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In response to a "tire width vs. wheel width" question from a Moderator

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Luke@tirerack

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Apparently there have been many question regarding tire width to wheel width correlation so, here is a sort of technical response.

While tires can and do fit a wheel width range (i.e. a 225/45-17 range is 7" - 9") there are serious issues going outside that range

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in figure "A"
the tire size is properly mated to the wheel width. That type of setup would allow the tire to achieve the best possible control of the contact patch and offer the most support for the weight of the vehicle.

in figure "B"
the tire is too narrow for the wheel so, as you can clearly see the sidewalls are not anywhere close to verticle which would cause the tire to not have the proper load capacity or control of the contact patch thus reducing it's ability to perform it's job and creating more heat.

in figure "C"
the tire is way too wide for the wheel and just as in figure "B" the load capacity is adversely effected as well as contact patch control because of the excessive sidewall roll over.

in both figure "B" and "C" the sidewall of the tires are under extreme stress which can cause several things to happen.


just to mention a few:
#1.) catastrophic sidewall failure due to load issues
#2.) complete tire failure due to excessive heat being generated by additional flex and/or roll of the sidewall
#3.) adversely effected handling since the sidewalls can not control the contact area properly
#4.) beaking of the tire bead area under extreme cornering causing immediate loss of air pressure and vehicular control.

I mentioned load capacity as a very important issue in my previous statements so, let's consider the idea of running a capacity that is too low .... what happens:
the tire is put into a condition where it can support the car at a static rest point but, when driven aggressively the sidewalls are so over worked they can not properly control the contact patch of the tire allowing for excessive sidewall roll-over, irregular wear tread block and contact patch flex which robs the tires performance ability and grip. also the added flexing of the tire will increase the heat it generates which can make a tire feel really slippery .... and if you can't utilize the power you're making nothing else matters afterall the tires are the only item on your car touching the road ....

A good way to understand this is: let's say I just put a 100lb. back pack on you .... you can stand there for quite a while (that's your car sitting in a parking lot) now go run up and down some stairs with that back pack .... that's normal driving and you can't do that very well, nearly as fast or for very long before your legs give out .... after you've recovered enough to walk (let the car rest once you arrive at the venue for your autoX), take a 500 meter sprint through deep sand, that's your autoX and you will most likely not make it to the finish without falling atleast once if you can finish at all.
 

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Good info Luke. I have a related question. It's common knowledge that within reasonable limits improved lateral grip can be acheived with wider tires. It is also commonly accepted that a tire performs best when it is mounted on a wheel that is to the wider side of tires approved range. Given this, we can assume a 225 width tire would perform better on an 8.5-inch wheel than a 7-inch wheel. But on the 8.5-inch wheel, which should perform better, a 225 tire at its maximum wheel width, or a 255 tire at (or near) the minimum?
 
The best answer to Ron's question, which will depend on the weight of the car, as well as the specific tire employed, can probably best be found by looking at what tires people are running in autocross classes with limits on wheels. For example, if you want to know whether a 225 or 245 R-compound is better on a 7.5" wheel, find cars that weigh about the same as yours and come on 7.5"-wide wheels. Then go see what they run on in Stock. Similarly, if you are wondering which street tires to run, go look at the cars in STS.

As to Ron's specific question, this isn't even close. If you have 8.5" wheels on a DSM, then you want 245/45/16 or 245/40/17s. There are no 255s in the proper diameter and 8.5" is almost too much for 225s.

- Jtoby

ps. Luke: if you have any influence, please put in (another) word with Kumho to make a 275/40/16 or a 275/35/17 R-comp; those would rock
 
jtmcinder said:
There are no 255s in the proper diameter and 8.5" is almost too much for 225s.

I used this as an extreme example, not to indicate that that it would fit. Besides, whats wrong with 255/40/17's?
 
You cannot get a 255 to tuck in the rear (assuming upper-arm spacers about 3/8" thick), no matter how much you roll the fender-lips. Combine that with the loss in gearing (compared with 245/45/16 or 245/40/17) and it just isn't worth the extra 10mm of tread.

Trust me, it's been tried, as has 275/40/17 (by DG). These days, once you commit to the rears not tucking, it's 285/30/18. Do not "waste" money on anything in between.

- Jtoby
 
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