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Final time on the 14b

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Caithness

15+ Year Contributor
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Nov 2, 2003
Tampa, Florida
The short version- I went back to the track after having made some changes and ran a new best of 12.180 @ 111.45 on the 14b with a 1.718 60'. 110 Sunoco, 25psi (I assume, I just pulled the WG line and was too busy to check boost during runs). 26 degrees timing peak.

Long version-
The last time out I hadn't even finished bumping up timing and boost before the track closed due to yet another breakage. I knew she had more in her just in boost alone (~21-22 psi max last time out). I decided to come back on the first Thursday test and tune after two weeks of big events, which was this Thursday. This turned out to be a huge mistake as there were 200+ cars there. Last time there were only 90 because it rained in Tampa causing most Tampons to stay home, but of course as it said in my last thread about 10 of those 90 cars broke on the track causing huge delays.

After working on the car all night, getting two hours of sleep, going to school, and then then getting ready to go to the track nice and early, I got there late because the alignment shop held the car longer than expected. I did my track prep quickly and got in line around 7:30. My car did not move again until 9:15. When I finally got my first run around 9:30, the nice, relatively warm and dry night had turned cold and damp and the track was already a bit slick. I went out and did a sort of a pre-launch to try to warm up my frozen tires. I got to the line and slipped the clutch out off the 5000 rpm stutter only to spin the fronts to a 1.9 sixty foot time. Result: 12.388 at 111- .006 slower than my previous best on less boost and timing. Annoying. At least I put a 1+ second whooping on the yellow Mustang in the other lane.

I got back in line and at this point the track was so slick they stopped the slick tires cars from running- street tires only. I got up to the burnout box and did a full launch through the staging lights. I was thinking that I could get the moisture off my tires and warm them up, and maybe clear some moisture in the groove all adding up to a better launch. My theory was proven incorrect. After backing up to stage and suffering the embarrassment of staging with my back tires (remember, 2 hours sleep- I swore I flashed the lights twice but my eyes deceived me :toobad: ), I slipped the clutch slower than the first time and yet I spun all four, banging off the rev limiter, resulting in an abysmal 2.067 sixty and a 12.5 @ 111.99. Bad, but good enough to beat whatever it was I lined up against (I don't pay much attention to the actual racing aspect of the drag strip, as you may have noticed).

At this point my friends were all leaving, there were maybe 30-40 cars left, and the track was covered in a fog bank so thick you couldn't see the end of it. The night was done. I decided to stick around and at least get some fun out of the night hot-lapping until they closed. At this point it was so moist that I had to run the wipers every 30 seconds and wipe the inside of the windshield with a cloth just to see out.

I lined up with a silver SRT-4 with a black hood and trunk that had been running low 12's at 113 on slicks earlier; I thought it would be a good race but apparently that translates to about mid 13's on street tires by the margin of victory on my timeslip. I was going to try a part-throttle stutterbox launch, a technique that worked well for me in the past on my old bald tires on the street. I got distracted when I was stopped right before entering the burnout box for no helmet, got out to grab my helmet from the back, and then got another warning not to wear flip-flops to the track. By the time I finally got back in the car and up to the line I had forgotten about my part-throttle strategy (again, 2 hours sleep's worth of attention span). I didn't do the pre-launch because my clutch was getting a bit soft and it only seemed to be hurting me anyway. Right as I slipped out the clutch I remembered the part-throttle deal, and I instinctively let off the gas as the clutch engaged. Whatever I did, it worked, and even on that super-slick fog bank of a track I shot off the line with a 1.718 sixty. I knew the launch was good so I did a max effort no-lift shift into second and followed it up with some of my quickest shifting ever going down the track. I navigated to the timeslip shed by sense of smell and after blowing some fog out of the way I found I'd run my fastest time and best launch in the worst conditions. The track capitalized on the heavy fog as an excuse to shut down early and deny me another two or three runs in the remaining 30 minutes.

Anywho, this is the best I'll run on the 14b. I know it could run an 11.99 given better conditions, a 1.6 60', fixing a medium-size boost leak at the throttle body elbow that I didn't have time to fix- hell, I could temporarily pull 100+ pounds from the car in two hours' time and get it done. But to be honest, these last two trips to the track have been no fun at all and at this point I'm pretty fed up with drag racing. When I rolled up to the timeslip shed and got my new best timeslips, it was more a feeling of relief that at least something good had come out of the night than a sense of accomplishment and excitement. Driving an hour through heavy rush-hour traffic to wait two hours before I could get even one run in, spending 30 bucks in travel gas, 20 bucks getting in, and then 40 bucks on race gas, all for a total of 37 seconds on the track, not worth it. I'll go back to the strip sometime this fall, at a private track rental run by a local club and capped at 100 cars, and go run some mid 11's on an Evo 16g, cams, and meth injection. Until then I'm going to focus on autocrossing, which from my limited experience should be a ton of fun and something new after 4 years of focusing on straight-line speed.
 
The short version- I went back to the track after having made some changes and ran a new best of 12.180 @ 111.45 on the 14b with a 1.718 60'. 110 Sunoco, 25psi (I assume, I just pulled the WG line and was too busy to check boost during runs). 26 degrees timing peak.




Long version-
The last time out I hadn't even finished bumping up timing and boost before the track closed due to yet another breakage. I knew she had more in her just in boost alone (~21-22 psi max last time out). I decided to come back on the first Thursday test and tune after two weeks of big events, which was this Thursday. This turned out to be a huge mistake as there were 200+ cars there. Last time there were only 90 because it rained in Tampa causing most Tampons to stay home, but of course as it said in my last thread about 10 of those 90 cars broke on the track causing huge delays.

After working on the car all night, getting two hours of sleep, going to school, and then then getting ready to go to the track nice and early, I got there late because the alignment shop held the car longer than expected. I did my track prep quickly and got in line around 7:30. My car did not move again until 9:15. When I finally got my first run around 9:30, the nice, relatively warm and dry night had turned cold and damp and the track was already a bit slick. I went out and did a sort of a pre-launch to try to warm up my frozen tires. I got to the line and slipped the clutch out off the 5000 rpm stutter only to spin the fronts to a 1.9 sixty foot time. Result: 12.388 at 111- .006 slower than my previous best on less boost and timing. Annoying. At least I put a 1+ second whooping on the yellow Mustang in the other lane.

I got back in line and at this point the track was so slick they stopped the slick tires cars from running- street tires only. I got up to the burnout box and did a full launch through the staging lights. I was thinking that I could get the moisture off my tires and warm them up, and maybe clear some moisture in the groove all adding up to a better launch. My theory was proven incorrect. After backing up to stage and suffering the embarrassment of staging with my back tires (remember, 2 hours sleep- I swore I flashed the lights twice but my eyes deceived me :toobad: ), I slipped the clutch slower than the first time and yet I spun all four, banging off the rev limiter, resulting in an abysmal 2.067 sixty and a 12.5 @ 111.99. Bad, but good enough to beat whatever it was I lined up against (I don't pay much attention to the actual racing aspect of the drag strip, as you may have noticed).

At this point my friends were all leaving, there were maybe 30-40 cars left, and the track was covered in a fog bank so thick you couldn't see the end of it. The night was done. I decided to stick around and at least get some fun out of the night hot-lapping until they closed. At this point it was so moist that I had to run the wipers every 30 seconds and wipe the inside of the windshield with a cloth just to see out.

I lined up with a silver SRT-4 with a black hood and trunk that had been running low 12's at 113 on slicks earlier; I thought it would be a good race but apparently that translates to about mid 13's on street tires by the margin of victory on my timeslip. I was going to try a part-throttle stutterbox launch, a technique that worked well for me in the past on my old bald tires on the street. I got distracted when I was stopped right before entering the burnout box for no helmet, got out to grab my helmet from the back, and then got another warning not to wear flip-flops to the track. By the time I finally got back in the car and up to the line I had forgotten about my part-throttle strategy (again, 2 hours sleep's worth of attention span). I didn't do the pre-launch because my clutch was getting a bit soft and it only seemed to be hurting me anyway. Right as I slipped out the clutch I remembered the part-throttle deal, and I instinctively let off the gas as the clutch engaged. Whatever I did, it worked, and even on that super-slick fog bank of a track I shot off the line with a 1.718 sixty. I knew the launch was good so I did a max effort no-lift shift into second and followed it up with some of my quickest shifting ever going down the track. I navigated to the timeslip shed by sense of smell and after blowing some fog out of the way I found I'd run my fastest time and best launch in the worst conditions. The track capitalized on the heavy fog as an excuse to shut down early and deny me another two or three runs in the remaining 30 minutes.

Anywho, this is the best I'll run on the 14b. I know it could run an 11.99 given better conditions, a 1.6 60', fixing a medium-size boost leak at the throttle body elbow that I didn't have time to fix- hell, I could temporarily pull 100+ pounds from the car in two hours' time and get it done. But to be honest, these last two trips to the track have been no fun at all and at this point I'm pretty fed up with drag racing. When I rolled up to the timeslip shed and got my new best timeslips, it was more a feeling of relief that at least something good had come out of the night than a sense of accomplishment and excitement. Driving an hour through heavy rush-hour traffic to wait two hours before I could get even one run in, spending 30 bucks in travel gas, 20 bucks getting in, and then 40 bucks on race gas, all for a total of 37 seconds on the track, not worth it. I'll go back to the strip sometime this fall, at a private track rental run by a local club and capped at 100 cars, and go run some mid 11's on an Evo 16g, cams, and meth injection. Until then I'm going to focus on autocrossing, which from my limited experience should be a ton of fun and something new after 4 years of focusing on straight-line speed.


Nice!!! 12.1 is almost on my ass and I'm sure my car is much lighter, you drove well and that's the great part. No lift to shift 1-2.......I have not tried that yet as I too always was driving 100 miles to and from the track. I understand you wanting to stop the drag racing, I have been off the track for 2.5 years. And, it's true, my buddy always talks about me spending time making the car quicker, BUT, spending less time on the track, it is somewhat humerous. And as much as I am looking forward to getting back to road racing as well, there is just something about the drags that I love. I'm sure it has alot to do with destroying many Vettes, Vipers, Mustangs, Camaros and such over the years. Generally, I do only go to the drag day rentals, it makes more sense. The street nights get packed and then clean up can wipe out a night. I guess that's another reason why I will start to trailer the car to the track instead....not having to worry about getting home is a relief and will let me be a little more aggressive with my driving.

Anyway, that was a killer last effort........sure it's your last?:thumb:

Phil1320

ps----what was your 1/8 time and speed?
 
I can't wait until I move down to Tampa so I can go to the track year round.
 
If they're playing by the rules, you can find anybody's full best timeslip linked in their vehicle profile. Here is my timeslip scan. The 1/8th is a 7.791 at 88.65.

There's a chance I might make another attempt a year or two down the road when my car is more heavily modded. Part of my trade for the Evo 16g I'm installing is my 14b, but I'm trading to a good friend who is going to use it as a backup, so there's a chance he'd let me borrow it at some point. For right now I'm satisifed with my time and I'm not going to let the allure of the 11.99 persuade me to continue chasing it after the general lack of fun the last two times out. I re-examined my priorities with my car and now having fun with it is #1. Right now I think the most fun I can have with it is focusing on autocross, which I've wanted to do for almost as long as I've had the car.
 
I'm going to go weigh the car on a truck stop scale soon. That 2800 figure is my best guess, but it might be lower. I've added weight, took out weight, over and over again since I stopped weighing everything I added and removed to/from the car and subtracting from 3104 (official stock Laser AWD weight from a few sources). It's still a full interior minus rear seat (put carpet in to fill the gap), the little panel under the steering wheel which totally delaminated, and the two b-pillar panels I had to temporarily remove to put my manual seatbelts in. Those are going back in this week. But I have a bunch of other stuff out like AC removed, I was on a drag seat and no passenger seat while at the strip, no front bumper from FMIC, no sound deadening under carpet, etc.
 
Jordan---that's cool. 7.79 is a great 1/8 mile, for comparison's sake my best is 7.67 to 12.02 and 7.68 to my best run of 12.00, so you're right there. My average 60' is 1.71, just like yours with a best ever of 1.65. My 1-2 comes before the 60' mark so my short times aren't SUPER, I suppose if I ran out 1st gear, they may be high 1.5's or low 1.6's but I feel my overall ET will suffer.

On another note. My Aunt & Uncle live in Daytona Beach Shores, I was just down for the Rolex 24........my girl's Aunt & Uncle live in St. Pete, we were down last year for Sebring, and on the way to the track I saw the Bradenton Dragstrip, that's where you go , right?

Anyway, when we were in Daytona we started looking for houses.......:thumb:

I want to move down there in the semi-near future. Obviously things have to be sorted, that's a big move for us, but, maybe we'll all be able to meet up sometime......:talon:


Phil1320
 
Yeah, Bradenton Motorsports Park is the closest and best drag strip in the area. It's a pretty good track from what others have said; I've never run anywhere else to have a point of reference.

It's nice being able to run all year here, but it's sort of the reverse of up North because summer is usually way too hot and humid to put down good times, so the real track season is Fall and Winter.

First is the only gear I run out past 6000. I shift from first at around 7000, probably a little bit less. I shift the rest of the gears at 6000-6200. I'd never thought about it but I might be shifting before the 60' mark. That might help explain why I've never dipped into the 1.6's.
 
Yeah, that's probably it. I generally shift at 6400rpm 2-3 & 3-4. Shifting out of first happens as soon as the throttle hits the floor on the launch. I am into 3rd gear at about 66mph in less than 4 seconds having watched video of my launches.

Well, we'll see, maybe I'll run Bradenton someday........

I'd love to be able to run yearround.


Phil1320
 
Same here, I shift second basically the instant the clutch is fully out. From my logs I think I'm in first for a second? Maybe a second and a half? Hard to tell because of the stutter.

Update- disregard the thread title. I was fed up with drag racing for about 2 days before I got the bug again and now I'm going back to the track to try for that 11.9 AGAIN. It might make it as it is now with better conditions, but once I set a goal I prefer to overkill rather than banging up against a wall until I just barely make it over. I added up a list of 162 pounds of stuff that's easy to uninstall/reinstall and isn't needed to drive to and down the drag strip. I'm fixing the boost leak. I'm strongly considering switching to the 7cm^2 turbine housing currently sitting unused on a shelf on my Evo 16g. I'm going to bump up the timing even more at the track, lower my tire pressure even more, and maybe raise the 2-step if I can get it to hook.

I'm just waiting for the local racing site to announce their next track rental since I'm tired of waiting 2 hours for one run and they cap their entries at 100 cars. Should be about a month, month and a half from now. If I don't hit an 11.9 in 7-8 runs with all of the above I'll consider myself a complete failure as a tuner. :)
 
Same here, I shift second basically the instant the clutch is fully out. From my logs I think I'm in first for a second? Maybe a second and a half? Hard to tell because of the stutter.

Update- disregard the thread title. I was fed up with drag racing for about 2 days before I got the bug again and now I'm going back to the track to try for that 11.9 AGAIN. It might make it as it is now with better conditions, but once I set a goal I prefer to overkill rather than banging up against a wall until I just barely make it over. I added up a list of 162 pounds of stuff that's easy to uninstall/reinstall and isn't needed to drive to and down the drag strip. I'm fixing the boost leak. I'm strongly considering switching to the 7cm^2 turbine housing currently sitting unused on a shelf on my Evo 16g. I'm going to bump up the timing even more at the track, lower my tire pressure even more, and maybe raise the 2-step if I can get it to hook.

I'm just waiting for the local racing site to announce their next track rental since I'm tired of waiting 2 hours for one run and they cap their entries at 100 cars. Should be about a month, month and a half from now. If I don't hit an 11.9 in 7-8 runs with all of the above I'll consider myself a complete failure as a tuner. :)

Good man. Go for it! I think you'll do it at a rental for sure. It's much easier to get in the groove without waiting forever to make your next pass.

By the way, what are you using to tune? And, do you have stock compression? or 2G pistons etc., and balance shafts removed? Just wondering because you have some good speed being heavier than my set-up.

Good luck!

Phil1320
 
My full mod list is in my profile. I tune by burning chips and editing the stock code. It's basically all the functionality of DSMlink plus a little bit. For example, I have a siren hooked up to the purge output that is triggered when knock goes above 10- a knock alarm. You can do all sorts of nifty little things like that with it.

The engine is stock 1g with balance shafts removed, a mild port job on the intake valve bowls only (I was impatient to get the head on and the exhaust ports were so sooted I would've had to scrub them to port). ARP studs, new big-hole lifters (old ones were trashed). I bought the block from for 100 bucks from a guy who thought it was trashed for some reason but I slapped it together with my old stock head and new gaskets and it has almost perfect compression. A bit of blow-by and oil consumption but nothing major, especially for what's probably a 150,000+ mile shortblock from the look of the car it came out of.
 
My full mod list is in my profile. I tune by burning chips and editing the stock code. It's basically all the functionality of DSMlink plus a little bit. For example, I have a siren hooked up to the purge output that is triggered when knock goes above 10- a knock alarm. You can do all sorts of nifty little things like that with it.

The engine is stock 1g with balance shafts removed, a mild port job on the intake valve bowls only (I was impatient to get the head on and the exhaust ports were so sooted I would've had to scrub them to port). ARP studs, new big-hole lifters (old ones were trashed). I bought the block from for 100 bucks from a guy who thought it was trashed for some reason but I slapped it together with my old stock head and new gaskets and it has almost perfect compression. A bit of blow-by and oil consumption but nothing major, especially for what's probably a 150,000+ mile shortblock from the look of the car it came out of.

I wish I didn't have the balance shafts in there....oh well. They weigh like 7.5lbs apiece not to mention drag. All I have to tune with now is the AFC. Pretty basic. DSMlink would be cool, but, at that point I might just use the AEM. Who knows.


Phil1320
 
Nope. Just the lame AFC. Like I keep telling some people, wait until I actually MODIFY the car a little....then it will rip:D

Right now is just the first round of mods.......well, that would be the last 11 years:thumb:


Phil1320
 
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