talon vs viper

[metabolic666]

Well i was going to work and all of a sudden a viper is going my opposite way. At this point i start to wonder if i should chase it down and see if he wanted to play. F!@# it i pull a u-turn in the middle of road(this road is known for not having any cops) and give chase. When i get next to viper the guy looks over and him and his buddy start to laugh So i put it in 3rd to let him know i mean business. Well he downshifts and pulls up about a 1 car lengths, I floor it still having it in third and as soon as boost kicks I pull hard on it and just fly by as the guys jaw just drops. At the next lights the passenger is yelling at the driver and they both start arguing. long story short dont buy 80k cars oh and i still made it to work on time

 

[airbrat]

I'd still take a Viper over a DSM any day....

gee whiz, are you like everyone else that assumes just because you buy a car over $50, 60, 70, 80K that it should destroy everything on the street???

 

[candela]

I'd still take a Viper over a DSM any day....

gee whiz, are you like everyone else that assumes just because you buy a car over $50, 60, 70, 80K that it should destroy everything on the street???

 

[red91tsiawd]

candela used to! now hopefully by theend of the summer i'll b able to also!

 

[echo]

i don't know about any of you, but if i spend $70k+ on a sports car i expect it to be a bad ass.

anyways good kill

 

[D-Money]

Hell yes If i do pay 60+ I do expecet it to not have hardly any street comp exp from a eagle talon tsi awd that is 10.000 and under and only 6,000 or under(maybe) in aftermarket.

 

[Auladan]

First off, how much boost you running. Second whats your compression ratio? third what kind of fuel you use?

Las question what kind of Viper was it? a newer RT10? or an older one. An easy way to tell is the triangle air intake in the front.

Oh and how much money have ya put into your car? How much have you had to replace?

 

[metabolic666]

im running 20 pounds. pump gas. there's only about 8k in the car. it was a newer one cuz my buddy works at the dealer. oh 9:1 on je pistons eagel rods and why does it sound like everyone's hating. this is a dsm site right? stop whining cuz you cant beat anything credible so you take out your frustation on the guy who beat a viper oh and just yesterday i beat a supercharged gt, anyone wanna hate on that or AM I GONNA GET SOME PROPS AROUND HERE!?

 

[Auladan]

not hating on anything or anyone. just wanting to see what you got runnin. Hmm thats a pretty high compression for runnin 20 lbs of presure on pump gas. Have you ran into detonation problems or plugs getting fouled? So 20 lbs of pressure on a super20G. I know of cars with 25 lbs of boost that are running low 11's but thats again with high boost and racing fuel to stop detonation.

But to say that you stomped a viper, I don't know. If it was a 2003 model that thing is sittin stock with 500 horses and 520 ft lbs of torque..

As far as beating the GT. I wouldn't doubt it. A supercharged GT only yields about 9PSI which gives that car about 75-100 horses over the normal load which gives it about 350 horses. your pushing like 450 or so with that turbo? Thats quite the difference. But throw a turbo on that mustang.....it would scream.

As far as whining cause I can't beat anything....im not whining about it and who cares. I am not going to risk my life or the risk the lives of others racing cars on the street. if your going to race, take it to the track and do it right. I have heard of too many people dying racing on the street. Not to mention that I have nothing to prove by beating peoples cars. Whats that matter? Does that make you better? You like your car. thats great. people by vipers for stature and speed, and driveability. Not because they tihnk it will blow the socks off of everything out there. Why do people buy BMW's? same reason. Mercedez? same reason.

 

[D-Money]

My bad man if it felt like I was against you in anyway. I personally would rather see the dsm come out on top in that battle. Good Kill keep on slaughtering those high end cars. Just had to say if I payed that much it would probably be on a nissan skyline that ran 11s daily and mid to low 10's when things are at their best. Know what I mean.

Damian

 

[Auladan]

well on that note I'd find myself an F-body car. camaro or firebird, spend about....ooooh 4K or so on it and have it in the low 10s.

Love them domestics. Give props to the skylines though. GO V6

 

[metabolic666]

call me old school but i still like the occasional, spontaneous race on the street. of course when its not traffic hour either. i live in an area where its mostly back roads and ive been doing this for 7 yrs now. i think i now when to run and when not to. and as far as buying a stang to run 10' or 11's.F!@# THAT i will never buy muscle car ive been in this sport too long just give into the whole v8 thing. a slightly modded gsx with proper setup and tuning will walk on a stang. i give props to any car that is fast,4,6,8,10....whatever. i had the opportunity to buy a v8 and chose to stay with the 4 cylinder. i hate people who only fix up their cars because thats all they have, they do what they can with what they've got. i on the other hand have made the choice to stick with a DSM,because the potential is incredible and its the funnest thing i've ever driven. i have owned preludes, crx's and have done it all and by far the dsm is the best.long story short if you like someting other than a "sport compact" then go somewhere else. we dont want you. and im not just picking on one person this applies to all who say "damn i wish i had a mustang " and when i fly by your ass and you have this stupid look on your face like "what the hell, how did you beat my v8?" all im gonna do is give you the one finger salute

 

[99 gst 420a dsm]

i'll throw ya mad probs bro, i like high dollar cars as much as the next guy, but to woop some guys ass who has 10 times as much money into his car is just instant respect, i take $H!T like that all the time, "well if i turbo'ed my V8 i would stomp u" and all that. vipers dont impress me anyway, when your out there dusting Cerrera 4's and Esprits thats when i get frustrated, but its still nice to see the look on their faces. and also..... most people that spend that much money on a car cant drive for crap

 

[Auladan]

Welp thats great you like your 4 cylinder cars. I guess if thats what you like then great!! As far as sayng that V8s are crap? no. sorry my friend, but there are 4 more cylinders in these cars for a reason. Any mod you can do to a 4 cylinder you can do to an 8 cylinder, and the 8 will always have more power. No replacement for displacement. i will agree with you though that people with high dollar cars usually do not know how to drive So on that note, are you saying that the guy that he raced against that had the viper didn't know how to drive?\

A slightly modded GXT-GSX setup will walk a 10 second stang? hmm not really sure on that one. I checked your profile and your car isn't exacly lightly modded

Second, take a mustang GT with very slight mods, being exhaust and intake. Then a GST with slight mods being exhaust and intake STOCK. The mustang will win. (if based purely on numbers) It has more horses, and WAY more torque then either GST or GSX. Now your car modded the way it is, yah it'll walk lots of stuff but stock? i think not. So before you say V8s are crap, think about it


about another comment. You said that youd fly by people that had a V8 and they would say "howd he beat my V8?" and youd just laugh and give the finger cause your highly modded car is way better then a stock V8. ok. So in light of this, there are Motorcycles out there that are stock that would SCREAM past a stock DSM. So your saying that the bike is better? woudl you say "what the hell? how did that 2 cylinder beat my turbo'd four cylinder?"

take it easy!

 

[metabolic666]

i think you missed what i was trying to say. how the hell is someone gonna get on a dsm site and say i wish i had a mustang or any other car stay true to the site and to the people who started it. i believe you also missed the part where it said this is not for one single person but to a whole. but if you want me to talk shit to you, i'll be more than glad to. f!@# V8'S.IM AN IMPORT DRAG RACER AND IVE DONE IT ALL, YOU HERE ME "ALL". ive been to the track, ive been on the street, ive been on the dirt, ive seen it all also.like i had said i have respect for all types of motorsports, no matter what the engine size. but at the same time why buy some nova with a 350 all hooked that will probably run 12's reliably when a gsx hooked up is far more reliable and would get more of my respect any day, just because it has half the cylinders. and yes they do have 4 more cylinders for a reason. so that middle aged men can remember the days when they could get it up and so that i have something to shoot at the firing range. if you want a v8 get off this site and go get one. stay with what you like, and the rest of us who like dsm's can have more space to talk shit about you.

 

[nex]

Originally posted by Auladan
No replacement for displacement.

You left off the most important part....


No replacement for displacement except great engineering...


I personally think v8's are cool as hell, but, you really can't compare the two engines. It's like comparing a hammer to a scalpel...

 

[Phoenix_RsX]

yeah pretty much.....Vipers are fast and all.....but if I could ever put as much money into my GST as the Viper costs stock....I'd beat it down like Tampa beat Oakland. And anyway, am I thie only one who thinks the Viper looks like a clown shoe? :laugh:

 

[TaloNKiD505]

I give metabollic props c'mon now i would never spend 70g's on a sports car that runs mid 12's those kinda cars are for ppl that cant tune their car and buy the fastest coolest thing dey see i jus love to see der faceafter getting beat buy a car that cost 10g;s.

 

[Auladan]

ok. I'm sorry, I will have to disagree about the reliability comment of the DSMs when it comes to draggin multiple runs. The V8 will outlast the DSM BY FAR. V8s are designed for much more stress and can take more then a DSM can. They just plain last longer on the track. If you were saying that it can more reliable hit the 12's or 11;s or whatever, perhaps, but that becomes an issue of driver. If you mean it hooks better....youve gotta be kidding me. A GSX or TSI sure, but def not the front wheel drive cars. Why do you think drag cars, indy cars, and some others are all back wheel drive? becaues it GRABS BETTER for speed. Why is the S2000, the corvette, camaro, viper all back wheel drive? you know there is a reason for that

The reason there are V8s is for durability, and torque. What, your telling me that a V8 in a truck is useless because its only for the impotent middle aged men? no I don't think so. I highly doubt that even a highly modified, insanely turbod truck could EVER pull as much as a V8 or V6 ever could. This is the reason. More can be done with them, on engine alone, and they are durable as hell.

As said before, you love DSM's and thats great. But you can't discredit something just because you don't like it. BTW the "there is a replacement for displacement, its called technology" or whatever was said. Really? thats funny. All the computers in the world, timing control (AKA VTEC and others), and other technologies give power to a point. Then it becomes mechanical again. Why is pushrod still here on V8s? Cause it works, and it works well. If its not broke, don't fix it. Why re invent the wheel? Besides guess where your coveted turbo's originally came from? Diesel trucks with huge engines. V8s V12;s and so forth, and it was an american company that first did it.

So don't go discrediting the "old impotent male" piece of equipment.

 

[RipperXX]

Originally posted by Auladan
well on that note I'd find myself an F-body car. camaro or firebird, spend about....ooooh 4K or so on it and have it in the low 10s.

Love them domestics. Give props to the skylines though. GO V6

I hear yea there.. 1969 SS Camaro or a 1986 thoughs are my two picks in F-body's i personaly dont realy like skylines...

But what i would take over any car is a GTO like in triple X (i forget the year i dont think theys started makeing them in the late 50's so it must have been late 60's thats when the fastest domestics were built anyway so makes since)

 

[Auladan]

Camaro 69 SS would be my choice as well. Beutiful and powerful. Most powerful of the stock F-bodies anyways. Even the newer ones though, you can throw a few grand into and get into 11s and 10s on engine internals alone. GTO is THE car. Pontiac had soemthing going with hat thing. It's too bad that the newer one is kind of underpowered and under styled.

reason why I give props to the skyl.ine (actually NIssan in general) is because they use V6s in alot of their cars, rather then 4 cylinders. You can do more with em.

take it easy.

 

[chrisAWD]

Auladan is a freaking idiot. we all see people like him around and they have no reason being here. He is one of those people that will argue anything just for the point of it. watch in two days he'll be arguing 4 cylinders rule.

btw, skylines don't have a v6 they are inline 6's jackass.

AND, stop arguing for torque. peak torque doesn't win races. torque over time does(hp). there is a giant water mill by my house that makes over 3000 ft lbs of torque, but its so freaking slow that it equates to like 10 hp.

also, your assumptions that any mod done to a 4banger dsm can just as easily be done to a v8or v10. well, why don't you go research what it costs to turbocharge a viper. go to www.hennessey.com. cost effectiveness is what dsm's are about.

and I am in no way some domestic hating jackass. I just hate people like you. My dad and I are presently building an injected/871 blown 392 hemi for a 41 willy's. I love all things automotive and can appreciate all of there benifits.

 

[Auladan]

yah the inline 6 thing I forgot about after I posted...remember earlier today. whoops No im not arguing for no point. I am arguing saying that the larger engines have their good points too and that can do alot and just as much as any other car.

For a Viper? Sure it may be expensive to Turbo just because it would need a huge turbo, but it can be done. 8 cylinders though you can buy turbos for just as cheap as you can for the DSM's. That is all.

That blown Hemi sounds pretty bad ass.

Thanks for calling me a freakin. I haven't called anyone here namess because I want to be adult about things. apparenlty you ca'nt be. You haven't given me any reason to call you a freakin idiot, BUT I do not appreciate that. Everything I have stated is fact (aside from the mistake saying V6 instead of inline 6)

I just get sick of the haters of the domestics out there Its rediculous. So back at you on that one.

I WILL give that DSM's are the best cars to fix up (in my opinion) for the import market, but they arn't the cheapest to fix up either. I like the V8s as well, think they are great, and YES they will respond to every mod you can do to a 4 cylinder. There are kits out there for turbo/superchargers for V8s that are jut as cheap so don't tell me they arn't.

BTW where the hell did I say that torque was the only thing? as in high torque? I know that it is torque over time that wins races, broadest torque curves possible. I never ONCE said that torque just the highest it goes wins stuff. Read posts a little bit better eh?

 

[3clipseGst]

damn u people put up some long ass posts ...metabolic i give u much props..i bet he regret laughin at u at first ..i used to live in arizona myself..saw a few vipers but i had a b18 civic so didnt bother to race em ..now i have a GST! stock but workin on it..i jus wanna know at wat rpm does ur 20g reach full boost at? cuz im lookin to upgrade turbo in a few months myself thx

 

[RipperXX]

Well i have heard alot of mechanics (older ones like my dad) say SOME V6's like if im not mistaken my old man said in one of the Grand Nationals out ran a 426 Hemi Cuda... the GN was turbo charged pushing the stock psi as well.. it was a contest on all the bigest badest muscle cars in some mag he was reading and neither of us could belive the Grand National won.. i mean come on a V6 over a 426 Hemi ??? do i even have to say WTF???


Also BTW i know saying this is pointless but there is a order only Viper.. im sure some of you have heard of... the Viper Venum 800 800lb of torq with 800hp STOCK!

but then it's price tag when it came out was something like $182,000...

Also i have seen a few 502's makeing as much as a little over 1800hp... i would kill to see one of our cars beat either.... well not the viper cause there are 900+ HP DSM's... but if i saw a DSM beat something like a 1955 Bel Air that had a 1800hp 502 in it... i would probly pass out....