2.3L+GT35R+M62 = My good friend Ray...

[dr1665]

He's at it again.

I spent the day helping Ray get his new engine ready to go in the Talon. The turbo is supposed to show up early this week, but he and our mutaual friend "Ninja Mike" (dude is literally a ninja) should be dropping this new mill back into the Talon right now so everything is ready to go when it arrives. I'm hoping he can figure out a way to get to the Shootout, as he's moving back east the week after next. Maybe he'll just show up or something, but I know he's got a lot on his plate for this month...

In any case, I'm gonna miss turning wrenches with my good friend Ray. It's refreshing to be around someone who doesn't just do things the way everyone else does them. Things about this build that will make some people twitch...

- He's using the composite head gasket instead of the MLS.
- He has an SRT4 FMIC on the front of his car that's filled with water.
- He doesn't use DSMlink or a stand alone to tune.
- He daily drives the car with air conditioning.
- He has airplane landing lights mounted to his side mirrors. (It's a rally thing.)

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Oh yeah. And he's got 272s in it now too. Last time out twincharged, the car made over 450awhp on a stock 6-bolt, stock head, home made .54trim 18g with twin intercoolers. I hope I get a ride in this beast before he hits the road. Naaaaaaasty.

Finally, for those who are curious, the charge routes like this:
Filter > GT35R compressor > Eaton M62 superchargerin > air-to-water intercooler > throttle body.

So should you be somewhere out east and happen to roll up next to a white 1GB TSi AWD with some "goofy looking" fog lights on the side mirrors, don't even bother. I think Ray said he's looking for 500ft-lbs of torque and, as well as I know Ray, he's going to have most of that before 3000rpm and hold it out until at least 6000rpm.

Latz

 

[fwdmaster]

Power on demand!, Nice setup

 

[No_Skillz]

Umm... superturboner?

 

[EDM95]

Eaton M62 superchargerin and turbo

 

[Car_guy_09]

Wow....

 

[Locke]

You're right. It makes me twitch.

Crazy-ass.

 

[cs82685]

Damn Driggs, that looks ridiculous. Where's he moving out east, maybe I can get a ride

 

[aero_sallee]

Thats pretty damn sweet compared to the last setup. Can't wait to hear the results.

 

[16g-2ndgen]

thats freakin awsome!

 

[kahl23]

Where is he moving to? What kind of drivetrain is he running to cope with that torque?

 

[RayPeters]

Hey everyone, been a long time since I written much on my Talon's existence, now that my good buddy Brian has leaked some photos and the specs I should be a nice guy and drop some more photos and info in here.
Some updates;
1. GT35R
2. Fixed the Intake manifold flow problems.
3. Tubular exhaust manifold, external waste-gate
4. All Aluminum IC piping and it is super short thanks to water to air inter-cooling
5. 2.3l w/ 8.3 JE Pistons, 4340 H-Beam rods, Balanced and blueprinted
6. 1600 cc Pintle Injectors
7. DS-Map Speed Density Conversion -- All the features none of the cost
8. 272 Cams
9. NO Emissions test in Alabama!! (hint - this is where I'm moving to)
If everything gets here it should be running over the weekend, break-in will be a while, 8psi limit and then we'll see what it feels like.

 

[vaboys2ndgen]

thats insane! can't wait for video going to sounds interesting i'm sure

 

[turboglenn]

Wow, that's absolutely insane and just my type of eye candy

Very nice work and please, please, please throw up a video with some pavement/dirt pounding action.. I've got to witness a launch from a standstill at a measly 3k RPM with that Eaton making teh bottom end healthy

 

[Thomas91169]

Wow, that's absolutely insane and just my type of eye candy

Very nice work and please, please, please throw up a video with some pavement/dirt pounding action.. I've got to witness a launch from a standstill at a measly 3k RPM with that Eaton making teh bottom end healthy

methinks launching at 3k will be pretty boring. even with a 35r, you could set antilag and studderbox and build up enough boost to the point where adding a heaton wouldnt do much of anything but make a real loud whine as it spins hot air into what otherwise would be a pretty efficient setup. this is of course if it was a straightline car.

sounds more of like a autoX or road-race setup, a very torquey powerband that would be perfect to get in and out of turns in a brisk fashion and blast down the straights like no other. I hope a set of big brakes is also on the drawing board.

 

[twack]

Awesome, good to hear from you again ray. cant wait to see the finished setup but can we get that cooler away from the manifold this time?

 

[RayPeters]

Awesome, good to hear from you again ray. cant wait to see the finished setup but can we get that cooler away from the manifold this time?

It really isn't hot there. Maybe now with the uncovered manifold I will have to revisit it, it also mounts across the top of the cooling fans on the Radiator so there are options if you still can't sleep at night.

Thomas91169: The setup is for rally, rally X and fun street driving. It is really nice not to have to shift everytime I want some decent boost. The last setup made full boost (25psi) @ 2500 rpm and pulled like a mack truck. the 2.3 should be enough bigger to produce approx the same results with the 35R. I've driven enough large turbo DSM's on the street to know I don't like waiting until 4K for the fun to start. That being said, the eaton does make some heat when asked for high pressures, but @ 8psi it should only raise the outlet tems 70-80 degrees. I've got enough cold water and a 500 gph intercooler pump so there shouldn't be heat soak issues.

Now if I can just get some flipping parts to show up here I might get you guys those pics and videos.

Ray

 

[MidShipCivic]

The Turbo/Super setup was found to work better alone when tried with the turbo performed better w/o the supercharger and vice versa . It's is discussed in a project section of an EMS basics with a v6 MR2 by jeff hartman.

I'm not sure why it comes out to be that way.

 

[Locke]

^^ For peak power, either one alone would probably be better, but I don't think thats the point here.

25psi at 2500rpm on his last setup - I think thats the point.

 

[eclipsh]

^^ For peak power, either one alone would probably be better, but I don't think thats the point here.

25psi at 2500rpm on his last setup - I think thats the point.

Word.

Good luck with the move Ray. Mind if I swing down to trade engines and front ends this weekend?

 

[MidShipCivic]

^^ For peak power, either one alone would probably be better, but I don't think thats the point here.

25psi at 2500rpm on his last setup - I think thats the point.

No I actually don't see a point, because I have no figures on graphs or comparisons to just being turbocharged on this particular 4g63.

 

[RayPeters]

No I actually don't see a point, because I have no figures on graphs or comparisons to just being turbocharged on this particular 4g63.

I don't have any either yet, the engine hasn't even been started yet.

The last setup did well, 2l engines don't make 25 psi @ 2500 rpm with either a turbo or a supercharger alone and then make 450 hp too. That is really the point. More low end, More mid range, and still decent top end. I will not argue that a gt 35r on a 2.3 alone will make crazy fun top end power, but this isn't a drag car, on pavement I've broken input shafts to the transmission with the 2.0 setup so there are limitations to just holding it on the studderbox @ 3000 and banging it through the gears. My goals are different than that. Hundreds of people take their DSM to the drag strip every weekend. Lancia used this setup in world rally in he late 80's before the rules prevented multiple supercharging devices and it was very successful. I am after big torque and loads of drivability.

Parts update, I have the IC piping and Fedex claims to want to deliver the turbo today....we shall see.


Ray

 

[Locke]

Be sure to keep us updated.

I am always interested in your crazy ass build threads.

 

[MidShipCivic]

Lancia used this setup in world rally in he late 80's before the rules prevented multiple supercharging devices and it was very successful. I am after big torque and loads of drivability.



Ray

Lancia also had a dump truck gear box for those mid engine 4wd cars .

Figuratively speaking.

 

[twack]

Hey Ray you ever tried to run on just the supercharger? I sometimes wonder what it would feel like to drive a supercharged dsm

 

[RayPeters]

Hey Ray you ever tried to run on just the supercharger? I sometimes wonder what it would feel like to drive a supercharged dsm

Feels about like driving a cobalt or GTP pontiac. 8 psi isn't any better one way or the other. Tomorrow I start the beast, I'll be posting some vids and pics now that it is installed.

Ray