I am doing a 6 bolt block swap, anything I should be worried about?

[96gstdsm]

Ok well I am going to have a 6 bolt block installed on my daily driver in a week or two. I had it fully rebuilt by overbore.com with 1g rods and 2g pistons with balance shafts removed. I'm going to be using arp head studs, mls headgasket, prothane motor mounts, 190 fuel pump, 650cc injectors, big 16g ported, ported exhaust manifold, ported o2 housing, 3" catback, going to get a downpipe, Hopefully fmic, if not then a supra sidemount.

I think I should have all the parts I need for the swap just waiting on my hall effect CAS to arrive. I also got the 6 bolt oil pan, 6 bolt, lower timing belt cover, timing belt of course, new oil pump, and water pump, 6 bolt fidanza flywheel, rewiring the fuel pump, and I also got a 2g install kit for the 16g. I also got ecu+ to tune with.

I have read from a bunch of people that are always saying how after a 6 bolt swap or any swap your always gonna have to replace much more. Is that usually the case? I have already spent like 5 grand on parts and install costs coming up included.

Are there likely problems that I would run into being it is a 96 gst with all stock parts for the most part? Anything I am missing?
I am going to hopefully have it running around 300whp as my daily driver, and I really want it to last a long time! I am going to, after breaking it in for some time, take it to get professionally dyno tuned so I don't have to worry about me screwing up tuning and destroying my car.

Assuming the engine has been rebuilt well, and the installer is as good as he seems, are there still frequent things that would most likely break or not work well together?
Anymore info or suggestions would be much appreciated. I don't want to halt my project waiting on one small part to arrive.
Oh and also yes I did want to build up my 2g head, but funds kinda ran out so just doing the block and fuel/turbo for now.

 

[MyÜberFastGSX]

WOW... You're in the exact same boat I was in for the last 3 months. I just spent a little over $6000 on my 6 bolt swap, and I did all the work myself, so I didn't have to pay for any install. But other than that, were in the same situation. I even had to rebuild my head stock ### I didn't want to spend anymore money by doing the head. So I just used my 3g head and redid it. I've got about 500 miles on mine now.

What I'm about to tell you is a long hard lesson that I've had to learn, so you can take it and run, or fight it and find out for yourself later.

"Twice As Much, Twice As Long."

Anything you do will cost you twice as much as you think it's gonna cost you, and it will take you twice as long as you thought it was gonna take you. Once you figure that out, you'll be fine.

As far as your list goes, I noticed you didn't have a 6 bolt hydraulic tensioner on there, and I don't remember whether or not you had a 6 bolt oil cooler/oil filter assembly housing.

If you have any other specific questions, feel free to ask.

 

[LeeHarsh95GSX]

So glad I just spent the money for the complete and had Full Function do it for me... Didn't even want the headache...

 

[Nicks2319]

6bolt turbo water pipe. Are you running a 2g head?

My swap came to about 3500 total, with a rebuilt longblock from Kar King.

 

[96gstdsm]

WOW... You're in the exact same boat I was in for the last 3 months. I just spent a little over $6000 on my 6 bolt swap, and I did all the work myself, so I didn't have to pay for any install. But other than that, were in the same situation. I even had to rebuild my head stock ### I didn't want to spend anymore money by doing the head. So I just used my 3g head and redid it. I've got about 500 miles on mine now.

What I'm about to tell you is a long hard lesson that I've had to learn, so you can take it and run, or fight it and find out for yourself later.

"Twice As Much, Twice As Long."

Anything you do will cost you twice as much as you think it's gonna cost you, and it will take you twice as long as you thought it was gonna take you. Once you figure that out, you'll be fine.

As far as your list goes, I noticed you didn't have a 6 bolt hydraulic tensioner on there, and I don't remember whether or not you had a 6 bolt oil cooler/oil filter assembly housing.

If you have any other specific questions, feel free to ask.

Thats what I keep hearing from people, but why? This is my daily driver so I can not afford downtime so I am bringing it to shop to be professionally installed. What is there that should take twice as long? What would I need to spend twice as much money on? I just don't get it, when everything is rebuilt or brand new, and being installed at a dsm shop. From talking with the guy who built my engine and the guy who is going to install it, I seem to have pretty much everything I should be needing.
What are some examples of the stuff that doubles the time and cost?

Oh and regarding the 6 bolt oil cooler, that is necessary? I never have seen that listed on any site's list for the 6 bolt swap.

regarding the 6 bolt water pipe, talking with my installer they said I could reuse my 2g one. yes I am using my 2g head.

 

[Nicks2319]

Since you are using a 2g head, your 2g water pipe will work.

As far as the oil cooler, your 2g oil cooler WILL NOT bolt up to the 6bolt block. You either need a 6bolt water cooled oil cooler, or you need a 90 style cooler with an external air cooled oil cooler.

 

[EagleTalonRacer]

you just cant bolt on the oil cooler back on? will it mess up oil pressure readings?

 

[Nicks2319]

you just cant bolt on the oil cooler back on? will it mess up oil pressure readings?

It literally doesnt fit. There is a 90 style housing for sale in the classifieds right now, all you would need is the lines and cooler. Go that route if you have the cash. If not, find a 6bolt water cooled oil cooler.

 

[96gstdsm]

WOW... You're in the exact same boat I was in for the last 3 months. I just spent a little over $6000 on my 6 bolt swap, and I did all the work myself, so I didn't have to pay for any install. But other than that, were in the same situation. I even had to rebuild my head stock ### I didn't want to spend anymore money by doing the head. So I just used my 3g head and redid it. I've got about 500 miles on mine now.

What I'm about to tell you is a long hard lesson that I've had to learn, so you can take it and run, or fight it and find out for yourself later.

"Twice As Much, Twice As Long."

Anything you do will cost you twice as much as you think it's gonna cost you, and it will take you twice as long as you thought it was gonna take you. Once you figure that out, you'll be fine.

As far as your list goes, I noticed you didn't have a 6 bolt hydraulic tensioner on there, and I don't remember whether or not you had a 6 bolt oil cooler/oil filter assembly housing.

If you have any other specific questions, feel free to ask.

Wow that is a huge understatement for me!!!
I started the whole build right after my initial post here. My car is still at the shop. I have spent about 8 grand total now I think. I have basically bought every performance part I could but still. Got it back and then next day it billowed white smoke so back it went and been another month and half already.
Did not rebuild the head originally which was a mistake but not it will be fully built with BC 272's skunk2 cam gears BC valve springs and mitsu performance retainers.

I originally thought it would be 2 weeks, so now been 2 1/2 months and at least twice the money now.
Combine this with untrustworthy places, dealing with two separate places, 1 the builder and 2 the installer, and me not going for the rebuilt long block initially.
hopefully 1 or 2 more weeks max now. That is if the mysterious white smoke is gone then
If anyone knows here is my post regarding the white smoke out my exhaust.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=265072&highlight=6+bolt+swap+white+smoke

 

[strippedlug]

I feel your pain. I always suggest doing it yourself if you have the knowledge and hands. Simply because any technician can say they will take their time, do it right, they've done thousands, nothing to worry about, they're maticulous, etc, etc, etc. But when you leave that shop and your hard earned cash at the shop, you just don't know. I've done my own 6 bolt swaps and have been very pleased. Not to mention after you're done, you'll know your car inside and out. LITERALLY! It took me 2 days to complete my swap, after 2 months of the block and head at the machine shop ,grrrrr. If you have any questions feel free to ask. If you haven't already checked it out, go to www.roadraceengineering.com. They've basically made a step by step bible of how to properly do your swap. Print it out and give it to your mechanic, no matter how stubborn he is. GOOD LUCK MAN!

 

[96gstdsm]

I feel your pain. I always suggest doing it yourself if you have the knowledge and hands. Simply because any technician can say they will take their time, do it right, they've done thousands, nothing to worry about, they're maticulous, etc, etc, etc. But when you leave that shop and your hard earned cash at the shop, you just don't know. I've done my own 6 bolt swaps and have been very pleased. Not to mention after you're done, you'll know your car inside and out. LITERALLY! It took me 2 days to complete my swap, after 2 months of the block and head at the machine shop ,grrrrr. If you have any questions feel free to ask. If you haven't already checked it out, go to www.roadraceengineering.com. They've basically made a step by step bible of how to properly do your swap. Print it out and give it to your mechanic, no matter how stubborn he is. GOOD LUCK MAN!

Hey thanks. The place I brought it to have done tons of 6 bolt swaps. Somewhere along the lines something got messed up. About 100 miles after I got it back it started billowing white smoke out the exhaust and leaking liquid from in between the exhaust manifold and the head.
Compression test was good, head had no cracks but was warped and needed to be resurfaced. I told the installer to re surface it if needed but he didn't saying it worked before so it should be good still( horrible logic there). At this point I really wish I had done it myself. Was supposed to take 2 weeks total to get it done at that place including installing new fuel pump, rewiring it, prothane motor mounts, new turbo etc, since I work a lot I figured that would be worth it to get it done fast. Well like I said been almost 3 months I think total now so would have been better off doing it myself.
So after all this my head is about to be ready and I am going to pray that that was the problem with the white smoke. If it's not then I am screwed and might have to try to get rid of the car unfortunately.
If anyone can take a look at the link I put in my lost post here and give some suggestions as to what it might be if you know that would be really helpful.