Current Build Setup 550hp(goal)

[adamsdarin]

My current setup for a 550hp build. Currently I have a completely stock 1995 Eagle Talon.
I'm still looking into several parts in which I still would need for this upgrade. Any suggestions are welcome thanks.


Order of Presidence

Fuel Pump Walbro 255 109.00(Slow Boy Racing)
Injectors 850cc Injectors 280(Slow Boy Racing)
Wide Band O2 Sensor AEM Six-In-One Gauge 289(Slow Boy Racing)
Fuel Pressure Regulator 240(Slow Boy Racing)
DSM Link 550(Slow Boy Racing)


Engine 5988(Slow Boy Racing)
Engine Mounts Energy Suspension 79.99(Slow Boy Racing)
Clutch ACT 2900 512.40(Slow Boy Racing)

Front Mount Intercooler
Blow Off Valve
MAF Translator
Fluidyne Radiator 389(Slow Boy Racing)

Turbo
Exhaust Manifold
External Wastegate

 

[wvturbo2]

Check out Extremepsi.com for some parts. You'll probably be wanting some cams as well.What turbo do you plan on running ?

 

[wangboy925]

Fuel pressure regualtors run around 150 not 240. That's way over priced.

 

[IslandTSI]

What good is just a fuel pressure regulator that you cant hook up. $240 is what the kits cost

 

[snowborder714]

You can get an Aeromotive AFPR kit from www.importevolution.com for a little less than $240. There's two kits - one with stainless steel lines and one without. You also have the option to add on a gauge for $20.

Non-SS Kit
http://www.importevolution.com/product_info.php?cPath=24_45&products_id=1620

SS Kit
http://www.importevolution.com/product_info.php?cPath=24_45&products_id=3629

They're both cheaper than the SBR Aeromotive kit (if you were looking at their Aeromotive kit).

 

[Xeiros]

You can get an Aeromotive AFPR kit from www.importevolution.com for a little less than $240. There's two kits - one with stainless steel lines and one without. You also have the option to add on a gauge for $20.

Non-SS Kit
http://www.importevolution.com/product_info.php?cPath=24_45&products_id=1620

SS Kit
http://www.importevolution.com/product_info.php?cPath=24_45&products_id=3629

They're both cheaper than the SBR Aeromotive kit (if you were looking at their Aeromotive kit).

You're right about the "little bit" part. It's all of maybe $10 cheaper, plus shipping. Considering all the parts he's buying from SBR, his shipping cost could almost be negated over there, so it ends up being about the same.

 

[11secDSM]

I'd stay away from the MAF-T...especially combined w/ DSM Link. You're better off just getting a 2g MAF.

Are you doing this build all at once or in steps? There are a ton of things missing to get you to your goal. Also, the Walbro will be very strained at that power level. I'd just get a Supra TT pump or a Bosch 044.

 

[JayRolla]

If your looking for 550whp or more I would go with the maf-t, the 2gmaf can be restrictive over 400whp.

 

[11secDSM]

If your looking for 550whp or more I would go with the maf-t, the 2gmaf can be restrictive over 400whp.

MAF-T sucks for tuning...ask any of the major tuners what they think of it. J-U-N-K And there are plenty of 550hp 2g MAF'd DSMs out there.

 

[almostquick]

and theres plenty of cars making 550hp with a MAFT. And go ahead and ask those "major tuners," what they recommend and they most likely dont screw around with piggybacks and go right to a standalone with speed density. and in all honesty, I'm running a MAFT/chip combo and I love it, I have never had a problem tuning it, but if I was doing a big build like you are and your fine with spending huge lump sums all at once, just do it right and buy a standalone. from the prices that you posted you could easily take money away from some things to make up for the cost of an AEM or similar system.

 

[mygsx2120]

Stick with the maf-t set-up. It will only be a pain until dsmlink v.3 comes out, then it will not require a maf-t translator. There isn't a release date yet, but it will be worth it when it happens and you can just upgrade then. Until then, if you can't tune it yourself, it's half the price of EMS so just use some of that $600 you saved on dsmlink and pay someone to tune it. STICK WITH DSMLINK!!!!!

***edit*** You also might as well throw on a lightened flywheel while your at it. I have the A.C.T. streetlite flywheel and I am very pleased.

 

[11secDSM]

and theres plenty of cars making 550hp with a MAFT. And go ahead and ask those "major tuners," what they recommend and they most likely dont screw around with piggybacks and go right to a standalone with speed density. and in all honesty, I'm running a MAFT/chip combo and I love it, I have never had a problem tuning it, but if I was doing a big build like you are and your fine with spending huge lump sums all at once, just do it right and buy a standalone. from the prices that you posted you could easily take money away from some things to make up for the cost of an AEM or similar system.

If you read what I stated above you'd see that I didn't recommend a stand alone...just stated that he'd have an easier time tuning with a DSM Link and 2g MAF combo. I'm glad that you didn't have any issues with the MAF-T. Just saying from experience and through conversation i've seen/heard many problems come about.

 

[roni-wan]

A tranny work is a MUST on a 500+whp car also, you should consider that

 

[90laserRSfwd]

what turbo? I'd say swap out the 850's for 950's (about $25 more). I have a friend here in PA that I can introduce you too that, on his own personal 91 tsi, has made 603 AWHP with a rewired walbro 255 high pressure pump and the same FPR kit that SBR sells. The walbro 255 high press is well enough pump for your goal. Oh and just an FYI he made that on a Precision t3 .82 a/r sc61 journal bearing turbo with the "e" cover (3" in / 2" out), an off the shelf sc61 no special ported race only stuff. (31 psi on c16)

 

[eldiabloz13]

MAF-T sucks for tuning...ask any of the major tuners what they think of it. J-U-N-K And there are plenty of 550hp 2g MAF'd DSMs out there.

I dont think you get why he should have this unit. Its not to tune with obviously. Thats why he has dsmlink in there. The maf-t was made to meter air to the fullest of its capibilities. It just helps our cars with venting and holding over 500hp. Take it from someone who has had a 500+dsm. The maf-t will be a good choice. Iv seen people only get close to the 500 mark with a 2gmas. So exceeding it i dont think is likely.

+1 for tranny man. Shep all the way. Well that is if you know whats good for you.

Im not much on clutches but shouldent he get a twin disk clutch set up. Then again i had the 2900 and it was interesting to say the least.

 

[11secDSM]

I dont think you get why he should have this unit. Its not to tune with obviously. Thats why he has dsmlink in there. The maf-t was made to meter air to the fullest of its capibilities. It just helps our cars with venting and holding over 500hp. Take it from someone who has had a 500+dsm. The maf-t will be a good choice. Iv seen people only get close to the 500 mark with a 2gmas. So exceeding it i dont think is likely.

+1 for tranny man. Shep all the way. Well that is if you know whats good for you.

Im not much on clutches but shouldent he get a twin disk clutch set up. Then again i had the 2900 and it was interesting to say the least.

What the hell are you talking about? I know exactly what i'm talking about. He wants to run a GM MAF w/ DSM Link...he'll need a MAFT to convert the signal. All I was saying is that's not the best option. The GM MAF/MAFT combo is inconsistent and inaccurate...it's been proven over and over. A local buddy of mine sees 80lbs/min and 140+mph trap speeds with a 2g MAF and DSM Link....so what's the purpose of using a GM MAF based on this fact? Like I said above, some will have success...most won't.

"Take this from someone who has a 500hp DSM" ...congrats!

 

[oldman]

Play nice children, both of you have valid points, learn to discuss it without getting personal.

 

[JayRolla]

MAF-T sucks for tuning...ask any of the major tuners what they think of it. J-U-N-K And there are plenty of 550hp 2g MAF'd DSMs out there.

Ok so I asked my mechanic and two people that work there and they said the maf-t version 2 along with dsmlink works great. The maf-t by itself is a PITA to tune but they have no problems with dsmlink along with the maf-t. By the way all three of them are making over 600whp on e85 fuel.

 

[11secDSM]

My argument has nothing to do with the MAFT or the ability to make power. Of course it's been done before or there wouldn't be another side to this argument. My side of the argument stems from the fact that the GM MAF itself is an inacurrate and inconsistent POS. There are tons of articles out there about this so i'm not going to reiterate since all you have to do is search to find them. Power can be made...i'm just saying it's not going to be done on the best tune day to day. I'm not going to comment on this anymore since no one is willing to listen. One last comment though...looking through the classifieds on a lot of sites you'll see GM MAF/MAFT setups for sale...wonder why.

 

[11secDSM]

Play nice children, both of you have valid points, learn to discuss it without getting personal.

I am definitely playing nice...just can't stand it when people talk to me like a 16 year old noob who has no clue. But point taken...toned down.

 

[JayRolla]

I am definitely playing nice...just can't stand it when people talk to me like a 16 year old noob who has no clue. But point taken...toned down.

I never once said you are wrong. For the everyday person the 2g maf is great. Also I agree the maf-t "WAS" a pita to tune. With dsmlink its not that bad and actually works better than most think. Here in colorado we have drastic temp changes and the 2g maf is easier to tune. Now that dsmlink is around people are not having many problems.

I agree that 2g maf for anyone staying under 500whp, if you want to go big I would either go with AEM or a maf-t/dsmlink set up.

 

[11secDSM]

I wasn't referring to you man. I was referring to eldiabloz13. I'm done with this debate. It's going nowhere.

 

[Glliw]

From what I've seen and heard, the maf-t can be good. But humid climates like here in Florida it is impossible to keep a tune. If your going dsmlink, the stock 2g maf can flow all the air you want it to by adjusting the airflow settings in the program.

 

[adamsdarin]

I should explain more clearly. This is my current build its going to be done in steps. If you can see any issues the order of purchasing items then I would appericiate any advice. Also if you see any issues with parts let me know that also so that way I can better design my build. Most likly this build will take a little over a year I will include a new time line in this post. Realize my location as well I'm currently in Alaska one of the only places in the world that has tempature changes as drastic as 90 above to almost 60 below, so any suggestions to assist with the insane temp difference would be appericiated also.

My current setup for a 550hp build. Currently I have a completely stock 1995 Eagle Talon.
I'm still looking into several parts in which I still would need for this upgrade. Any suggestions are welcome thanks.


Order of Presidence
April 2007

Fuel Pump Walbro 255 109.00(Slow Boy Racing)
Injectors 850cc Injectors 280(Slow Boy Racing)
Wide Band O2 Sensor AEM Six-In-One Gauge 289(Slow Boy Racing)
Fuel Pressure Regulator .SS Return Line Kit 1G/2G w/ Aeromotive FPR and Gauge 240(Slow Boy Racing)
ECU DSM Link 550(Slow Boy Racing)
Blow Off Valve Tial Blow Off Valve 220.00(Slow Boy Racing

November 2007, February 2008http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=151145363
DSM Performance Forums- DSMtuners.com
Engine 2.0L 4G63 Stage II Long Block 5988 (Slow Boy Racing)
Engine Mounts Energy Suspension 79.99(Slow Boy Racing)
Clutch ACT 2900 512.40(Slow Boy Racing)
Flywheel ACT Flywheel(part of the engine build Slow Boy Racing)

Febuary 2008, April 2008
Front Mount Intercooler 2G Front Mount Intercooler Kit 189.00(Slow Boy Racing)
MAF Translator 2G DSM MAF Translator 195(Slow Boy Racing)
Radiator Fluidyne 389(Slow Boy Racing)

November 2008, February 2009
Turbo T3 GT30R Turbo ( Garrett GT3076R with 3" 4 Bolt Turbine Discharge) 1299(Slow Boy Racing)
Exhaust Manifold DNP 4G63 Exhaust Manifold For Mitsubishi Turbine Housings with Tial 44 Flange 599.00(Slow Boy Racing)
External Wastegate TiAL Sport 44mm Wastegate 380(Slow Boy Racing)

IF IM MISSING ANY PARTS FOR THE BUILD PLEASE LET ME KNOW

The talon that all this is getting put into is in near mint condition the Transmission is brand new, transfer case brand new, rear diff brand new, body in amazing condition. also any suggestions for gauges would be nice.. Also any suggestions on where to buy a PLX wideband 02 sensor.... It looks better with blue numbers

 

[11secDSM]

Couple issues with your timeline...

...you can't run the Tial BOV until you go speed density.
...you're looking to get a t3 flanged turbo and and mitsu flanged manifold...they don't go together.
...the gt30r is going to struggle at 550whp. I'd look into an FP3065 from Forced Performance. Use that with a ported 2g mani and save a couple bucks.
...no need for an ACT2900....pedal pressure will be killer for a DD. The 2600 will do fine.
...I still think you should go with a 2g MAS instead of the GM MAF/MAFT combo. But what do I know? ....I've only been building DSMs/cars since the early 90s.