Not sure what to do with my money

[97_eclipse_gst]

Hi, i have a 97 gst with a full turbo back exhaust, a walboro 255lph fuel pump, dejon tool intake, act 2600 clutch, act streetlite flywheel, and a underdrive pulley. And i was wondering what i should buy next, i have about 800 and should have the rest in the beginning of may. I would like to get a evo 3 big 16g, 650-680 injectors, fmic (ebay), datalogger, dsmlink and eprom ecu. I was just wondering what would be the safest and best order to go with what i plan on getting. Also if there is anything else that i should get that i didnt mention. thanks for any input

 

[DSMark]

Don't quote me on this but i don't believe you need a datlogger with dsmlink. But i would go in this order, Eprom, dsmlink, injectors, evo 16g, and fmic.

 

[97_eclipse_gst]

I dont tihnk i would need the logger either but i would like to purchase the dsmlink in may. So i thought it would be best to get a logger, especially if i got the bigger turbo and injectors about a month or two before the dsmlink.

 

[2tsi_auto]

my personal opinion I would get injectors, safc 2, and a egt gauge,

 

[DSMark]

I dont tihnk i would need the logger either but i would like to purchase the dsmlink in may. So i thought it would be best to get a logger, especially if i got the bigger turbo and injectors about a month or two before the dsmlink.

No i mean i don't think you need a logger with dsmlink because i'm pretty sure dsmlink does everything a logger does and more.

 

[97_eclipse_gst]

Yea i know it does but the whole thing is i plan on getting the dsmlink in a month or two. And wanted to get the turbo and injectors earlier, so for the time being, until i get the dsmlink. Do you think it would be a good idea to get the logger now to make sure everything is going ok, or shoud i just wait to get dsmlink? Also would a SAFC do the same as dsmlink, or will i need one even with it?

 

[mrbrianf20]

im kinda in the same spot as you. ive done a lot of research and questioning about this same topic. ive already got the big 16g so my next investment is dsmlink. save up and get it because just about any other mod you get would need to be tuned to get the max hp. just my 2 cents

 

[DSMark]

Well even if you had a logger, you wouldn't be able to do anything about it because you would have nothing to tune it with. And as far as your mods go, if you don't think you'll be going bigger than you'd be fine with just a logger and an afc, but if you do plan on going bigger i would suggest you go with dsmlink.

 

[Slippi84]

Gla dI caught this before any more misinformation got spread.

1) You don't need and logger with dsmlink it has everything except wideband built in and even that it has a a/fcalculator

2) while dsmlink is a great thing your not ready for it yet or atleast I wouldn't buy it yet especialy with only 800 bucs. Mainly because it will cost you about 5-600 for the link and another 200 for the eprom ecu so that would be all your money and with your stock injectors and turbo you would not benefit right away as much as you would as if you got a set of injectors and an ebay fmic.

If you go injectors and and fmic you will be able to run more boost safely especialy since you have a walbro 255 already which by the way you should look into gettin a afpr asap to make tuning easier.

ON that note the only problem with going injectors and fmic is that if you don't get good enough deals and have enough money to atleast buy an safc or a chip your car won't run right with the new injectors. So if I were you which you can take what I say and tell me to shove it but I would go ebay fmic around 300 bucs for piping and fmic injectors between 200-300 and safc1 or 2 either or for 200 so worse case scenario your right at 800 best case scenario your a 700 and have enough left over for afpr. That will alow you to max out your present turbo setup and be ready to go with a new turbo as soon as you do more research and decide whihc turbo you want.



edit: scratch the afpr get a logger that way you aren't tuning in the dark

 

[DSMark]

So what misinformation did i give him? I just forgot the part about his budget. Yea now that i reread your post slippi is right. So my new suggestions would be injectors (200), Logger (150), Safc I (150), Afpr (150). So that brings you up to 650. I would then save up and buy the turbo and the fmic together. For now, your stock sidemount can handle. With your stock t25, you wouldn't even be able to push 15psi efficiently no matter what supporting mods you throw at it. That's where i disagree with slippi. I say get all the supporting mods right away, save up for the turbo, and then get an fmic. Sorry again for throwing out all those parts and forgetting your budget, but hope this helps a little better.

 

[Slippi84]

So what misinformation did i give him? I just forgot the part about his budget. Yea now that i reread your post slippi is right. So my new suggestions would be injectors (200), Logger (150), Safc I (150), Afpr (150). So that brings you up to 650. I would then save up and buy the turbo and the fmic together. For now, your stock sidemount can handle. With your stock t25, you wouldn't even be able to push 15psi efficiently no matter what supporting mods you throw at it. That's where i disagree with slippi. I say get all the supporting mods right away, save up for the turbo, and then get an fmic. Sorry again for throwing out all those parts and forgetting your budget, but hope this helps a little better.

Sorry I thought you told him he WOULD need a logger with dsmlink but you said wouldn't. You were right even though you weren't sure you were right. DSMark is right about the tiny-25 your gonna be limited untill you uprgrade that fmic or not.

 

[dave99gst]

I would START out with a dsmlink - IMHO
that is the backbone for all future mods (injectors,turbo,fmic,etc)
dsmlink replaces any need for a logger,afc,timing control.
Not to mention it logs 100x better.

 

[97_eclipse_gst]

Thanks for all the great information guys its really helping me out. I just have one question about chips, if i were to wait for dsm link what type of chip should i get. Also is this a good setup to get for now since i could get the injectors and wait longer for dsmlink if i had to. Then sell the setup keep the injectors and buy dsmlink when im ready?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8051039265&fromMakeTrack=true

 

[Slippi84]

I would START out with a dsmlink - IMHO
that is the backbone for all future mods (injectors,turbo,fmic,etc)
dsmlink replaces any need for a logger,afc,timing control.
Not to mention it logs 100x better.

I will not knock heads with a wiseman as I am no expert dsmer by any means but while I agree 100% the link is the truth I think the ability to tune that well is somewhat uselless untill you have a least a slight foundation of supporting mods and the basics. The main part being why I don't think dsmlink would be the best choice wih only 800 bucs is that he has a t25 going butt ass broke which he would have to do to get the link would only alow him to max out his t25 which I'm gonna take a shot in the dark here and say that's not much better than when it's not maxed out(I wouldn't know for sure cause the smallest turbo I ever had was a 14b) Just my .02

 

[mrbrianf20]

Thanks for all the great information guys its really helping me out. I just have one question about chips, if i were to wait for dsm link what type of chip should i get. Also is this a good setup to get for now since i could get the injectors and wait longer for dsmlink if i had to. Then sell the setup keep the injectors and buy dsmlink when im ready?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8051039265&fromMakeTrack=true

why would you go spend money now on a fms or on some chip when you could save your money and do it right the first time with dsmlink?

 

[Slippi84]

why would you go spend money now on a fms or on some chip when you could save your money and do it right the first time with dsmlink?

Tell the people runing 10's on a safc and chip they're doing it wrong

 

[97_eclipse_gst]

I would do it because i can do that now with the money i have. And i want to run the car safely when i get the bigger turbo and fmic and injectors. So i can wait to get the money and save up more for dsm-link. So when i get it i only have to tune it once since ill have mostly everything im going to want on it already.

 

[97_eclipse_gst]

Since dsm-link is obviously the best way to go, and it wont be worth it for me to get another type of engine management then change to dsmlink. Would it be safe for me to put a front mount on and upgrade the TB to a 1g. And run it until may when i will be able to afford dsmlink, without no engine management or anything else?

 

[dsm-onster]

You're finding out that 800 bones doesn't get you very much!

So what are your goals?

You probably want to max out your EVO3 16G. DSMLink would be a great tool for this. Others have done it w/ less. But the key here is that DSMLink includes the logger AND is designed for ametures to tune. In fact I taught my wife to tune a 1g w/ dsmlink in an afternoon. By the evening she was holding the computer in the passenger seat and monitoring my runs and tweeking them while i was getting a pepsi at a gas station.

You need more than $800 to run an evo3 16G. So who cares what order you get the parts in. If you need you car to drive daily, then leaver her alone, buy a little at a time, and then install them all at once... Get what you want and enjoy the process. You can't get much more out of your setup other than tuning so if you get anything first get dsmlink. Then be patient. save a little more; tune a little. then get your evo3 16g and injectors... up the boost and tune a little more. save a little. Then get a FMIC...

$800 won't get you anything worth while in itself w/ your current setup level. It takes a system of parts that totals more money to get worthwhile results.

DSMLink should have been my first mod... Like Dave said, it is the platform for all other upgrades.

A FMIC will show minimal gains w/ your current setup. Leaning your a/f ratios out and advancing your timing curve will yield more results.

 

[1sickgst]

I agree w/ DSM-onster. The 800 will only get you so far at first. You'd be able to get you a new EVO III 16G w/ install kit and boost gauge then you might have a little left over. Or, you could get an EPROM & DSMlink. That would probably be the first step to do. Unless you already have one, you'll need a laptop to tune also. Save the money and skip the logger & SAFC. I spent about a year & a half piecing together my setup before it all went in (only due to working alot and school). But doing so and waiting while looking on the classifieds here & ebay saved me more than enough money alone for labor and a tune. But definitely start with DSMlink 1st so you can tune new upgrades right away once you get them to prevent any problems.

 

[Red Man]

Well i think the last thing to get is the turbo, becuase the first thing i bought was the turbo and the car funs great, but i was told, i would hurt my car if i but the exhaust on that it would make my boost creep to high levels which could hurt the engine. so the next thing you should do is get 255 fuel pump, injector and dsmlink. then when u get the rest you can get the turbo.

 

[97_eclipse_gst]

I have a boost gauge and a 255 pump, and i plan on getting dsm link. thanks for all of the help guys. One more thing though i just would like to know how could i hurt my car if i get a fmic without any engine management? thanks again everyone

 

[Slippi84]

I have a boost gauge and a 255 pump, and i plan on getting dsm link. thanks for all of the help guys. One more thing though i just would like to know how could i hurt my car if i get a fmic without any engine management? thanks again everyone

Engine managment has nothing or atleast very little to do with a fmic. A fmic will just alow you to keep knock down and charged tempetures down with only ill effects being slightly slower spool but on a t25 I don't think that will even matter.