4 Puck or Street Clutch?...

[KnightHawk434th]

what is the advantage of a 4-puck over a street disc (or vice versa). here are the two kits i'm looking at...

Street Disc

4 Puck Disc

yes the 4 puck is a stage 3 and the street is a 2+ but just looking at the discs themselves other than the fact that the 4 puck can hold more power. will i need to rebuild my tranny for one or the other or could i put either of these kits on my stock (as far as i know of) tranny?

 

[daren_p]

The 4 puck will offer greater holding ability but will lose some driveability vs the street disk as they tend to chatter on engagement & you aren't usually able to slip them as much as they tend to grab & go. This isn't specific to these clutches, just the differences in general as some puck styles are better then others for driveability.

 

[kspharris]

I would go with the street disc. and not the 4 puck. The 4 puck will hold more power but is not forgiving. The street disc will be more forgiving on your tranny and flywheel. Read this. Hope this helped, Keith.

 

[mygsx2120]

Puck style clutches are a pain in street driven cars. I have a SPEC stage 3 puck clutch in my nissan 200sx se-r and I regret it. They are way too grabby, you can't slip them at all. It makes going to a drive thru a pain in the ass. On the other hand I have an A.C.T. street disc in my GSX and I'm in love with it.

Go for the street disc, it will hold plenty of power and you will enjoy driving your car more. Puck clutches are made for tracks only pretty much. Trust me, I have both. You have no need for the puck disc, and also the puck with be harder on your tranny. It grabs harder, so there is more shock on the drivetrain I believe.

 

[kspharris]

I also wanted to say that I read somewhere on here, I believe, that a puck style will never turn to kitty hair no matter how hot it gets and that the heat will transfer from your disc to your flywheel and eventually crack it or it will explode taking with it your tranny and possibly more. The street disc will turn to kitty hair if it gets really hot. Which would you rather replace a clutch or a transmission, flywheel, clutch, possibly engine parts, a leg and possibly an arm? Keith.

 

[vr4play]

i run a 4 puck, and luv it. street disk was too wimpy, so I went to a sprung 6puck. The sprung disk let some springs loose. I had a 4 puck on the shelf. I thought it would be to grabby too, but i like it.

 

[flashburn02]

I am surprised no one has said get an act 2600 with a 6 puck.

That is what I run, it will hold at least 300 HP and it is completely drivable.

Its also cheaper and not from ebay.

 

[daren_p]

Its also cheaper and not from ebay.

Just because its listed on Ebay doesn't mean it's crap. There are a tonn of good/legit products on Ebay, just have to know what your looking for/do you research. Spec is a very reputable company, so I wouldn't judge just because someone has them for sale on Ebay.

 

[onegeenewbie]

I had a 6 puck in my jetta before, and it's not as grabby as my friends 4 puck, but it holds a lot better than a disc type. I Liked it a lot, and it was good for me driving around town everyday, especially since the clutch is hydraulic.

It was specs stage 3 i believe.

 

[pur97tsifwd]

If i was you i would go with the slowboy racing 3500 6 puck or street disk they are more forgiving and will hold alot of power for around 350 and you get new throw out bearing and alignment tool just go to slowboyracing.com

 

[mygsx2120]

Plenty of people use the A.C.T. 2600 pressure plate with the street disc and make 400 AWHP. I am personally running this setup and couldn't be more pleased. I also agree with whoever suggested the slowboy racing 3500. I have read plenty of great things about it.

I does come to personal preference, but the clutch is one place that you don't want to over engineer you car. If you do decide to get a puck, make sure it has a sprung disc. If you search you will find plenty of threads with people who bought too much of a clutch and regret it. Also, if you are buying a flywheel too, understand the an 8 lb. flywheel with drop rev so fast it makes the car less streetable. You can go too light.

 

[KnightHawk434th]

thanks all for the great advice...looks like i'll be going with the 2+ street disc. i was originally gonna go for the SBR 3500 but the kit isn't made for my car...only 4G63's, not my 420A. i was also reading that 6 pucks are notorious for tearing trannies unless they are rebuilt, which i haven't the funds for as of yet. this could be just one person's observations, but i don't wanna chance it. plus my car is 80% daily driver and only about 20% race...i'm one of those weekend racers, or someone who finds a pick up race in the early afternoon when school lets out. but for the majority of the time i'm driving on the street.

 

[flashburn02]

Just because its listed on Ebay doesn't mean it's crap. There are a tonn of good/legit products on Ebay, just have to know what your looking for/do you research. Spec is a very reputable company, so I wouldn't judge just because someone has them for sale on Ebay.

Oh, I am not judging it for being an ebay product. I am judging it for being more cumbersome to do a return if he gets sent the wrong product. You can't beat calling Slow Boy Racing and be on the phone with someone who knows what you are buying and can suggest other things for you. Not to mention my ACT 2600 kit was cheaper than his ebay listing.

Believe me, I know the value of Ebay, I am in college after all...

 

[1gcrazy]

I agree with buying from a vendor and I like slowboyracing but i've heard some horror stories which will have me spending a few dollars more to make sure I get great customer service, not just mediocre.
Anyways, since this isn't about vendor choice. I would probably recommend the street disc. Thats what i'm planning on running. I have reasons but i'm too lazy to explain. Maybe i'll add a little later on...

 

[gdmbat85]

id suggest a street disk if you have a stock tranny and drivetrain. youll wind up destroying stuff with a 4 puck. if anything consider a 6 puck as they are a little more forgiving than the 4 pucks. also consider the power your making. do you need a puck disk? is this a daily driver? also take into consideration where you live. lots of stop and go traffic? make your decision based on those things.

 

[DGajre777]

If you want a puck disc, get a 6 puck and not a 4 puck. Sprung clutch discs are easier on the drivetrain than unsprung discs and engage smoother than unsprung ones.

An ACT 2100 with their 6 puck disc holds more torque than an ACT 2600 with a full face disc and has less pedal pressure. Here's my thread... http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256065

Also, clutches are rated for torque, not HP.

 

[smores114]

my ACT2600 is rated for 370 wheel torque MB1XTSS is the code for mine.

 

[DGajre777]

ACT 2100 Heavy Duty Sprung 6-Puck Clutch Kit : Mitsubishi Eclipse 90-99 #19124

Clutch Kit Number: MB1-HDG6
Torque Capacity: 412
Pressure Increase: 27% Over Stock
ACT Pressure Plate: MB-010
ACT Disc: 6224204


ACT 2600 Xtreme Street Clutch Kit : Mitsubishi Eclipse 90-99 #16365

Clutch Kit Number: MB1-XTSS
Torque Capacity: 400
Pressure Increase: 58% Over Stock
ACT Pressure Plate: MB-010X
ACT Disc: 3000303

 

[esoung]

I am surprised no one has said get an act 2600 with a 6 puck.

That is what I run, it will hold at least 300 HP and it is completely drivable.

Its also cheaper and not from ebay.

ACT 2600 will do 400+ lb/tq is completely drivable just a lot stiffer.

 

[Jeff_Ciesielski]

An ACT 2100 with their 6 puck disc holds more torque than an ACT 2600 with a full face disc and has less pedal pressure. Here's my thread... http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256065

I second that, My friend is running this set up at 21 psi on a big 16g. Holds solid, launches like a monster, and its girlfriend friendly

 

[dsm-onster]

DGajre777, you're on to something. I never hear of anyone complaining about a puck style disk slipping even w/ weaker pressure plates. Several setups I've run on my turbo ford all have less clamping force than the act 2600. I've even run a stock pressureplate w/ a puck styld disk on that car w/ a 1.7 60 ft and pulling out a 115 mph trap speed. ALL presureplates did good w/ a puck style disk and M/Ts cutting 1.6 60fts all day long. A hot puck style clutch really increases the frictional coefficient and thus the resistance to spin in the pressureplate. I also suspect that a hot puck expands. Especially noticable in my DSM, the clutch grabs higher during the pedal throw when warmed up.

For me, I chose an SBR 3500 pressureplate. It supposedly has a clamping force much like the act 2600. And has a nearly stock pedal pressure. I run a clutchnet sprung 6 puck. I really, truely feel no chatter at all. And I have all welded motormounts. It is very surprisingly streetable. My wife drove it to work for 6 months straight, while the camry was down.

I'll bet an oem DSM pressureplate and a puck style disk will hold significant power and be a far cheaper upgrade than a PP and performance street disk.

 

[importpower99]

if you are driving the car on the street, get the street. If this car is track only then get the puck. IF you drive this car on the street with the 4-puck you will just destroy it. Their not made for daily driving.

 

[1g_tsi_awd]

Well, I had a 6 puck clutch and didn't mind it at all. You just have to have a little more startup room than a regular clutch, like at first keep a good 2-3 car lengths in traffic situations. But in high traffic situations they suck. And remember, A puck clutch grabs harder which causes the input shafts to want to move which can lead to broken seals which can lead to a lot of work... Also, puck clutches tend to have a shorter lfie span than a street disk. There are pros and cons to both, if you can drive both, I would reccomend doing so as it would help the decision quite a bit.

 

[dsm-onster]

if you are driving the car on the street, get the street. If this car is track only then get the puck. IF you drive this car on the street with the 4-puck you will just destroy it. Their not made for daily driving.

If you're runnign over 400hp no matter what it's a good idea to get a puck style clutch. MANY of use run quite a bit over that on the street. So what do we do, when we're FWD and we're STILL able to shear a street disk into two pieces and our car has otherwise great street manners?

You will not destroy a clutch or the car by running a race disk on the street. Depending on the version and brand and options, you may certainly have an annoying street setup. But nothing will fall apart.

 

[DSMunknown]

IMHO I would rarely suggest a 4 or 6 puck disc for a daily driver.