t3/t4 ?'s need help. please

[Brock96gst]

I recently bought a t3/t4 turbo from xs power by mistake, was watching and bidding on several different things at one time and made a mistake and bid on a t3/t4 turbo with manifold and waste gate. thought i was bidding on 16g set up. i've already kicked my own ass for doing this. the bad thing is i bid low and won the auction, didnt pay attention to what it was until i paid through pay pal. my questions to you guys are
-will this turbo work on my car without sinking alot of money into it to make it run efficiently?
- i recently purchased the xs power 2g intercooler 28x10x3.5, will it bolt up to t3/t4 turbo?
-do i need new oil lines or an install kit for the t3/t4 turbo?
-will my current mods support this turbo?
any help with answering these ?'s will be greatly appreciated. thank you in advance.

 

[Phalanx99]

I have no experience on Ebay turbo but with manifold and external wastegate.
I bought a set of manifold and external wastegate from an Ebayer (not XS Auto Chrome but the same shit). They look nice and bolt right on the block. BUT when you install the wastegate, it will hit the starter. I have to pay $30 to move the tail wastegate tupe to other way. Second thing is the O2 housing and down pipe. I have a custom flex down pipe and custom short O2 housing but still cannot fit. The O2 housing and down pipe hit the oil filter housing. I ended with paying $275 for a shop to fix this problem.
All of them are caused by the position of the manifold. So it is really bad to get that manifold. If I were you, I just return that manifold and buy a brand name one (like OBX) because it will fit and you dont have to spend extra money to make a crap to work.

 

[Brock96gst]

appreciate the input but i'm looking for a little more info. i tried searching the forums but didnt come up with any info.

 

[fwdeclipse]

Thats weird you say the wastegate hit the starterWTF .The starter is under the intake manifold.Anyway there is alot to putting on a t3t4 you have to custom make a 02 housing to work with you downpipe.No the supporting mods you have will not work with this.You need injectors some kind of engine management.I dont think I saw a exhaust or anything.You should probably get all your supporting mods before you install it.btw what size did you buy.Also ebay turbos are not known for there reliability so it would not be a bad idea to ditch this kit and get a name brand turbo.Just my 2 cents.

Just noticed you do have exhaust.

 

[crazy_skier]

everything should fit except maybe the intake (different size openings) and maybe the downpipe, but you could probally change that. You will also need a t3/t4 oil line and return line if the kit does not come with one and you may have to change some of your licp. Also, I saw that you have a 190l.p.h. fuel pump and this is a good starting point, but to run boost any higher than 12-13 p.s.i. you will need a logger and then after you max out your factory injectors you will need bigger injectors and an safc. Also, I would watch the reliablity of the xs power turbos, I have hear their intercoolers are fine but I would be careful with the turbo. Lastly, Phalanx99 you have a different motor than us because you are a non-turbo/turbo'd spyder and also I would not reccomend the obx manifold because they are just a p.o.s. I have seen obx stuff on my friends n/t rs and the quality imo is horrible.

 

[Phalanx99]

Just so you know, my non-turbo is 4g64 not 420a. The 4g64 block has many parts same as 4g63. The engine set up is completely the same as 4g63. So if it didn't fit on my car, it will not fit on any 4g63.

 

[Mindgame]

You are not going to be able to use you o2 housing, and there is only one place that I found that makes them. http://www.victoryperformance.com/product/Detail.cfm?ProductID=657

I waited 5 weeks for mine. I wouldn't do any buisiness with them again, unless I absolutly had to. If you have a shop around they might be able to fab one up for you, but that is a Pain In the ass. My suggestion is just get the one I linked. It fits perfect.

As far as supporting mods go. You going to need bigger injectors, a fuel pressure regulator, and some way to tune.

And you will also need a differant return line. The fitting on the t3 is not the same as mitsu turbo's. I think you will also need a stanless braided feed line, and fitting. I got an entire oil line kit for $50 off ebay. I believe the vendor was Forced Fab.

 

[Brock96gst]

fwdeclipse, i have an 3 inch exhaust and downpipe, so what your saying is the factory 02 housing will not work with the t3/t4 turbo.
where do i find one or how would i custome build one?
the specs on the turbo are
t3 flange
.48 hot .42 a/r 2.25 inlet 2.5 outlet
1/8 npt oil inlet stage 3 wheel how difficult is it going to be to make this kit work on my and do it right and run efficiently. by the way it comes with manifold with 38 mm external waste gate. appreciate the help guys.

 

[Dark_Horse]

In order to accurately answer your question, we need to know what t3/t4 turbo you bought. There are so many that it could be a V, 50, 57, 60, 60-1 trim etc. As the trims get higher, you need bigger injectors/pump etc to properly run them. A 50 trim will require less fuel than a 60-1 etc.

Since you already have a 190lph pump, you definitely need a data logger, fuel management & bigger injectors unless you want to keep the boost very low.

Your intercooler - did it include a 90 degree elbow for the turbo, or did your turbo come with one already? If it's facing the wrong way (and welded in), you will have to change that...But I doubt it will be a problem.

Your intake can be made to fit the compressor inlet, just get the right coupler.

You will also need to reflange your downpipe.

Oil lines etc - did the kit come with oil/water lines & fittings? If not, you will definitely need to purchase those since the fittings/gaskets for a mitsu turbo are different than a t3/t4.

 

[fwdeclipse]

fwdeclipse, i have an 3 inch exhaust and downpipe, so what your saying is the factory 02 housing will not work with the t3/t4 turbo.
where do i find one or how would i custome build one?
the specs on the turbo are
t3 flange
.48 hot .42 a/r 2.25 inlet 2.5 outlet
1/8 npt oil inlet stage 3 wheel how difficult is it going to be to make this kit work on my and do it right and run efficiently. by the way it comes with manifold with 38 mm external waste gate. appreciate the help guys.

No the stock o2 housing will not work.what does the back of the turbo look like is it a vband or is it a 4 or 5 bolt design.If its only has a .42ar on the compressor side its proably pretty small.It might not even be worth all the trouble to use it.Take a picture of it so we can see what it looks like.Also was there any specs as far as inducer and exducer of the compressor wheel and turbine wheel.

 

[Phalanx99]

You are not going to be able to use you o2 housing, and there is only one place that I found that makes them. http://www.victoryperformance.com/product/Detail.cfm?ProductID=657

I waited 5 weeks for mine. I wouldn't do any buisiness with them again, unless I absolutly had to. If you have a shop around they might be able to fab one up for you, but that is a Pain In the ass. My suggestion is just get the one I linked. It fits perfect.

As far as supporting mods go. You going to need bigger injectors, a fuel pressure regulator, and some way to tune.

And you will also need a differant return line. The fitting on the t3 is not the same as mitsu turbo's. I think you will also need a stanless braided feed line, and fitting. I got an entire oil line kit for $50 off ebay. I believe the vendor was Forced Fab.

I will say NO to that vendor. I have a custom build O2 housing which looks similar to that and it still DID NOT fit. The exhaust shop have to cut the flange out and weld a 3" pipe in a very strict position to make it fit.
Again, DO NOT buy that manifold or you WILL get in to big problem like me. I am telling you from my real experience. This is not a topic to discuss if you don't have real experience about it. You just look and think everything will work fine but no and no you will end with cursing and spend extra money on it.

 

[Mindgame]

I will say NO to that vendor. I have a custom build O2 housing which looks similar to that and it still DID NOT fit. The exhaust shop have to cut the flange out and weld a 3" pipe in a very strict position to make it fit.
Again, DO NOT buy that manifold or you WILL get in to big problem like me. I am telling you from my real experience. This is not a topic to discuss if you don't have real experience about it. You just look and think everything will work fine but no and no you will end with cursing and spend extra money on it.

The o2 housing fit perfect for me. Try finding a 5 bolt t3 flanged o2 housing anywhere else... They won't sell them unless you buy a complete turbo kit.

That might be your only option.

My suggestion. If you don't have the capability to do any of this. Sell it on ebay, get what you can, and buy a 16g. It will get you where you want to be better then the turbo you bought. You will just get nowhere if you don't have the supporting mods.

 

[Phalanx99]

It fits on the turbo outlet but not in this situation. Keep in mind that the manifold is a big problem.

 

[Brock96gst]

i havent recieved the turbo yet so i cant send pics. its a downward facing turbo and my intercooler kit did come with a 90 deg elbow. as far as what kind of t3/t4 turbo it is and what trim i dont know the specifics it doesnt have enough details. i know, i'm very stupid for buying this by mistake. will not happen again $400.00 mistake.
so what i'm thinking from the information i've recieved from you guys is the best thing to do is sale this turbo and get a different set up. the turbo didnt come with oil/water lines either. i think i'm going to install the turbo kit on my t25 and go from there.
more opinions and technical advise welcome, keep it coming i'm really stressing on what to do.

 

[Brock96gst]

its a 45 trim t3 turbo 4 bolt design. it looks like if the manifold was installed the piece the lower intercooler piping connects to is facing the radiator. i'll post pics when my girl gets home with the camera.

 

[Brock96gst]

here are the pics

 

[Brock96gst]

i was wrong, when the manifold is installed the turbo outlet for the lower intercooler pipe is facing the block. has anyone seen this before? i'll post pics of the manifold and turbo together.

 

[Phalanx99]

Don't worring about that. You can easily take off 6 bolts on the compressor housing and take the "c" rings out. Then gently pull the compressor housing out then turn it around to the right angle that you want. Now screw those bolt and "C" rings back again (really tight and a rubber O ring maybe needed or you will leak air). You are good to go.

 

[Brock96gst]

phalanx99,
after looking at the pics do you think its worth the trouble of tackling the project of installing a 45 trim. i cant find a oil/water line kit or a 02 housing, any suggestions. thanks for the help.

 

[fwdeclipse]

phalanx99,
after looking at the pics do you think its worth the trouble of tackling the project of installing a 45 trim. i cant find a oil/water line kit or a 02 housing, any suggestions. thanks for the help.

No its not worth installing that turbo.Sell it and get yourself a evo316g or something.I would bet a evo316g would make more power than that shithole.

 

[Brock96gst]

thats what i was trying to get but mistakingly bid and won the wrong turbo, i just need to find someone who will actually buy this pos, i dont think i could give it away.
Will the t3 manifold work on the 16g. the manifold has an external wastegate flange.
if not is there any turbo that will work on the t3 manifold?

 

[Phalanx99]

Man, did you try to put the wastegate on ? If you can put it on without any problem then stick with your set up. That is the first thing you wanna try, not the turbo.
Like what I told you before, I spent $300 to make everything fit.
Answer my question first then I will help you out because I know what you will need. I have the exactly same set up on my car just a bigger turbo. IMO, 45trim is a little bit small for your car. You should go for 50trim.

 

[Brock96gst]

no, i havent installed anything yet. its my daily driver and i wanted to make shure i had everything before i started the installation.

 

[Phalanx99]

Then go back to the first reply of mine. I warned you at the very first time that it will take alot of extra money to get everything fits.

 

[Brock96gst]

i'm not shure what i want to do at this point. i can make this turbo work for about $500.00
or i can buy the 16g kit from extreme psi with install kit for $738.00 shipped to the door ready for install. then i'm still stuck with this stupid ass turbo.
thanks for your input phalanx99. i've got some thinking to do. its hard for me to get custom stuff done because its my daily driver. thanks for the help.