Noob Logger Question

[blackmirage]

Ok, I'm trying to decide what logger to purchase.. right now all imma do is get a keydiver chip an afc and a logger.. just not sure which one I need. My first baby step in my goal of higher power is just to obtain 15psi on the 14b, and then continue to go from there as money allows. I'm going to follow the path that is laid out on this page.. But I've seen alot of logger software and machines.. I saw one on DSMParts and then I hear about MMCD on a palm pilot type deal.. Which one is better for my first steps here?

 

[bling5tatus]

I've got pocketlogger, although it costs money, the forums offer good support and the software/cable is high quality. I'd recommend it to anyone. I have a similar setup to you. For reference my palm pilot is an m505 and it works great.

edit: pocketlogger.com

 

[JohnCIV_Talon]

If your not looking to spend alot of money on a palm, the palm m105 is great. Dont get the m100, waste of money.

 

[blackmirage]

ok went to pocketlogger.com So for 100.00 I get a cord and software.. It says I also need a palm pilot, (of course) and the other thing it says is I need a A Serial Hotsync cable for your PDA... WHAT is that and where do I get it? I'll prob end up going with DSMLink later on anywayz.. but for now this will work with what I'm trying to accomplish in these first few little baby steps of ultimate power, right?? .. Thanks for the help..

 

[spyderturbo007]

ok went to pocketlogger.com So for 100.00 I get a cord and software.. It says I also need a palm pilot, (of course) and the other thing it says is I need a A Serial Hotsync cable for your PDA... WHAT is that and where do I get it? I'll prob end up going with DSMLink later on anywayz.. but for now this will work with what I'm trying to accomplish in these first few little baby steps of ultimate power, right?? .. Thanks for the help..

Yep, software and an interface cable is what you get. A Hotsync cable is what you use to interface the Palm with your PC. You will attach one end of the cable to the Palm, the other end goes to the cable from Pocketlogger and then the Pocketlogger cable gets plugged into the OBD-II port.

This is a cable for the m105.

I would suggest that you go for at least the m130 Palm, since it has rechargable batteries. The m105 doesn't so every time you need to replace the batteries, you have to reload the software and input your byte timing settings again. It's a pain in the butt.

As for "ultimate power", the chip, SAFC and logger combination will be fine for now, but why not just start with DSMLink?

 

[kmoore]

What about a Palm IIIc? or xe, etc.?

 

[spyderturbo007]

Check the compatibility list.

 

[bling5tatus]

Yeah you're going to have to spend a little bit of money to get the serial cable and palm. If you look at the pocketlogger forums, there are links to refurbished palms. Pawn shops are a good place to check too as they will be very cheap there. I bought my serial hotsync cable from www.pdaparts.com... they sent me the right thing, I plugged it into my car the palm fired up and logged with no problems on the first try.

 

[Eastwood95]

Did you see www.obdloggers.com ?

Dual logger is $140 shipped, and comes with everything you need.....

 

[DSMunknown]

I would suggest that you go for at least the m130 Palm, since it has rechargable batteries. The m105 doesn't so every time you need to replace the batteries, you have to reload the software and input your byte timing settings again. It's a pain in the butt.

I wish I knew that before I made my purchases.

 

[blackmirage]

So has anyone used this OBDLogger? Is the palm decent, is the software good? I'm just looking for something temp, until I get DSM Link next year..

 

[spyderturbo007]

I wish I knew that before I made my purchases.

Well, Anthony, you should have asked.

 

[JohnCIV_Talon]

Are you sure they dont recharge, the battery on mine hasnt went down since i got it, and i have used it quite a bit.

 

[spyderturbo007]

Do you mean when it's plugged into the OBD-II port, if so, it doesn't.

 

[FORMONTOYA]

As for "ultimate power", the chip, SAFC and logger combination will be fine for now, but why not just start with DSMLink?

While I agree that DSMLink is the best choice for a street/track car, easy to use and tune with; it's a fairly expensive setup to the first combo for a beginner that does not yet know if they will stick with it or not. The first combo can be had for less than $500 while a DSMLink setup will push $1000. Plus if you can tune the SAFC then DSMLink will be gold in comparison.

 

[Eastwood95]

The reason I mentioned OBDloggers is because it's the one I'm using. It comes with instructions and everything you need. It's the Palm III, it uses OBDGAUGE and PALMNSTEIN software. It comes with all cables and Software CD. You can log, read/clear CEL's, and monitor tons of information. It's easy to use, cheap, and it gets the job done.

 

[spyderturbo007]

While I agree that DSMLink is the best choice for a street/track car, easy to use and tune with; it's a fairly expensive setup to the first combo for a beginner that does not yet know if they will stick with it or not. The first combo can be had for less than $500 while a DSMLink setup will push $1000. Plus if you can tune the SAFC then DSMLink will be gold in comparison.

Very true, I was just going with my experience of kicking myself in the butt sometimes for going with the SAFC / Logger combination. I wish I had known what I know now.......Oh, well, live and learn.

 

[DSMunknown]

Well, Anthony, you should have asked.

Guess I'll be looking for an M130 PDA this summer. Just wanted your thoughts on this related topic that was recently discussed. I suspect it would simply be easier to go with a rechargeable PDA, but the possibility still stands.

I wish I had known what I know now.......Oh, well, live and learn.

You've been saying that a lot lately.

 

[blackmirage]

So with all that being said I have some more questions and rather than start yet another thread, I will ask some questions in here.. First of all let me say the entire car is gutted. Its a 90 AWD Talon. The car is STRICTLY track.. I have 4 other cars to drive on a daily. I do not want nor need to drive this car on the street.. There is only HALF a dash, nothing under the dash all A/C and heater stuff is gone.. Cruise Control is deleted, soon to move battery to back and wanting to remove all vacuum lines I can.. this is a race car and nothing less. I'm running a 14b and all is stock except for a 2g tb elbow.. the exhaust is stock but stops at the downpipe.. and it will stay that way.. here are my plans.. I plan on getting the Following

GT DSM High Flow Manifold : dsmparts.com
Evo II O2 Housing : dsmparts.com
2.5" DP : Punishment Racing
Catch Can

255 fuel pump? should I go with the 255 or is the 190 enough and just sell the 190 when it comes time to go to the 255?

Act 2100

FMIC? unishment Racing --- I figure why not, it cant hurt right, plus it will do away with the crappy hose I had to go with when I got the 2g tb elbow. old hose wouldnt fit over the new elbow.

Logger: obdloggers.com
Keydiver Stage III
SAFC
Hallman MBC
Another Boost guage from Prosport and also an EGT Guage (dont like the boost guage I have)
Injectors? 650ish? or stay in the 550ish range?

I will eventually be upgrading to a larger turbo when the time comes, but my MAIN question is what size injectors should I get to run with the 14b for now and then still be able to use once I upgrade to the 16g or 50 trim or is it even possible to buy a set of injectors and still have room on them for when I go with the larger turbo.. I'm learning please bare with me. Does the current list look decent enough.. I figure I'll turn up the boost to 15 and leave it at that and then leave the motor alone and start working on the suspension wheels tires and rest of the drivetrain like the 4bolt rear etc etc.. Any and all Constructive Criticism is welcome.. Please voice your oppinion.. Thanks for letting me ramble on and on..

 

[bling5tatus]

I would say get some 650s... but really, how does your post pertain to a datalogging question what so ever?

 

[blackmirage]

It doesnt but I figured y start yet another thread, you guys have pointed me in the right direction on the logger, that which is part of my plan and I was just asking for some advice on the REST of the plan.. I dunno, if I really need to I can remove it and start another thread if its an issue.. I just didnt see the point in starting another thread because basically I was asking for advice .. but whichever, if need be i'll start another one.

 

[Talesin]

I'm wondering how he figures a grand for DSMLink. Which is the way to go, unless you're going to shell out for the much more complicated and difficult to tune AEM EMS. An SAFC/logger can't hold half a candle to DSMLink, especially with a wideband O2 wired to one of the 'spare' ECU inputs.

Keydiver ($140) + SAFC ($200) + logger ($50-150) = $390-490.
DSMLink ($595) + WBO2 ($200) = ~$800, but a car that runs MUCH better, with a far more precise tune, and no limitation on injector size. Oh, and no chopping the harness into bits.. yay for plug and play.
If you're already shelling out, why go for second-best... when you'll probably end up paying for the best down the road, when you hit the limitations of your setup? Oh, and cut it to $600 if you want to just roll-tune. The WBO2 is really nice to have, but not a neccessity.

I sympathize with the 2G guys that have to buy an ECU or deal with the limitations of an SAFC. But the OP has a '90. Pretty good chances he's got an EPROM model to start with, if he's already going for a keydiver EPROM replacement.

 

[bling5tatus]

You're leaving out the very integral price of a laptop.... which some of us don't have.

 

[blackmirage]

I do have a laptop. damn "A" key does not work, but thats prob fixable.. so in my case its not an issue, however for others, you are very correct.. a laptop IS a very integral part that would add to the price.

 

[eldiabloz13]

I'm wondering how he figures a grand for DSMLink. Which is the way to go, unless you're going to shell out for the much more complicated and difficult to tune AEM EMS. An SAFC/logger can't hold half a candle to DSMLink, especially with a wideband O2 wired to one of the 'spare' ECU inputs.

Keydiver ($140) + SAFC ($200) + logger ($50-150) = $390-490.
DSMLink ($595) + WBO2 ($200) = ~$800, but a car that runs MUCH better, with a far more precise tune, and no limitation on injector size. Oh, and no chopping the harness into bits.. yay for plug and play.
If you're already shelling out, why go for second-best... when you'll probably end up paying for the best down the road, when you hit the limitations of your setup? Oh, and cut it to $600 if you want to just roll-tune. The WBO2 is really nice to have, but not a neccessity.

I sympathize with the 2G guys that have to buy an ECU or deal with the limitations of an SAFC. But the OP has a '90. Pretty good chances he's got an EPROM model to start with, if he's already going for a keydiver EPROM replacement.

A keydriver chip dosent usually need a SAFC. Thats just for a real fine tune. Its more recommended.

Also dsmlink....yehhhhh. Dsmlink itself,getting a ep-rom ECU. Socketing it. Laptop. Then usually a wideband.
Lets just face it....dsmlink is damn expensive. Plain and simple.