Car Wont Start!!!! Really Need Help Fast

[rob1621]

Ok i know i should use the search a lil bit more on my problem but i dont have the time. I am really sorry if this is a easy problem to fix but im new. OK so today i did my first seafoam, everything went fine. the car turned on after it and every thing. i doubt that has anything to do with it but i just had to mention that. Ok well my car has idle surge and i was reading that one of the things that can cause this are the biss screw o-ring or whatever so i took out the biss and it all looked good, so i put it back, not sure the exact tightness it was but i put it back to what i thought it was. Right after i put that back i disconnected the isc connector to see if one of the coils were bad, but it all looked good so i put it back how it was. I tried to start the car and nothing, it all turned and seem like it was about to start but it didnt. ! so replaced the spark plugs because i had some laying around for my car, that didn't help at all. put the old ones back, nothing. disconnected the battery for a lil bit put it back, still nothing. The car seems like its about to start but nothing, just keeps turning. i really have no idea what this could be. Oh and i just bought my car on Thursday and havent had much of a chance to drive it, so this sucks really bad. if any one can help, it will be greatly appreciated.


- as i looked through the search a lil bit i read something about ticking in the front of your TB or something like that. But i think i experienced it, it kinda sounded like a dead battery clicking trying to start. the keys were in the ignition turned all the way before turning on the car. idk if that has anything to do with it???


PLEASE I WANNA DRIVE MY NEW CAR

 

[rob1621]

early morn. bump

 

[Splitpi]

Sounds like you need need to recheck your ISC connections/spark plug connections/BISS Screw tighness.

 

[rob1621]

well the biss screw was already tightend, the isc connector is connected. But what do you mean the spark plugs w/ the isc? I mean the car started fine and then idk, it just turns but doesnt start. i checked the plugs,put in new ones and still doesnt start, put in the old ones and still it doesnt start.

 

[Splitpi]

I meant check all your connections. Check that the spark plug wires are firmly attached to the spark plugs and the wires connected to the coil packs. Use some Dielectric grease if you aren't positive. Same thing with the ISC. Make sure the coil packs are connected.

Also the BISS screw should not be fully tightened. You may need to adjust it. Basically re-go over everything you touched and ensure it is reconnected properly. You obviously have power, but something isn't connected properly to get you spark to start the car. Did you disconnect the Crank Angle Sensor by chance? Cam Sensor? Anything else? Recheck all of this.

Also, make sure to put a battery charger on the car to charge up the battery so it isn't drained from all this dead cranking. Running a battery empty is a quick way to ruin a battery. You will need to disconnect the ground wire to the battery while charging it.

 

[Alliance0606]

You should probably change the oil and take the spark plugs back out and squirt a little bit of oil down each cylinder because you most likely flooded the motor from cranking it so much w/o spark. Now you dont have any compression for it to turn over!!!

 

[rob1621]

alright ill check all the fittings and spark plugs. I will probably change the oil pretty soon also. But i was asking my auto class teacher about it and he isnt that good of a mechanic but he said it could possibly be the fuel pump. Is thta possible? i havent had the recall done on the fuel pmp, so could that be it?

 

[dontfeedphils]

You probably have the BISS tightened too far down and now it just isn't letting enough air through to start or idle. Loosen it up and give it a try.

 

[ksengage]

it honestly sounds like it isnt getting fuel,,maybe bad fuel pump

 

[Splitpi]

I don't think its the fuel pump because you didn't touch it or the wiring (atleast didn't mention it). I.e. that variable was unchanged. I think its like I was saying earlier, you need to recheck everything you touched and make sure its connected properly and try different settings on the BISS.

 

[rob1621]

ok well for sure its not the tightness of the biss screw, i tightened it all the way in and out, still no starting. I disconnected the isc connector again then plugged it back in. still no starting. Whats going on????

-also have another question, if the isc connector is disconnected, will the car still still turn on, like on a different car not mine.?

 

[rob1621]

another question, how likely is it to be the ecu caps? because the car did make a ticking sound when the keys where in the ignition turned all the way on with out having the car actually on.

 

[twicks69]

Does this car have an aftermarket fuel pump (hardwired?)? As well, did you accidently disconnect the cam angle sensor? Having the cam angle sensor unplugged will allow the car to crank over forever, but will not turn on.

As well, please check the fuses in the engine bay (there is one for ignition; if it is blown, your car will not turn on). Also, be sure to check the wire connection for the ignitor.

It is likely not an ECU capacitor issue as that is much more normal for a 1G than for a late model 2G. Check your battery as well; if possible, jump the vehicle.

When you pulled the spark plugs last, were they black, wet, or smelling like gasoline after all your time trying to start the vehicle? If so, you flooded the car. As well, your base idle set screw should not be tightened all the way down because your car will have a very low idle and can easily be a reason for the car not staying running if it is stumbling on startup if you don't have the throttle opened up.

Location of the fuse box:

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[twicks69]

Finally, please do not seafoam your engine; it is not an effective fix for a problem. What symptoms was the car having in the first place that made you want to seafoam the engine?

 

[dsmzoom]

Is it a slow crank? maybe check your battery or alt if thats the case...Test the ISC with a volt meter and see how many ohms your getting you should be receiving 28-35ohms from each pin. But if its cranking normal speed I agree that I think it might be your car is not getting fuel..Have you recently changed the fuel filter? It may be time to replace it.

 

[spawn7037]

If you pull the spark plugs and smell gas you can rule out the fuel pump. Pull the spark plug wires, jam a screw driver in the end of the wire and get close to the head cover w/the screw driver. Have some one turn over the motor and it you see a spark between the screwdriver and the head cover then you know its not the ignition. (repeat these steps for all 4 wires) I'm willing to bet its the biss screw.

 

[rob1621]

ok first i will start by saying the only issues i had before this was the idle surge, and i didnt use the seafoam to fix it, i used it just to clean teh car out because it seemed like the car was sitting around a for a lil bit. But the car turned on fine after the seafoam.

-i dont believe its an aftermarket fuel pump, the guy i bought it from said except for the wheels and the springs the car was stock. and i im pretty sure i didnt disconnect the cam angle sensor. The only thing i disconnected was this:
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Thats all i disconnected, put it right back and the car didnt turn on.

-I am pretty positive its not the battery. But i will check.
-I will check the fuse.
-I will check the igniter
-And i will check if the plugs smell like gas adn have black oil around them


Another thing i want to mention is when i tried turn on the car last night, there was only one time when this happened, but there was a litle bit of smoke coming from behind the throttle body. This only happened once. But here is a picture i took and added smoke too..hehe

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[rob1621]

battery checked out ok

Fuse checked out ok

igniter connections checked ok...from what i saw


but the spark plugs did smell a little bit like gas, not too much, and had a lil bit of oil on them. but very very small amount

Some of you guys are saying its the biss screw, how could that be? i have tried turning it on with it all the way in, a little bit out, a litlle more, a little more, till its almost finally out.

WHAT CAN THIS BE?!?!?!

 

[dsmzoom]

If you've been cranking it over for a while with no start the engine should be flooded with gas if im not mistaken it should be pretty apparent smell of gas. I still think it may be something as minor as a fuel filter, its allowing gas to get through but reducing the pressure to less than nothing.

 

[rob1621]

ok say it is flooded...what do i do to get rid of that? also when im changing the oil and the oil filter, should i change the plugs?

 

[dsmzoom]

I'm not sure what the correct service maintenance schedule is, but i change my plugs every 3 oil changes. whens the last time you changed your plugs and wires?

 

[rob1621]

im not sure about the wires or plugs, but i have new plugs in my garage for the eclipse right now. so if i change my oil, oil filter, and plugs, that will get rid of the flooding? and possibly the car not starting?

 

[Splitpi]

Remove spark plugs crank a few times... dry spark plugs... install spark plugs.

 

[rob1621]

"Remove spark plugs crank a few times... dry spark plugs... install spark plugs." that will get rid of the flooding? aight, ill try it out, idk if i can get oil tonight or tomorrow, but i will post up what happens.

 

[rob1621]

ok havent done the oil yet but i was examining the motor and i found this

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I am missing a m*****F******belt

could this possibly be my problem?