Tranny wont stay in 3rd and 5th

[white90gsx]

I was driving to work on Monday and I was on the interstate and my car would not stay in 5th gear so after it kept popping out I decided to hold it in gear for at least 40 miles then when I got off my exit I couldn't get it in any gear. When I pulled over after a while I was able to get it into gear and now when I drive it it keeps popping out of 3rd and 5th but stays in all the other gears but it is very hard to shift through the other. Now also when my clutch is disengaged I hear a really bad rattle like the throw out bearing is bad.
What can this be????


Thanks

 

[94_eclipse]

It sounds like a clutch problem to me, could have a air lock in the line or a bad master cylinder. But what gets me is it not wanting to stay in gear, that could be a synconiser problem. Check out the clutch first, try bleading it and go from there.

 

[white90gsx]

Ok I will keep you posted..

 

[white90gsx]

Nope...Bleeding didn't fix anything...Im more worried about the car staying in gear.

 

[brute]

The fact that it's 3rd and 5th is very suspect to me. If you think about it, these gears use the same gate to click in. What I would try is adjusting your shift cables.

What you need to do is disconnect them via cotter key, figure out where the max throw is, and adjust the cable to fit to that. I hope you understand, but you're just going to be breaking a lock-nut loose and tightening or loosening the cable to make it work.

Here's my paint-drawing about how to adjust the cable(s):

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Good luck

 

[white90gsx]

Yea I dont quite understand all the way.

 

[marsh63]

mine didnt want to stay in gear either tured out my bushings for my cables were worn. i also had to adjust the cables to. my syncros got trashed thoughin the time it took me to fix it

 

[white90gsx]

It must be late so Im gonna go to bed maybe Ill understand better tomorrow.

 

[Old Mitsu Tech]

You could be the lucky recipient of counter gear bearings and input bearings starting to fail. Synchronizers could also be part of the issue. Drain the fluid and see if you have any metal parts or pieces that are "gritty" to the touch. Hopefully not.

 

[EagleTalonTim]

my N/T car did the exact same thing to me out of the blue one day and it turned out to by the round spring that pushes in reverse and fifth gear. It is located under the end cap on the transmission.

 

[white90gsx]

my N/T car did the exact same thing to me out of the blue one day and it turned out to by the round spring that pushes in reverse and fifth gear. It is located under the end cap on the transmission.

I dont know much about trannys maybe could you give me a pic or something that could help....Id really appreciate it..

 

[Rex2342]

Do 2g transmissions have the same problems as 1g? This sounds like the nut came loose from under the side cover. My 1g did this a few times and I always lost 5th

 

[1gcrazy]

Nope from what i've learned over the years, you can not adjust the linkage in a 2g.

 

[white90gsx]

The fact that it's 3rd and 5th is very suspect to me. If you think about it, these gears use the same gate to click in. What I would try is adjusting your shift cables.

What you need to do is disconnect them via cotter key, figure out where the max throw is, and adjust the cable to fit to that. I hope you understand, but you're just going to be breaking a lock-nut loose and tightening or loosening the cable to make it work.

Here's my paint-drawing about how to adjust the cable(s):

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Good luck

So does this still apply?

 

[turboglenn]

Nope from what i've learned over the years, you can not adjust the linkage in a 2g.

Correct.. i've had mine apart at both ends and there's no adjustment n the 2g cables..unless i'm blind or got an odd-ball set

popping out of gear sounde to me like an internal tranny issue and not shifter adjustment, but i could be wrong..i'm leaning towards the loose 36mm nut on teh gear shaft under teh back tranny case or the spring that was mentioned by Rex2342

 

[white90gsx]

Yes to me I think its the tranny because I was holding it with all my might and it would violently rip out of gear!

 

[brute]

Woops didn't see it was a 2g. In a 1g, you can adjust the cables under the shift boot at the shifter base. It just consists of a threaded adjustment barrel and two lock nuts. So my diagram still applies, just to 1g's not 2g's

 

[Rex2342]

Yes to me I think its the tranny because I was holding it with all my might and it would violently rip out of gear!

Take off the passenger side wheel and you should see the cover for the transmission. Check it for any signs of damage like dents or cracks. I would drain the fluid and pull this cover off and check the nuts underneath that hold the gear sets in place. My 1g just did this a few months ago. I had the same trouble with 5th popping out but 3rd was just hard to get in. My cover was cracked and leaking fluid. What happens is the 36mm nuts backs off by itself and the entire gear set slams into this cover while shifting. I caught mine early and saved the transmission but the previous owner of my car wasn't so lucky. This problem is very common on 1gs so I'd imagine 2gs would suffer from it as they get older.

 

[dsm-onster]

Do 2g transmissions have the same problems as 1g? This sounds like the nut came loose from under the side cover. My 1g did this a few times and I always lost 5th

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Take off the passenger side wheel and you should see the cover for the transmission. Check it for any signs of damage like dents or cracks. I would drain the fluid and pull this cover off and check the nuts underneath that hold the gear sets in place. My 1g just did this a few months ago. I had the same trouble with 5th popping out but 3rd was just hard to get in. My cover was cracked and leaking fluid. What happens is the 36mm nuts backs off by itself and the entire gear set slams into this cover while shifting. I caught mine early and saved the transmission but the previous owner of my car wasn't so lucky. This problem is very common on 1gs so I'd imagine 2gs would suffer from it as they get older.

Ditto. I had te same problem. With my n/t 1992 and my 1990 turbo. Can't validate a 2G having the same symptoms, though. But, it's likely. . .

 

[28-psi]

Take off the passenger side wheel and you should see the cover for the transmission. Check it for any signs of damage like dents or cracks. I would drain the fluid and pull this cover off and check the nuts underneath that hold the gear sets in place. My 1g just did this a few months ago. I had the same trouble with 5th popping out but 3rd was just hard to get in. My cover was cracked and leaking fluid. What happens is the 36mm nuts backs off by itself and the entire gear set slams into this cover while shifting. I caught mine early and saved the transmission but the previous owner of my car wasn't so lucky. This problem is very common on 1gs so I'd imagine 2gs would suffer from it as they get older.

Rex is right...but on the FWD you dont have to drain the tranny. The nut that he is speaking of will have to be tightened then use a flat head screw driver and a hammer to crimp the two sides of the nut on to the shaft so that it stays in place.

 

[white90gsx]

Rex is right...but on the FWD you dont have to drain the tranny. The nut that he is speaking of will have to be tightened then use a flat head screw driver and a hammer to crimp the two sides of the nut on to the shaft so that it stays in place.

So the case is still on the passenger side?

 

[28-psi]

Correct...just remove the three 12mm bolts from the fender liner to expose the end of the tranny and you're all set.

 

[white90gsx]

Well I took it off and it was on the driver side REMEMBER its a 420a the passenger side would be the timing belt all I got was a plate with like 15 bolts and when it was off there were two blue circles of something and no nuts what so ever.

 

[zimfro]

I never saw you mention that it was a 2g with a 420a. Your profile says it is a 95 Talon TSI. Maybe the 420a Tech section would be a better place to go.

 

[Rex2342]

Well I took it off and it was on the driver side REMEMBER its a 420a the passenger side would be the timing belt all I got was a plate with like 15 bolts and when it was off there were two blue circles of something and no nuts what so ever.

Ok well there goes that diagnosis. I was under the impression your car was a TSi and therefore had a 4g63 not the 420a. You should correct your profile to avoid further confusion. The transmissions are completely different for the 420a so the problem I described doesn't exist with your car.