TCE or BAER brakes?

[EuroGSTSpyder]

So I am in the middle of geting better brakes and have a hard time deciding betwen the

BAER upgrade : 13" slotted crossdrilled rotors, SSlines,2piston calipers and all hardwatre to mount it ..Here I can get a better rotor for the rear later on but saty with stock calipers in the rear.

and...


TEC 13" rotors slotted,4piston calipers,SSlines and all hardware to mount it.
Now the TCE is a little more expencive but also carries a 4piston caliper,wich means I canot get that caliper for the rear later on.If I go for the 6piston I can also upgrade rear to same standard(6 piston caliper) later on when I can afford those ones...

What seems to be the beter choice here?

 

[1LE]

Aren't the TCE kits using Wilwood calipers? If so, you *may* not want to do that for street use. Wilwood calipers are meant for racetrack use. They do not have all the nice little dust shielding, etc. that a normal street caliper has. May not be a big deal to you, but it is to me

 

[Blizz92tsi]

hey EuroGSTSpyder,
I can only comment on the Baer kit. I had their track upgrade (just like what you described) on my last dsm and absolutely loved them. My abs quit working on that car (before brakes were done) and with those brakes and the tires I had stopping wasn't an issue and I didn't really miss the abs. The rotors looked awesome behind the wheels. We're talking gigantic. I always got comments on those. I can't say how hard the install was because I had a brake shop do them for me, but I didn't get any complaints from the shop. The only problem I had was you have to run 17+ wheels. The next time around I'll probably have an extra set of front rotors to use for every day and drags and then keep the 13s for autocross and roadrace events. Here's my $.02 on the Baer's I hope that helps. Later.

 

[Blizz92tsi]

hey,
One more thing. I personally thought the Baer's were the best bang for the buck as for as "big" brake upgrades went. If memory serves me correctly I think replacing the brakes on the entire car was a little over $1000. This was for the Baer Track Upgrade up front, powerslot rotors, ss lines, and pads in the rear. I would do that set up again in a heart beat! Anyone got an extra $1000 they don't want?

 

[EuroGSTSpyder]

Thanx for input all Will try to decide soon casue when I get hte money I will buy my brakes..LEaning towards TCE/Wilwwod though...but I will se...
Peace and thanxc for helpin!

 

[GRNDSM]

A couple of more things to keep in mind. Wilwood now offers "all weather (sealed)" version of those calipers. Which does make the kit more expensive. But most of all, TCE/Wilwood kit is MUCH lighter. As I recall, it is less than half the weight! So if you are trying to build the lightest possible car, they do make a better choice.

Leon
RR

 

[kody001]

A different thought....

Before u spend the extra bucks... think out how much power to have and how much in hp mods you are doing b4 u buy. The Bear is a great upgrade for the "money" even with mods up the 400-450 hp but if u really going serious with your mods.. then you may be better off with the 4 or 6 caliper brakes..

Also, with the Bear... even though u get the 13" rotors.. zinc, slotted and drilled (nice) the calipers u get only us 10" of that...... anyone that has the bear track will be able to verify that..

Good luck..

cody

 

[focusedrage]

i dont own either of them, but here is some food for thought:

2 kinds of wheight in a car, rolling mass and sprung mass.

reducing the rolling mass can increase power throughput dramaticaly; think, light flywheel, carbon drive shafts, light breaks, light wheels.
why do you think the enzo has carbon ceramic rotors?

so with that in mind i would go with the tce

 

[Omega]

I have the BAER Track kit on my Formula. I must say, they are the best addition I have made to any car I have bought.

Any idiot can install them, it doesn't take much time at all. If you have changed rotors before then you can certainly put these on.

kody001 is correct. They do not utilize the entire rotor surface area. I was a little annoyed about this also. When you upgrade to the next level calipers that does change. Only the inner section (about 1/2") is not used.. technicly it doesn't matter since the further out the caliper is, the less force is required.

They are a great kit. I will be putting them on my Talon once I get some bigger rims and a set of winter rims as well.

I really don't care that the rear brakes will be smaller than the front. The only time I have ever upgraded the rear brakes was when I had drums. To be honest, I never noticed a difference between a drum and disc rear (12" rotors might I add).. but that is just my opinion.

 

[LONEWOLF01]

I am looking for a big brake kit already running 17 rims. I heard that the wilwoods are not street friendly. I would like to get the wilwoods but I have the north east winters to deal with.

 

[Flash]

Why wouldn't they be street friendly? I don't understand.

 

[jtmcinder]

I am looking for a big brake kit already running 17 rims. I heard that the wilwoods are not street friendly. I would like to get the wilwoods but I have the north east winters to deal with.

In this forum, we're not particularly interested in what you've heard; we're only interested in what you know.

Yes, way back when, Wilwoods didn't have the seals that you'd want on a street-driven car, but as pointed out in this very thread, the street-friendly seals are available.

Personally, if Todd at TCE still exists, I'd call him. There's also KNS that's on the east coast and they're great for Evos, so they could probably help you, too (and they have good prices to boot).

Finally, try to ignore a lot that was said in this thread, such as not getting 6-pot fronts because no-one makes a 6-pot rear to match it. That was giggle-worthy and not much more.

 

[Ludachris]

I am looking for a big brake kit already running 17 rims. I heard that the wilwoods are not street friendly. I would like to get the wilwoods but I have the north east winters to deal with.

You've heard wrong. The dust seals were a problem 8+ years ago, not anymore. That would be the only thing that would make them inadequate for the street. Check with TCE first, plenty of options for you.

 

[LiquidX]

The only other thing to consider is the materials you will be using for the rotors and pads. Hard pads will stop quicker but at a cost to the rotor and noise. There could also be an issue with needing to pre heat the pads/rotor to have the full stopping power provided depending on the specific materials used which more that likely you won't even be considering getting.

Big brake kits are just what it says, larger rotors, larger calipers (have more pistons), and larger pads. You will be fine.

I would like to hear your reasoning for why you feel you need a big brake kit. Powerslot with Hawk HP+ pads work excellent for me personally but they do squeal a good bit. I would at least consider getting the bigger 2 piston calipers however at the minimum.

 

[pagosa dsm]

I have both,Baer,PBR calipers and rotors on the front and rear. I fabbed the hardware for the install on them. I used 2002 Cobra front calipers and 12X 1.18" rotors. You can use 13X 1.18" rotors, but I have 16" wheels.

I used 96 Corvette PBR calipers and 12X 3/4 rotors in the rear. The rear calipers have a hand brake with it,

With this set up the brakes are working very well. I have a minimal investment of $ 100.00 for the front and $ 300.00 for the rear. I would recommend this set up.
Rick

 

[LONEWOLF01]

sorry guys for taking so long to respond I come from a ser nissan sr20 background. A lot of guys was running willwood brakes back in the day 1995-2000. I have seen massive failure on the street, so thats why i had the preconception of willwood not doing so well on the street. (they kick butt on the track) now that you've said they fixed these problems (its been 10 years) i would consider getting them.

quick question when I do get the brakes would the lines mount up to the hard line on the frame or to the hard line thats on the shock tower? Reason why I am asking is because I have coil overs and i really don't like using zip ties to hold them in I would have to change them after every winter.

The only other thing to consider is the materials you will be using for the rotors and pads. Hard pads will stop quicker but at a cost to the rotor and noise. There could also be an issue with needing to pre heat the pads/rotor to have the full stopping power provided depending on the specific materials used which more that likely you won't even be considering getting.

Big brake kits are just what it says, larger rotors, larger calipers (have more pistons), and larger pads. You will be fine.

I would like to hear your reasoning for why you feel you need a big brake kit. Powerslot with Hawk HP+ pads work excellent for me personally but they do squeal a good bit. I would at least consider getting the bigger 2 piston calipers however at the minimum.

gutting interior, fully built motor,transmission, the car is nowhere near its factory power handling. I have a rule if you make more horse power you need to make more stopping power. two piston caliper is ridiculous when you make anything over 500 whp. Do you know any car that comes stock with two piston caliper when making 500 hp to the wheels?

To top it all off why not its not like it wont be used. Have you drove in NYC streets in Midtown those taxi cabs are gangsta drivers!!!! I need good brakes for these city streets!!!!

 

[Spyder FX]

A good alternative to zip ties for the brake lines is to use stainless steel safety wire. It won't get brittle and break off like cheap plastic zip ties are proned to doing.

 

[LiquidX]

Have you drove in NYC streets in Midtown those taxi cabs are gangsta drivers!!!

No, I don't go to the city, I go to upstate NY (Niagara, Rochester). Gansta drivers? I don't understand what you mean.

 

[GsXdSmKingGsX]

To top it all off why not its not like it wont be used. Have you drove in NYC streets in Midtown those taxi cabs are gangsta drivers!!!! I need good brakes for these city streets!!!!

Excuse you?

 

[LONEWOLF01]

No, I don't go to the city, I go to upstate NY (Niagara, Rochester). Gansta drivers? I don't understand what you mean.

Gangsta not gansta I never heard of that I guess you have to come down to understand drive in the city. I was just bugging out because I am about to spend money on brakes. Don't take all my words verbatim.

Also is it me ar tce has went up on prices with their brakes?
The 13" street/track kit- $1469 I could had swore it was $1389