Wideband or safc

[eclispestar]

Hey guys what is better to get a AEM WIDEBAND AIR/FUEL GAUGE OR a APEXI NEO? I dont know would one is better so i need help from you guys?

 

[timloomis]

Get the afc, since the wideband doesn't have a use untill you can control your fuel ratio.

 

[kenamond]

They are two different things. The WBO2 tells you your air-fuel ratio which is needed to do a good job of tuning. The Neo is a fuel controller that allows you to tune in the first place. You want both a tuning device (like Neo) and a way to tell if your tune is good (WBO2).

 

[fastandlow94]

go with the wide band what good is the neo to adjust your fuel if you dont knwo the effect its having just my .02

 

[snowborder714]

You should ideally get both at the same time, especially since you don't have a logger (which should be purchased at the same time or before the other two). You don't want to be blind tuning, which is what would happen if you bought the S-AFC. The wideband would be the better purchase, but will be useless without a way to control your air/fuel ratio.

So just save up your money and get those three items at the same time.

 

[architechnik]

I'll second the A/F Gauge, as tuning with the Neo will blow your engine if you don't have good readings on a wideband O2 sensor. If you must choose between the two, skip the NEO. If price is of concern but close, get a wideband solution and an older model a/f tuner as an alternative for less $$.

 

[95CarbonEclipse]

+1 for the wideband. Even without the AFC you can still adjust your A/F ratio with a good ol' fashioned MBC.

 

[absolute_DSM]

+1 for the wideband. Even without the AFC you can still adjust your A/F ratio with a good ol' fashioned MBC.

... WTF

 

[kenamond]

+1 for the wideband. Even without the AFC you can still adjust your A/F ratio with a good ol' fashioned MBC.

MBC has nothing to do with AFR except that if you turn it up too much you'll lean out...or if you install it incorrectly, you'll leak boost and go rich.

 

[My1GLaser]

If you are saving up the money for all 3 then just get DSMLink instead. You can tune very well using DSMLink without a wideband, and you have much more control over the tune than AFC & logger.

But if you don't have the $550 for DSMLink then get an AFC & logger first. Try the classifieds here. I got one a while back for under $200. You can tune using knock threshold if you have a logger and watching O2 voltage, but that is such a PITA. I ended up just getting DSMLink then a wideband a few months later. Do it first and save yourself the headache IMO...if you have the money.

 

[95CarbonEclipse]

All I was trying to say was that if you do have the boost turned up too high and you are leaning out your car, a wideband will let you know.

 

[JayRolla]

I agree with wideband first. I think it should be the first upgrade for any dsm. I would know the hard way, I burnt a valve with minimal knock because I was running lean tuning off a logger alone.

 

[eclispestar]

So you guys are saying that I should get the wideband. And or a dsmlink.

 

[JayRolla]

I would get the wbo2 first. That way you always know your afr and you wont destroy the motor later down the road with mods. Dsmlink is the best way to go for tuning in most situations. If you can afford it, go with it. SAFC is good but dsmlink is way better.

 

[CanadianTSi]

DSMLink with a Wideband is a great tuning combination.

 

[eclispestar]

I have a AFPR and I just want something to tell me my a/f ratio and I have not put my afpr on I want to get the a/f ratio first. So the wideband would be good for that and the safc doesnt do that.

 

[bastard dsm]

I would get the wide band fist,the neo will do you no good if you cant check your a/f's.

 

[1gDSM4g63]

Well in order to use a SAFC you need a wideband or an EGT. Personally I would go on PLX or Zeitronix wideband and a Apexi SAFC II.

 

[eclispestar]

I think for rigth now i will get the wideband and then later i will buy the apexi NEO.

 

[skeeter4200]

just get the WB and when I get back in couple of months ill sell you my safc since my girlfriend just bought me dsm link for my Bday , im at FT Lewis and will be back at the beginning of may

 

[dylan702110988]

I would be safe and get the Wideband first

 

[eclispestar]

Hey skeeter4200 how much do you want for your safc?