Deflating "green dot retreads"

[dsm-onster]

I don't know much about retreads. but is it ok to deflate them to get more traction? or will they screw up, i.e. come apart and kill me at 100mph at the end of the 1/4.

 

[Bostedquest]

I don't know much about retreads. but is it ok to deflate them to get more traction? or will they screw up, i.e. come apart and kill me at 100mph at the end of the 1/4.

Most if not all areas retreads are illegal to run on the front.
Why? in case they blow out, which they have alot more tendency to do.

 

[dsm-onster]

so, to reduce the likelihood of a blowout on the track, i suppose i should inflate the tire to the normal psi, right?

 

[Bostedquest]

so, to reduce the likelihood of a blowout on the track, i suppose i should inflate the tire to the normal psi, right?

No, you should not run re-treads on the front period; unless they have some guarantee with them.

 

[dsm-onster]

Well I was looking at Green Dot Retreads you know from www.retreadsunlimited.com .

here's a post about them on dsmtalk and there are some here too: http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=133750&highlight=legal+retreads#post133750

The high performance z class have gotten good FWD reviews from my research and they are vulcanized with sticky rubber for high dry grip performance. Why would they be created to stick for traction at the beginning of the run just to come apart at the end?

...no sarcasm just confused .

P.S. Arn't Z rated tires rated for 149mph+? or is the "z class" retreads a totaly different rating system?

here's more research.

 

[khendriksma1]

Most if not all areas retreads are illegal to run on the front.
Why? in case they blow out, which they have alot more tendency to do.

That is COMPLETELY untrue. You can legally run retreads on the the front of almost any vehicle. I have worked in the tire industry for over 16 years so don't think what I am telly you is BS.

 

[ndilo21]

That is COMPLETELY untrue. You can legally run retreads on the the front of almost any vehicle. I have worked in the tire industry for over 16 years so don't think what I am telly you is BS.

He means illegal at the track, not on the street.

 

[Bostedquest]

He means illegal at the track, not on the street.

And if they are legal to run on the street why can't rigs run them on the fronts? It's ILLEGAL, meaning NOT ALLOWED. The driver can lose his license if he is caught doing it. It is a MAJOR safety violation.

Could you run them on the street/track? Sure. Would I? hell no. It is not worth it to save a few bucks to get them a little cheaper and then have them blow apart on you.
They are not redone like normal tires are made. They have a clear and defined seperation mark, and when it gets too hot, or too dry they fail, where a "normal" tire would not.

If you want to risk having your fronts pop on you, go for it. Just hope you have full coverage, and your insurance company does not have a clause about using retreads, as many do now.

 

[khendriksma1]

And if they are legal to run on the street why can't rigs run them on the fronts? It's ILLEGAL, meaning NOT ALLOWED. The driver can lose his license if he is caught doing it. It is a MAJOR safety violation.

You are completely wrong about rigs running them on the front. You would be surprised how many garbage trucks use them on the front. The ONLY law against running retreads on a vehicle is that they are not allowed on the front of passenger buses.

They are not redone like normal tires are made. They have a clear and defined seperation mark, and when it gets too hot, or too dry they fail, where a "normal" tire would not.

These Green DOT retreads are made using a very similar process to new tires. The main difference that the retreads only involve the remanufacturing the tread area. The equipment used to cure the rubber on the new tire vs. the retreaded tire is very similar.

I could really care less what you use on your car. I just don't like seeing everyone fed with this mis-information.

 

[dsm-onster]

is it worth it to deflate them to get more traction? I've been reading up on the the Tire Retread Information Bureaus website, http://www.retread.org/ and there are alot of myths about retreads out there. Maybe that's why us FWDers have slower times retreads are very inexpensive. As it stands I can get a Karking LSD (ATB?), wide sticky retreads, and cheap rims for about $1000? and then i could break 2.0sec 60 foot times for sure! where most AWD guys are at w/ street tires. AWD conversions are costing like $3000 now right?

 

[Bostedquest]

You are completely wrong about rigs running them on the front. You would be surprised how many garbage trucks use them on the front. The ONLY law against running retreads on a vehicle is that they are not allowed on the front of passenger buses.



These Green DOT retreads are made using a very similar process to new tires. The main difference that the retreads only involve the remanufacturing the tread area. The equipment used to cure the rubber on the new tire vs. the retreaded tire is very similar.

I could really care less what you use on your car. I just don't like seeing everyone fed with this mis-information.

1. A garbage truck is not a rig. And as I said RIGS (18 wheelers) CANNOT RUN THEM.
2. Retreads are considered Biased tires once retread. If you think they are not read up on the US HDot requirements for retreads. Just like once they are installed, the law requires the vehicle have a tire pressure monitor to warn of impending failures.
3. The info I posted is true.

 

[Bostedquest]

AWD conversions are costing like $3000 now right?

No, they cost what a wrecked AWD cost. Then you move the parts over. I have seen AWD sheels with full drivetrain/minus engine for under 600. Hell I can get one (but I also need to get trans) for 300. Most people want 3-400 shipped for the trans, so that is 700, well under 3K.

 

[dsm-onster]

No, they cost what a wrecked AWD cost. Then you move the parts over. I have seen AWD sheels with full drivetrain/minus engine for under 600. Hell I can get one (but I also need to get trans) for 300. Most people want 3-400 shipped for the trans, so that is 700, well under 3K.

That's awesome... But i have a secret confession: i actually like FWD. I like it in the corners (you have to know what you are doing), and i like it on the highway. AND I really want a sub 3000lb race weight car that will still get sub 2 sec 60 foots and has an ac and interior. I will eventually get a second dsm and if it's not awd i will convert it. I want both.

 

[98spydert]

1. A garbage truck is not a rig. And as I said RIGS (18 wheelers) CANNOT RUN THEM.
2. Retreads are considered Biased tires once retread. If you think they are not read up on the US HDot requirements for retreads. Just like once they are installed, the law requires the vehicle have a tire pressure monitor to warn of impending failures.
3. The info I posted is true.

Please post a link to your sources.

 

[khendriksma1]

1. A garbage truck is not a rig. And as I said RIGS (18 wheelers) CANNOT RUN THEM.
2. Retreads are considered Biased tires once retread. If you think they are not read up on the US HDot requirements for retreads. Just like once they are installed, the law requires the vehicle have a tire pressure monitor to warn of impending failures.
3. The info I posted is true.

You show me WHERE you find a law stating that retreads are illegal. The ONLY wheel position on ANY vehicle that is not allowed to run retreads is on the front of a passenger bus... and THAT is the truth. The info I am giving you can be found on www.retread.org. They handle retread-related questions world-wide. Why don't you just email Harvey Brodsky yourself and you will see.