Eclipse Build Up

[BirdDogg1309]

Let me start of by asking everyone to not bash me in what I am about to ask. The majority of the customizing i have always done has been visual stuff. Body kits, rims, subs, mufflers, lights, etc...

However I got my 94 Eclipse 2.0L N/T 5 speed, I bought headers, intake, and muffler for it. I noticed an increase in horsepower and now I want to build it to go faster. Im not to knowledgable on performance mods so thats why I am asking you guys. Below is a list of things I want to buy for the motor. I want to do a complete rebuild. I know that mine is a non-turbo and that the difference in the nt and the turbo blocks are the oil squirters. I have done some research. Anyways here is the list of things I want to buy.


Fidanza Cam Gears
Brian Crower Stage 2 Cams
Eagle H-Beam Rods
Eagle Crankshaft
Brian Crower Racing Spring and Titanium Retainers
Slowboy Racing Stage 2 Head
Manley Intake & Exhaust Valves
Topline Revised Lifters
NGK Iridium Stage 3 Colder Spark Plugs
Ross Racing 8.5:1 Pistons
Unorthodox Ultra SS Pulley
Edelbrock 75mm Mustang Throttle Body
Magnus Motorsports Intake Manifold w/ Velocity Stacks
ACT 2600 Stage 2 6 puck Clutch
Fidanza Aluminum Lightened Flywheel
Fidanza Short Shifter
ZEX Direct Port Nitrous System
Mitsubishi EVO III 16G Turbo
SlowBoy Racing Front Mount Intercooler
Eibach Pro-kit Lowering Springs
SlowBoy Racing Ultimate Fuel Package
Apexi AFC NEO Engine Management Controller
Magnus Motorsports Fuel Rail
Pacesetter Black Turbular Header



Money is no problem for me, and I found all of these items on slowboyracing.com. This build will take a while so thats why money doesnt matter. Of course you can see in there I have listed a turbo and nitrous. Even though I have a n/t block, will it be ok to install the turbo even though i dont have the oil squirters to cool the pistons. Or will this project end up being a waste of money the first time I crank it.

 

[93clips]

Well, if money isn't a problem why not just get a complete turbo engine swap? Many places carry 90-94 turbo eclipse engines (4g63t). In the long run it'll save you money, time, and hassle to build a turbo engine. It also ends up being much faster in the end . After all, thats what i did and once you go turbo, you never look back

 

[BirdDogg1309]

Im not trying to be an ass but how will that save money. If i buy the block and all those parts. If i could find a good enough deal on a t-block locally i would get one, that way i could build it and continue to drive the car.

 

[tcan]

hey man...i just bought a 92 eclipse 2.0 n/t with a blown motor. got a new motor in it now and i wanted to start off with a cold-air intake! what happens to the mass airflow sensor??? how does it work with the new intake piping??? might be a stupid question but i am FAR from a mechanic...!

 

[BirdDogg1309]

You have to leave it hooked up, dont run your car without it. The mass airflow sensor tells your car how much fuel to use. Air - Fuel ratio. If you dont want to use it you can get the gm maf and gm maf translator. But i dont know much about those.

 

[dsmzoom]

hey man...i just bought a 92 eclipse 2.0 n/t with a blown motor. got a new motor in it now and i wanted to start off with a cold-air intake! what happens to the mass airflow sensor??? how does it work with the new intake piping??? might be a stupid question but i am FAR from a mechanic...!

Not really nice to jack someone else's thread. But you leave everything hooked up and basically just replace the intake pipe and filter.

I could imagine, but do hold me to it, since you have replaced all of the stock internals with aftermarket ones to support higher boost levels you should be fine.. That is going to be one badass n/t w/ turbo.

 

[BirdDogg1309]

Not really nice to jack someone else's thread. But you leave everything hooked up and basically just replace the intake pipe and filter.

I could imagine, but do hold me to it, since you have replaced all of the stock internals with aftermarket ones to support higher boost levels you should be fine.. That is going to be one badass n/t w/ turbo.

I havent done the work yet. I wanted to see if it was going to be worth it if i did build up the nt motor. i want all the strongest internals so I can run a lot of boost and nitrous. My ultimate goal in building the motor is a 600 whp drag car. Is the build worth it or will my problems be bigger than my dreams. I have never built a motor. But with the help of some friends that have, I figured I would try it.

 

[CoopsCoupe]

If you don't run a MAF you will hurt your engine. Reason is, when the car runs without the Maf it makes the Knock sensor retard and advance the timing over and over. Then the Knock sensor is dead. I can promise that you hurt your knock sensor. Exspecially if it is a stock setup of the computer.

IF you start with a turbo motor your going to have to replace the WHOLE MOTOR. Stay with me on this. A 4g63 can hold 8lbs.(just an example) I wouldn't put no more than 5 on a 420a stock.

420a needed:
A new COmputer or safc...
Pistons
Rods
Manifold for turbo
TURBO
Intercooler
BOV
*just to name a few

4g63 needed:
Tuning
Tuning
Tuning!!! But you get the point. You really will save so much more money if you start with a turbo motor and computer. Im just letting you know in advance because years ago I thought about doing the same thing. But I went my route. I hope you use good judgment and Thoughts are on the build and money.

 

[99RedGs]

If you don't run a MAF you will hurt your engine. Reason is, when the car runs without the Maf it makes the Knock sensor retard and advance the timing over and over. Then the Knock sensor is dead. I can promise that you hurt your knock sensor. Exspecially if it is a stock setup of the computer.

IF you start with a turbo motor your going to have to replace the WHOLE MOTOR. Stay with me on this. A 4g63 can hold 8lbs.(just an example) I wouldn't put no more than 5 on a 420a stock.

420a needed:
A new COmputer or safc...
Pistons
Rods
Manifold for turbo
TURBO
Intercooler
BOV
*just to name a few

4g63 needed:
Tuning
Tuning
Tuning!!! But you get the point. You really will save so much more money if you start with a turbo motor and computer. Im just letting you know in advance because years ago I thought about doing the same thing. But I went my route. I hope you use good judgment and Thoughts are on the build and money.

First of all he doesn't have a 420a he has a 4g63 n/t . The 420a holds 8psi just fine in most cases as long as you have an engine that is in good health. You don't need a new ECU for turboing a 420a, and the SAFC doesn't work very well on them.

Im not going to talk about 4g63 n/t internals because I have no idea about them, so as to how strong they are I can't comment. I know for one thing that you will be able to boost this motor even without oil squiters. It looks like you have all the major internals covered, but even with them they are also there to give you a buffer and an improperly tuned built motor can pop just like an n/t engine.

What are you going for powerwise because the 16g should be enough to get you where most people aim for and you could probably skip the direct port set-up. Is this a track car? If not there really isn't a need for a short shifter either. Depending on the power you are aiming for you might want to beef up your braking system though.

 

[trytospankthis]

i think that if money isn't an issue u should definitely juss start off with a turbo engine because some of the things u listed are overkill for the beginning stages of modding your car

 

[BirdDogg1309]

Powerise, I'd love to acheive 600 hp. I was going to upgrade the brakes, I was just tryin to mainly list the performance items. Right now the car is a street car, but my hopes are to turn it into a drag car. Im not doing a beginner mod. I want to go all the way and do it all the first time around. A couple people say start with the turbo engine. Whats the difference in the turbo block and non-turbo block. Why would it matter to start with the turbo block if I am going to buy all new internals. I want to strip the block bare naked. Have it flushed, honed. And build it from there with nothing stock.

I guess what im asking is if this set-up and my hopes of pushing 600+, would it be safe on a N/T block. are the turbo blocks built stronger. Im not talking about the internals either, i mean the walls of the block.

 

[greddy_1700]

Powerise, I'd love to acheive 600 hp.

Not a chance. The Evo3 will not come close to 600. For that your looking at a much bigger turbo.

NGK Iridium Stage 3 Colder Spark Plugs
ACT 2600 Stage 2 6 puck Clutch
Pacesetter Black Turbular Header

First, Iridium plugs and DSM's dont mix. EVER. Stick to the basic copper NGK's. BPR6ES (Or BPR7ES for higher modded engines) i believe... Someone correct me if im wrong

Second, your going to need a new tranny to put that clutch in. The non turbo tranny will need alot of love to put up with this build.

Lastly, If money is no object, stay away from pacesetter garbage. There stuff is terrible.

 

[BirdDogg1309]

Second, your going to need a new tranny to put that clutch in. The non turbo tranny will need alot of love to put up with this build.

Lastly, If money is no object, stay away from pacesetter garbage. There stuff is terrible.

, thanks for the info. I havent really looked up headers, I just saw those on the website, and threw them down. Didnt think I would end up with Pacesetter, I guess I listed it to show I was going to be getting new headers. And I didnt realize there was a difference in the n/t fwd tranny and the turbo fwd tranny. But thanks for the heads up.

 

[BirdDogg1309]

Not a chance. The Evo3 will not come close to 600. For that your looking at a much bigger turbo.
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Is there one that you would recommend

 

[greddy_1700]

Haha theres more than one. But if you want 600+hp, id say something like an FP 3052. They are pricey and require some work to exhaust and manifolds and such. Not as easy of an upgrade as an evo3 thats for sure.

 

[kittay]

Just remember, that it will be a fwd running that much power. Even with really wide/ sticky tires, you will still have issues with spinning.
If you're just wanting a track car, throw on some slicks and have fun. But if you're wanting to DD it, it may get old not being able to accelerate as well due to traction.

Also, Garrett has the GT series. Check out forcedperformance.net they have the FP and GT series turbos. Both are great, and have the hp ratings listed.

 

[EclipseSH21]

Here's my advice to you man, take it how you will.

Quit making lists of stuff you see on websites. Get out there, talk face to face with some local DSMers. Watch or help wrench on a few DSM's. Lurk around here for awhile, read the threads and the tech articles. 600whp is not out of the question, but it takes a lot more than just throwing money at the car. I can tell you're new to the performance world, and this isn't a problem. Set your goals in stages- 600 being the ultimate end, but lets hit 250 first. then 300whp. et cetera, et cetera. If you do this, you'll have a quick DSM in no time. Build it right, with the correct know how and understanding, and you'll be much happier in the end. Good luck.

 

[bane3d]

I kind of agree with the previous poster. If I were in your shoes, I'd keep your current car as your DD and start looking for a GST or GSX. If your goals are that high, I'd be surprised if this car would be driveable on pump gas at all. You should be able to find a DSM for very little money if you are happy with the 1G. You already have a very reliable DD and now it's time for your toy. I know that my GSX is down all the time and now I'm looking at it being down for another couple of months. Determine your budget first. I know you say money is not a problem but when you are talking about hitting above 400HP, you need a budget.

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[BirdDogg1309]

i completely understand both of you about doing it in stages. And not doing it to my daily driver. Right now the car is my DD. But I also drive a Mitsubishi Mirage. So I have 2 cars. What I was going to do was buy all the parts and keep driving both of the cars. Until I got all the parts I needed. Then at that point dissasemble the eclipse build it, while driving the Mirage. Im not worried at all about it being drivable on pump gas, a track car is perfectly fine with me. I mean I also drive a Mirage with a whopping 95hp. But it has visuals done to it. It looks fast but its not. And I have researched the motor, not much can be done to it to make it fast without a swap. So thats why I was wanting to make the eclipse a fast car. Im not worried about it being street legal or running on pump gas. I just want to take it to the track and be thrilled with the results. As far as a budget, yea I have priced everything and understand it would take me a while to collect all the parts. thats fine with me. It would give me time to mess around with other dsms and help and get a better understanding of dsm.

 

[dsmconvict]

not going to need the eagle crank...save your $700+ and just get a turbo crank...ditch the 75mm too.. maybe go with a q45 tb and jm smim

 

[mitsu_matt]

Making a list is a great way to start but dont forget to put labor on that list. I assume you dont have a machine shop in your garage? How about welding and fabrication? You will need to have the block check out and possibly need machine work. Also without much experience you will need some way of tuning all this... and again being non-experienced you will have to pay someone to get you to that 600hp mark! Take some advise and read, read, read, and then read some more. Just a thought.

 

[1993gsxtalon]

Wow for 600 i would def. say do the turbo engine swap.
Bigger turbo than the 16g.
And your mods list looks good other than that,but its possible with a good turbo and fuel system.
Good luck and keep posted

 

[CoopsCoupe]

First of all he doesn't have a 420a he has a 4g63 n/t . The 420a holds 8psi just fine in most cases as long as you have an engine that is in good health. You don't need a new ECU for turboing a 420a, and the SAFC doesn't work very well on them.

Im not going to talk about 4g63 n/t internals because I have no idea about them, so as to how strong they are I can't comment. I know for one thing that you will be able to boost this motor even without oil squiters. It looks like you have all the major internals covered, but even with them they are also there to give you a buffer and an improperly tuned built motor can pop just like an n/t engine.

What are you going for powerwise because the 16g should be enough to get you where most people aim for and you could probably skip the direct port set-up. Is this a track car? If not there really isn't a need for a short shifter either. Depending on the power you are aiming for you might want to beef up your braking system though.

I do appologize. I didn't read the post very fast. I was at work. I agree with engine holding 8lbs but that is a well maintained engine. How often do you come arcoss an eclipse that hassn't been doggd on. So from a stand point, unless you bought it, you don't know what it has been through. Ive seen the AFC work well on a lot of cars. But anyway, 600 is a lot!!! WOW!!!! I agree with everyone, about buying an gst or gsx. But you have a dream, then do it. If money is not object, you can do whatever you want.... Except putting a honda engine in it. anythnig but that.hahahaha. Just get the engine built first, like they said, lurk around here and get info. from botttom to top-of the engine.