotive Performance :: DSM :: LIPP Cast Stainless Steel O2 Housing (DSM)
i know my cars not a DSM but you guys are a huge help any way. by the way here are a few youtube links of my car for yah to check out.
YouTube - My CRX going 12.5
YouTube - 90 Honda CRX Si turbo, 0 to 130+ MPH
I look forward to getting and advice i can from yah guys.

 

[ash_gst98]

One Option Could Be The Group Buy Fp 20g For 899.99. Its One Of The Main Threads On The Home Page.

 

[fwdmaster]

Go with the Bullseye-Power v trim turbo, it's cheaper and can make more power

 

[ReaperGSX]

If ouy maxed out the 16g you wont be happy with an 18G. Go with the FP20G group buy.

 

[boosted91crx]

One Option Could Be The Group Buy Fp 20g For 899.99. Its One Of The Main Threads On The Home Page.

It must be a direct bolt in replacement for my big 16 g, which i was told the 20 g is not.

Go with the Bullseye-Power v trim turbo, it's cheaper and can make more power

thanks for trying but price isnt a factor, just because they list it as being capable of making more power and its price is cheaper isnt reason enough for me, i really want to hear from some one who has first hand knowledge of these 2 turbos.

 

[dSmgs-T]

i was in the same boat as you, went with a 50trim from PTE. have yet to install it but everything ive read about them seems to be really exciting by the way are you fwd or awd?

 

[boosted91crx]

i was in the same boat as you, went with a 50trim from PTE. have yet to install it but everything ive read about them seems to be really exciting by the way are you fwd or awd?

honda crx are fwd

 

[hiimnotcool]

I have the FP18G on my car. Feels pretty good, and I only have the boost at 13-14 right now because it's a brand new engine/turbo. Hmm..I've put over 1,000 miles on the engine so maybe I'll turn the boost up tomorrow and really let you know how it is. Any specific questions you need answered?

 

[ash_gst98]

It must be a direct bolt in replacement for my big 16 g, which i was told the 20 g is not.

the bullseye and the 20g are downward shooting turbos so they are the same. the 16g and the 18g are upward shooting and they are the same. with the 20g u may have to change the direction of the water lines but everything else will fit

 

[ash_gst98]

if u dont want to mess with the 20g although i think the group buy is an amazing deal go with the V trim it is a stronger turbo.

 

[thorlief4g63]

I have a 50 trim and I would really have rather gone with the FP Green. Direct bolt on compatibility. Otherwise the 20g is great.

 

[DSMsOwnYourV8]

What are your goals? Personally, if I was maxing out a 16g and looking to upgrade, I'd go bigger than a 20g.

 

[92awddsm]

Hi guys, I am back again for help, I have narrowed it down to 2 turbos, i was hoping some one with some knowledge of the two could help me sort it out. the first one is this one
Forced Performance: DSM 18G-6SL2 Turbocharger
and the second is this one
Modern Automotive Performance :: DSM :: Turbochargers and Accessories :: Bullseye Power :: Bullseye-Power T04B V Trim Bolt On Turbocharger
from what i understand both will bolt are direct bolt on replacements for my big 16g.
My car is a honda CRX, i run a 1.6 liter SOHC d16zc motor. the big 16g i have now is maxed out and its time to upgrade my turbo, o2 housing and injectors. which reminds me while im at it is this a good o2 housing or should i just go with a tubular one?
Modern Automotive Performance :: DSM :: LIPP Cast Stainless Steel O2 Housing (DSM)
i know my cars not a DSM but you guys are a huge help any way. by the way here are a few youtube links of my car for yah to check out.
YouTube - My CRX going 12.5
YouTube - 90 Honda CRX Si turbo, 0 to 130+ MPH
I look forward to getting and advice i can from yah guys.

SOHC zc? I think you are mistaken. If it is sohc non-vtec, it is probably a d16a6. The zc was the jdm dohc non-vtec 1.6.

It you are looking for a bolt on, I assume you are using the hf manifold with an adapter? If you are upgrading the turbo, it would be a wise idea to go ahead and get a better flowing manifold. On larger turbos with the hf setup, spool time begins to suffer.

I was running a 50 trim on my old built zc crx and it worked great. The only downside was how bad it spun, even from a 60 mph roll.

EDIT:I just looked at the video and that is either a d16z6 or a d16y8. The zc was non-vtec

 

[costas14]

isnt this a dsm forum?

 

[andy4g63]

Go with the FP. They cost more, but are proven to work. Allways. A+ quality.

 

[boosted91crx]

SOHC zc? I think you are mistaken. If it is sohc non-vtec, it is probably a d16a6. The zc was the jdm dohc non-vtec 1.6.

It you are looking for a bolt on, I assume you are using the hf manifold with an adapter? If you are upgrading the turbo, it would be a wise idea to go ahead and get a better flowing manifold. On larger turbos with the hf setup, spool time begins to suffer.

I was running a 50 trim on my old built zc crx and it worked great. The only downside was how bad it spun, even from a 60 mph roll.

EDIT:I just looked at the video and that is either a d16z6 or a d16y8. The zc was non-vtec

z6 head zc block yes i know how much a crx can spin from even 70 mph , my manifold is custom and flows great so are all my pipes. this is why i want to replace the big 16g with a direct bolt on, so i dont have to get any pipes redone.
my power goals are to make 5o to 60 more whp then i am now, im currently at 300 whp.
i dont have any water lines so water lines wont even be in the picture. when you say" down ward blowing" do you mean the way the turbo is clocked? and cant that be changed?

 

[92awddsm]

z6 head zc block yes i know how much a crx can spin from even 70 mph , my manifold is custom and flows great so are all my pipes. this is why i want to replace the big 16g with a direct bolt on, so i dont have to get any pipes redone.
my power goals are to make 5o to 60 more whp then i am now, im currently at 300 whp.
i dont have any water lines so water lines wont even be in the picture. when you say" down ward blowing" do you mean the way the turbo is clocked? and cant that be changed?

I would stay away from the v-trim personally. Even on my dsm, it was a slow spooler. On the 1.6, it will be even slower. Also, from a true bolt on standpoint, the 18g would be the way to go. You would also have excellent customer service to stand behind the product. I dont really think you will see 50-60 more whp with the 18g at the same boost levels.

 

[fwdmaster]

It must be a direct bolt in replacement for my big 16 g, which i was told the 20 g is not.


thanks for trying but price isnt a factor, just because they list it as being capable of making more power and its price is cheaper isnt reason enough for me, i really want to hear from some one who has first hand knowledge of these 2 turbos.

whats the point of asking get a 13g instead

 

[boosted91crx]

I would stay away from the v-trim personally. Even on my dsm, it was a slow spooler. On the 1.6, it will be even slower. Also, from a true bolt on standpoint, the 18g would be the way to go. You would also have excellent customer service to stand behind the product. I dont really think you will see 50-60 more whp with the 18g at the same boost levels.

exactly why im concerned, i added you on aim if you dont mind i would like to talk to you more.

 

[thiazole]

I don't think a 1.6L is a good match for a 20g. A 20g most efficient on bigger engines that don't need high PRs to make power. I don't even think they are ideal for 2.0L engine.

 

[dsm-onster]

Those saying that an 18g is not worth the upgrade to a maxed out evo3 16g has never owned an 18g nor has looked at the compressor map. The td06sl 18g has a bigger compressor, turbine, and compressor housing.

I say go for the 18g. The v-trim map "leans" very far. Compressor surge is more possible. And the lag isn't worth the extra flow if you're looking for 400-450whp. The v-trim CAN flow more than the 50-trim however.

My td05h 18g hit hard and pulled as much as an evo3 16g to 40ish lbs/min. Of course, it had the same hot side as the evo3 16g. Even "upgrading" to the BEP turbine housing helped power up top. This told me there is way more in the compressor than the turbine was letting flow out the tailpipe. The tdo6sl wheel will give you that flow the 18g compressor merits. It seams that the td05h turbine in the 7cm housing found stock on the evo3 16g turbo can flow at about the limit of the evo3 16g compressor wheel and housing. The 18g compressor map shows +44lbs/min. That's PLENTY more than the evo3 16g map.

 

[92awddsm]

Those saying that an 18g is not worth the upgrade to a maxed out evo3 16g has never owned an 18g nor has looked at the compressor map. The td06sl 18g has a bigger compressor, turbine, and compressor housing.

The compressor wheel might be bigger but it is still stufffed into the tiny tdo5 compressor housing that is shared by the 14b, 16g, 17c, and now the 18 series.

Anyway, you are thinking like a dsm'er. Just because it works good for us doesnt mean that it works good on a d16.

 

[dsm-onster]

Flow is flow. The 18g map I'm refering to is a td05h 18g compressor. Regardless of engine, the 18g compressor flows more than the evo3 16g compressor and the td06sl turbine has put the 18g compressor at 450 whp recently. A honda motor may or may not do better, but the 18g will do better than the evo3 16g on a honda motor. What am I missing???

 

[92awddsm]

What am I missing???

The same explanation as to why a 57 trim works great on b18 hondas but leaves a lot to be desired on the dsm. Maybe the fact that regardless of how much peak flow a turbo has, the larger the wheel you put in the smaller housings, the less efficient they become. And maybe a little turbo honda experience. Im not saying I know everything but all of my dsm turbo experience I brought from my turbo honda background. I did that for quite some time and still tinker with them some. Ive only had my dsm since '99 but I had my turbo crx from 96 to 2002. I had as many different turbos on that as I have had on my dsm.

 

[boosted91crx]

so you both agree that the 18 g is my best choice , even if you are agreeing for different reasons?