Can't escape DSM problems....

spyderdrifter · 06-04-2012, 06:55 PM

So, yeah. Only days after getting my baby up and running, it's down yet again. This time it's worse. What's the tell-tale, without a doubt, sure way to know I spun a bearing¿ was heading to pick up a friend, got there, just rev'd the engine once, not hard at all, and when I went into reverse, all I got was a really bad sound like something loose inside the engine. I'm now leaking a little oil from the oil pump, and cyl 3 has an oil leak too. I pulled the valve cover to find nothing unusual, which is how I looked at the pistons, through spark plug wells. I'm lost on this one. Never spun a bearing or had anything loose inside an engine before..

96' Eclipse GS · 06-04-2012, 07:03 PM

Well, if you think it is internal problems, put a compression & oil pressure gauge to ensure that it is the problem. Once, then you can drain, drop the (Oil Pan) and start looking for play, metal shaves, etc. Do you have a video that you can post of what you believe is a (spun bearing)?

spyderdrifter · 06-04-2012, 07:07 PM

I got nothing. All I have is the bag of tools in the trunk just in case something did happen (and now it has), but my car is 25 miles from home where my compression tester is. Getting dark so I can't really look til tomorrow after work, ironically where my car is located now.

garrettgoines · 06-04-2012, 07:27 PM

I would lean towards leaving the car there until you can get tools to check it out. Cranking and cranking and pushing something that possibly broke (as shit) isnt a good idea. Drop the oil pan and plastiguage the rod bearings. Look/magnet for metal in the oil. I just got my first running DSM a month ago and got dealt a broken balance shaft belt/crank angle sensor two weeks ago. Put a brand new $80 crank sensor on it and crack the hell out of it putting on the cam sprocket. Spent $130 on a black top 1G CAS tonight. I knew what these things were about getting into them (but not how to work on them, apparantley!).

spyderdrifter · 06-04-2012, 07:32 PM

Yeah, I've already left it. I did try to start it once and only once to see if it was a fluke, but no deal. Got my buddy to help push it. Will be inspecting tomorrow after work. More to come then....

crash89 · 06-04-2012, 08:04 PM

If it sounds like this its a rod bearing.. This is my fresh built motor as of last week.. Back to running a stock shortblock..

Spun rod bearing - YouTube

spyderdrifter · 06-04-2012, 08:06 PM

Sounded way worse than that. Wounded more like gear teeth skipping or something.

DSMTyson · 06-04-2012, 08:22 PM

Oil pump gears is my guess.

spyderdrifter · 06-04-2012, 08:23 PM

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Oil pump gears is my guess.

So for that, would I just be replacing the entire front case?

spyderdrifter · 06-05-2012, 04:28 AM

So I was thinking about this on my way to work. My friend suggested that I blew the turbo, but I'm sure I didn't.someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if I blew the turbo, the engine would still run right? There wouldn't be any grinding sounds either I'm sure. Also forgot to mention last night that my timing belt is covered in oil. I'm sure that's kinda important to know....

empie1 · 06-05-2012, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by spyderdrifter

So I was thinking about this on my way to work. My friend suggested that I blew the turbo, but I'm sure I didn't.someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if I blew the turbo, the engine would still run right? There wouldn't be any grinding sounds either I'm sure. Also forgot to mention last night that my timing belt is covered in oil. I'm sure that's kinda important to know....

Your friend should stop talking out of his ass. Knocking noises are unrelated to the turbo. You need to drop the oil pan like mentioned earlier. This will immediately tell you if theres bearing damage. Timing belt covered in oil could be a bunch of different leaks...from filter housing gaskets, to oil pump gaskets...even the timing belt tensioner bolt can leak oil (hole goes threw block). It sounds like you are kinda new to cars....either bring it to a knowledgeable mechanic or get a manual and prepare to learn.

spyderdrifter · 06-05-2012, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by empie1

Your friend should stop talking out of his ass. Knocking noises are unrelated to the turbo. You need to drop the oil pan like mentioned earlier. This will immediately tell you if theres bearing damage. Timing belt covered in oil could be a bunch of different leaks...from filter housing gaskets, to oil pump gaskets...even the timing belt tensioner bolt can leak oil (hole goes threw block). It sounds like you are kinda new to cars....either bring it to a knowledgeable mechanic or get a manual and prepare to learn.

If I was in any kind of way new to cars, I never would have removed this engine from my car, nor rebuild my entire last DSM. Just because I'm having a problem I've never encountered before, doesn't mean I don't know what I'm doing. Please keep those kind or comments to yourself and out of the posts as this is about finding out what's wrong with the car, not people's experience, which I've been working on DSMs for 9 years now. Don't make assumptions about people's knowledge. I will be checking, but can't do much while I'm at work. Just fishing for ideas til I get off work.

chadillac2820 · 06-05-2012, 05:27 AM

It sounds like (from your description) that the oil pump and/or balance shaft failed. That would crack the front case and explain the noise and oil on your belt. You should tow it home as I don't think you will want to address this problem in your work parking lot.

spyderdrifter · 06-05-2012, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by chadillac2820

It sounds like (from your description) that the oil pump and/or balance shaft failed. That would crack the front case and explain the noise and oil on your belt. You should tow it home as I don't think you will want to address this problem in your work parking lot.

Thanks for the suggestion. That sounds quite plausible so I'll be checking the front case for sure.

empie1 · 06-06-2012, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by spyderdrifter

If I was in any kind of way new to cars, I never would have removed this engine from my car, nor rebuild my entire last DSM. Just because I'm having a problem I've never encountered before, doesn't mean I don't know what I'm doing. Please keep those kind or comments to yourself and out of the posts as this is about finding out what's wrong with the car, not people's experience, which I've been working on DSMs for 9 years now. Don't make assumptions about people's knowledge. I will be checking, but can't do much while I'm at work. Just fishing for ideas til I get off work.

. Let me get this straight..youve "worked on dsms for 9 years" and removed a engine, but yet lack the common sense to troubleshoot a knocking noise? Someone with knowledge like you claim to possess would compression test than drop the oil pan to start. Its common sense. Dont get your panties in a bunch cause you dont know that much about engine internal operation. The fact that you posted about the turbo being a possibility says a lot about how much you know. Dont post things on the internet and cry when you get a response you dont want to hear. You are clearly no expert on engines...maybe do some searching and learn a little before you run your mouth.

spyderdrifter · 06-06-2012, 05:22 AM

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. Let me get this straight..youve "worked on dsms for 9 years" and removed a engine, but yet lack the common sense to troubleshoot a knocking noise? Someone with knowledge like you claim to possess would compression test than drop the oil pan to start. Its common sense. Dont get your panties in a bunch cause you dont know that much about engine internal operation. The fact that you posted about the turbo being a possibility says a lot about how much you know. Dont post things on the internet and cry when you get a response you dont want to hear. You are clearly no expert on engines...maybe do some searching and learn a little before you run your mouth.

Ok guy, one, I didn't say the turbo was a possibility, I simply stated the my friend asked if it was. I told him no, because I know the engine would still run had I blown the turbo. I do research things quite often and learn things all the time. Two, I NEVER claimed to be an expert on engines. Had I made that claim, I wouldn't need this forum, or be asking any of you for help. There's no 'lack of common sense' on my part. I had a good idea of how to trouble shoot this problem despite never having this problem in 9 years. I simply didn't have my compression tester with me, how many people do you know that carry those in their back pockets? In addition to that, I'm not gonna get bitched at for dumping my oil out on the ground just to remove my oil pan. I don't carry my drip pan in my back pocket either. This is all stuff I'd be doing regardless of your pointless insults once I get my car back home.

You claim I'm just running my mouth when all I've done is seek help, and defend myself against your pointless post that didn't offer any kind of positive help. And it's not a knocking noise, if you've read my posts, it's a grinding noise. In fact, YOU'RE the only one in this thread who's said anything about a knocking noise. I think you need to learn to read everything before you talk out your ass. This makes me question your knowledge. So from here on, please keep your comments to yourself and don't post on my threads.....

Oh, you also have a few grammar and punctuation errors in your post, which I do believe is a violation of the posting rules.... you might want to check that out

I count 9 in punctuation, spelling, and wrong context. Plus there are two in your first post. Please correct yourself before trying to correct others. Don't flame me when you got some work to do on yourself first.

empie1 · 06-06-2012, 06:40 PM

Hahahahahahaha!! I could careless if you question my knowledge. I know my stuff and my car is the proof. For the record dummy, maybe re read what you typed in the first post, than read what everyone has said. I have zero respect for ignorance. Since your one of the obnoxious ones that likes to play the "forum rules card" as self defense, I'll oblige! Use the effing search feature and do some work before posting retarded threads. You could have At least found starting points for diagnosing your problem. Regardless if you understand how the actual engine operates, its common sense. Search, troubleshoot than post. Almost every problem you could run into with these cars has more than likely covered some where on the forum.
Btw do you honestly think anyone really gives a #### about you pointing out grammar mistakes?? Lol!!! Good one "guy". You got me. I'm stupid.lol

spyderdrifter · 06-06-2012, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by empie1

Hahahahahahaha!! I could careless if you question my knowledge. I know my stuff and my car is the proof. For the record dummy, maybe re read what you typed in the first post, than read what everyone has said. I have zero respect for ignorance. Since your one of the obnoxious ones that likes to play the "forum rules card" as self defense, I'll oblige! Use the effing search feature and do some work before posting retarded threads. You could have At least found starting points for diagnosing your problem. Regardless if you understand how the actual engine operates, its common sense. Search, troubleshoot than post. Almost every problem you could run into with these cars has more than likely covered some where on the forum.
Btw do you honestly think anyone really gives a #### about you pointing out grammar mistakes?? Lol!!! Good one "guy". You got me. I'm stupid.lol

Again, I did ask you to keep your retarded comments to yourself since they do not add insightful help to this posting. If you wish to call yourself stupid, that's your problem, but don't call me the dummy. I've been quite nice about this and wish to have no further dialogue with you on here. I have zero respect for those that wish to ensue in pointless comments to insult others who only ask for help. Don't judge me, but instead take a long look in the mirror and judge yourself.

DSM1G90 · 06-06-2012, 09:51 PM

Better watch out for flaming other members on here.

empie1 is no better than anyone else if he's making claims like that

Let's all just work together to have fun and help out in this forum-why we're on here.

Things happen to all of us like me blowing up an ECU when I accidently shorted out a sensor...and don't tell me that empie1 didn't have his share of mistakes.

I commend Spyder for at least trying his best, for I've never done a motor rebuild on my own outside of helping others with the same task.

I'm more into the timing aspect with the motor.

-DSM

LandoAWD · 06-07-2012, 08:50 AM

Both of you need to cut the shit. Period.

No more warnings.

DuricsmitGST · 06-07-2012, 09:22 AM

That was entertaining...did you get the car home yet? I'm curious to know what failed. you said this is your new engine... is it possible that an internal bolt came loose? my buddies evo had a loose oil squirter on his fresh 2.3 build.

spyderdrifter · 06-07-2012, 11:42 AM

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That was entertaining...did you get the car home yet? I'm curious to know what failed. you said this is your new engine... is it possible that an internal bolt came loose? my buddies evo had a loose oil squirter on his fresh 2.3 build.

No, haven't gotten it home yet. Called off work yesterday so I could catch up on sleep for once, so that didn't get me anywhere with my car. It's the original engine, all I did was replace the water pump, head gasket, and timing belt. Didn't remove anything from the head, or the block other than the accessory components, timing parts, and oil pan. Until I get my car home, anything is possible.

Getting it home tonight.

DSM1G90 · 06-07-2012, 02:55 PM

Good luck as always. - DSM

igluna · 06-07-2012, 03:04 PM

why did you replace the head gasket? Maybe coolant mixing with the oil wore the bearing prematurely?

WES_393 · 06-07-2012, 03:20 PM

Seems like it's time to drain the oil and search for metal flakes. If you find any, I would drop the pan and check the bearings. Unfortunately that's really the next step to take. If you need any assistance, let me know.

spyderdrifter · 06-07-2012, 03:27 PM

Thanks guys, will be draining and dropping the oil pan, then sift through with my magnet. Will be looking at the bearings and oil pump/ front case as well. Igluna, I replaced the gasket just for the sake of being able to know the age of it, same as with the timing belt. Didn't want to go through the hassle of replacing the water pump and have one of the others go out soon after. Just a preventive measure on my part.

WES_393 · 06-07-2012, 03:39 PM

One other thing to check before you tear off the pan: Make sure your crank pulley is still bolted on tight. I had mine nearly fall off while driving down the road which made it thump against the engine bay. It sounded very much like a spun bearing, but only took a 12mm wrench and a few minutes to fix.

spyderdrifter · 06-07-2012, 05:20 PM

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One other thing to check before you tear off the pan: Make sure your crank pulley is still bolted on tight. I had mine nearly fall off while driving down the road which made it thump against the engine bay. It sounded very much like a spun bearing, but only took a 12mm wrench and a few minutes to fix.

Good call. I had a similar problem on my last Spyder, but I broke the crank pulley. Car should be home shortly. Just got her on the trailer. I'll definitely check that out first.

rEclipserGST · 06-07-2012, 05:31 PM

Check for shaft play in & out, side to side on turbo.

Check the harmonic balancer (crank pulley). Could be bolted on tight, but the rubber could have separated in the inside. Must remove to inspect.

I probably would have pulled the head before the oil pan honestly. Either way, on to the next.

Check to make sure the rockers & lifters are functional. Pitting on pistons & other obvious signs of abnormal wear.

Check flywheel & pressure plate even. Bolts caught in there could make terrible noise.

spyderdrifter · 06-07-2012, 08:34 PM

Well, my rear balance shaft sprocket didn't have the bolt in place and bored a hole through the timing cover, which explains the scrapping sound I had, which cause the timing to jump. I can move my intake cam by hand even with the timing belt on, so my valves are most likely shot. Pulling my engine out tomorrow and tearing it down to see what all is damaged. Upgrades will soon follow along with a trip to the machine shop.