Build my 11 sec car, need some help with my mod list?

[dalatinromeo]

Ok my goal is low 11’s (11.0-11.2). This will not be my daily driver, around January of next year I plan on buying a Honda Civic or CRX just to go to work, school, mall, and other places you know my daily driver. I will be using my car to just go the track a couple of times a year, and to take for a spin once in a while. I want to know what else will be need in my list.

Air Mods

K&N FIPK
Injen or Dejontool Intake (blow-thru)
AGP 2G FMIC w/ Greddy BOV Type-S
DNP SS Tubular Exhaust Manifold & O2 housing
Thermal 3 in turbo-back w/ race pipe


Fuel Mods (this is where I am stuck deciding between products, I would appreciate a lot of advice here)

Walbro Fuel Pump 255 HP(rewired)
Injectors 660’s(not sure if I should go with 750’s)
Aeromotive or Aem AFPR
Aem Fuel Rail(only getting it because I am getting it for a good deal)

Tuning

DSMLINK
GM-MAFT(not to tune just so I can vent properly)

Gauges

Apexi Boost, EGT, Oil, Fuel Pressure Gauge, 02 Voltage

Drivetrain

Spec Stage 3 Clutch (looking for a alternate to the ACT 2600)
Fidanzza Flywheel
B&M Short Shifter

Engine Components

Head Gasket w/ APR studs.
HKS Cams(not sure yet, near more researching)

Turbo Upgrade

I have been changing my mind for almost two or three months of what turbo to get. I think I have finally broke it down to two turbos. The turbos I selected from are both from FP. I was deciding between FP Green or FP 3052.Both turbos are priced at the same price. Will I need slimmer fans to fit either of these turbos?
I plan to external setup being its green or 3052. A Tial 38mm WG should hold up right??
Oh I have Hallman MBC.

Once I’m done with all these mods, I plan on buying a 6-bolt and building it up. I’m not to familiar with internals, and all but I have been reading up and learning little by little. Sorry for the long post. I just want to know if I am on the right track. My main questions are:

With the a good driver and proper tuning can I expect low 11’s with these setup, if not what else should I look into investing in?
Should I go with FP Green or FP 3052? I am favoring the FP 3052?
What size injectors should I go with 660’s or more like 750’s just incase?
Would the Tial 38 external WG be able to hold up correct?
Should I go with a different clutch, any suggestions?

Any input will be appreciated. Thanks tuners!!!!!

 

[Red Recluse]

I'll put it in a nice way so you don't get reamed by everyone else...

There's a rather large difference between 13 seconds, and 11 seconds in the 1/4....
Your going to need a hell of a bigger injector then a 660.
I reccomend the Forced Performance FP2 Cams
I would also reccomend making it a stroker..(GSX or GST?)
Eagle Rods, Wiesco Pistons
ARP Hardware

Can go on for a while but basically you need to do a lot more reading.

 

[92awddsm]

I myself would just go ahead and get the fp3065 instead of the 3052. That will give you the extra cushion later and then no more need to upgrade. Besides, in a full weight car, loww 11's will take quite a bit of power. Why not spend the extra $150 now instead of later.

I would also suggest at least a 750cc injector. The 660's will keep you from running over 28-30 psi and thats where those turbos start to shine. Im sure people will argue but if so, why would you chose either of these turbos and not have enough support to run over 25psi?

And about the wg, if I remember correctly, dont they both use the tial 44mm v-band wg? I didnt think they made the 38mm with a v-band mount.

 

[ZenTurbo]

Air Mods:
K&N Filter
GM MAF-T or HKS VPC (i've been running SAFC and its not on the top of my list for tuning)
Cyclone Intake Manifold(choice if your running a larger turbo and need to spool a lil bit faster)if not then still a good and effective mod.

Fuel:
Walbro 255 rewired(check vfaq for the info)
Injec.Depending on how much boost and what turbo
My choice on turbo would probably a bastard Mitsu. Part Mitsubishi Part Garrett. or just straight up garrett. But for easy access i would get FP Green. And run 680's or 720's

ECUSM Link would be my top choice.
Ignition:even though fac. is good i would probably run a box and at least a timing retard dial like MSD has. 2 step would be nice for sure if your running awd.

Good tranny with ACT 2600 or equivalent. Good luck

 

[dalatinromeo]

I would also reccomend making it a stroker..(GSX or GST?)

yes i know theres a difference between 13 sec's and 11's. i was just thinking ahead of time(planning) of a mod list w/ the proper driver and tuning would be capable of 11 sec's. but the stroker idea i was considering before but lost interest. thanks for the advice though

I myself would just go ahead and get the fp3065 instead of the 3052. That will give you the extra cushion later and then no more need to upgrade. Besides, in a full weight car, loww 11's will take quite a bit of power. Why not spend the extra $150 now instead of later.

I am planning to do some minor weight reduction at first then later go more in depth. but sounds like a better idea going with the fp3065 upgrade now, and only pay once right.

I would also suggest at least a 750cc injector. The 660's will keep you from running over 28-30 psi and thats where those turbos start to shine. Im sure people will argue but if so, why would you chose either of these turbos and not have enough support to run over 25psi?

so i'm pretty sure i'll go with the 750cc injectors.

And about the wg, if I remember correctly, dont they both use the tial 44mm v-band wg? I didnt think they made the 38mm with a v-band mount.

not sure when i was on the website i see the v-band mount but im not sure about the size, i'm going to go and see what others running this turbo are using. thanks for all the advice

Air Mods:
K&N Filter
GM MAF-T or HKS VPC (i've been running SAFC and its not on the top of my list for tuning)
Cyclone Intake Manifold(choice if your running a larger turbo and need to spool a lil bit faster)if not then still a good and effective mod.

i was thinking about the cyclone intake manifold, but i thought i should get that when i get the 6 bolt, because won't i have to port out the intake ports on the head in order to really feel an increase in power?? because the ends of the manifold would be huge compared to the intake ports on the head??

Ignition:even though fac. is good i would probably run a box and at least a timing retard dial like MSD has. 2 step would be nice for sure if your running awd.

Good tranny with ACT 2600 or equivalent. Good luck

Yeah, im running AWD, i'll look and read into the whole timing retard dial thing. i plan on going with a trany from shep or tre more in favor of shep though. thanks. oh just to add i plan on running like 29-30 psi. any other feedback would be great.

 

[dalatinromeo]

will the greddy type-s be able to hold up to 30 psi without leaking??

 

[andytalon]

I think you can get low 11's, get these instead:
Tial bov
1000cc injectors, you won't regret it!
Clutch-I would shoot for the act 2900, with a 6 puck from Unorthodox racing!
Cams- Brian Crower has some good cams for a good price!
Turbo- You choose, I hear amazing things from FP turbos, almost everyone that runs a dsm at the track owns one! I don't know to much about them, but personally if I were building the bottem end, I would go for the biggest and best. Also I would consider building up your head.
Since you want to run 11's I would personally look into better drivtrain, not just clutch, Look into a Spool, or welded dif, or beefier axles.

Last but not least! Rubber, if its a track car get Slicks, if its a daily I would shoot for Drag radials, and some spare winter tires.



For the bottom end, I think 8.5 Ross pistons, and Eagle rods should be just perfect for ya, just find a good reputable shop around to do it for ya or you can have it orderd. In my opion the best motors for our cars come out of ffwd but there are many more, pm me if you need more shops.

 

[Gamble97]

Don't forget about some of the basics:
A good tire. like said above.
Maybe some lighter wheels, rota perhaps?
You will need some suspension.

 

[stockfornow]

As for the clutch, you might want to consider the Ceterforce, (Summit Racing). It will beeasier for your left foot, and it still holds power. And if you don't want to go stroker, and want to build a 2.0, you better make sure your tranny will be able to shift above 7,500 rpms, as well as a drivetrain. Also since you'll be revving your 2.0 quiet high, I would suggest springs, and retainers. And in my opinon, I would just go out and buy a rebuild 1G head, and rent a spring compressor, and just change out the springs, and retainers. I would suggest looking for those at slowboyracing.com Tuning and fuel, people are right, get the 1000cc injectors, and a DSMLink. Some local dsmers showed me how great and easy DSMLink is. And 1000cc injectors with DSMLink would idle like stock, and it's always better to have bigger injectors, you can scale them down, and they won't be working as hard as the 660's would. I hope I helped a little.

 

[awdtalontsi1992]

Sounds like some good advice coming out of here. My take on the suggestions woudl be the following.

1000cc injectors

Aeromotive FPR

FP 3065

Tial 38mm wategate......will work ok for the turbo. Just make sure you have your manifold made with the correct flange.

Gauges.....I would add a water temp gauge to the list....also the O2 voltage.....you are getting a wideband to tune with?

You might want to consider the SBR 3500 clutch

If you are doing low 11s then you are going to need some safety equipment at the track.
At the least you are going to need a cage.....check the various rulebooks and talk to your local track about it.

Turbo Timer if you don't already have one.

 

[dalatinromeo]

Boy things do change in a year!!

Well about a month after starting this thread I totalled my 2g TALON AWD!! Took some patience, but after two months I found another DSM. Another 2g AWD.

To update I am still pursing the 11 sec goal. After my accident, I spent day and nights doing more research on these boards, after much debate I am going a slightly different route(mods wise).

To start with the turbo it will def be a FP3065 or GT35R. I am getting a BB 50 trim(hopefully in 2 weeks) before that then upgrade when it becomes a restriction.

Well I initially changed my mind of BOV choice to HKS SSQV, but now I am set on a TIAL BOV. My exhaust mani will most likely be Full Race, SLS,or Shearer.

Injector size is now 1000cc. Why bother having to upgrade again later on, right?? Also changed my mind on the cams, I am going with FP2x cams.

Everything pretty much stayed the same but I added a couple of things. Like Magnus SMIM, 1G TB, AEM UEGO Wideband, and TIAL 44WG. But I am still looking for an alternative for the ACT 2600.

Yeah I forgot all about the safety equipment. Anymore sugggestions??

 

[eagleye]

Sound like a good setup.

 

[stockfornow]

As safety--- some light weight racing seat with 5 point harness, for beggining. Also start considering maybe a rollcage.

 

[IslandTSI]

As mentioned above you will need a cage. Also a scatershield would be smart. I wouldent even bother with the 50 trim. Just spend the money now on the 3065 and not have to swap turbos and random fittings later on.

If you go with the 3065 you will HAVE to go with a tial 44mm wastegate, as the turbine housing is setup to run it.

 

[Skunked tsi]

Fp2xs you will need valve springs and the 50trim will get you your goal of low 11s, with proper driving and supporting mods. I ran 11.7 on pump with a standard run of the mill PTE 50trim not bb. If you want more then low 11s then I would suggest that is where you are leaving 50trim land.
Tyler