check out my spark plugs

[Black95TSIawd]

my old ones were denso iridiums and they started to go so i had the shop order me some NGK's one range colder. I work for the same company as my dad so i left my car back in the garage and he said he'd put them in for me. so far so good. The car was running better. So i went out last night with the car to a street racing scene. I didnt plan on racing just watch. There was a Dodge viper hennesey there, lambo diable, a porsche, lots of wrx's and evo's, and the typical honduh's. Now its 3 am and after being and i decided to go home. Me and a buddy went down together and you can imagine on an open highway at 3 in the morning so we decide to race. First pass i go up to 100 and then shut down obviously i was winning. Second time i pick it up to 100 pass him and keep it there. I seem him comming up in my rearview so i hit it. At about 110, my friend told me i had flames out of my exhaust. So i pull over and the car and the car is studdering pretty bad. Luckily i was near my house so i make it home. The next morning i found my upper intercooler pipe slightly blew off so i had a boost leak there but i also pulled my spark plugs. Number 2 cylinder plug has completely melted. see pic 2. My dad ordered the wrong plugs. They were NGK BKR5ES. ok so i pick up the right plugs myself and install them. Now the car is still not running right. If i pull the plug from number 2 cylinder the car still runs the same crappy way. I dont kno what to do.

 

[Black95TSIawd]

this is the melted plug

 

[clownface]

did you set the gap right? what kind of plugs are you using now? how much boost are you running?

 

[Black95TSIawd]

the plug that melted was gapped at .28 and i was running 15psi. all of the plugs were gapped right. I found out the problem though. The shop gave us a hotter plug instead of a colder when. It was hotter then the stock range. I need to do a compression test and a leakdown test tomorrow to see how much of it is fried.

 

[Groomz]

I have no idea what the NGK BKR5ES spark plug is. Is that the Iridium ones? The factory NGK plugs are BPR6ES plugs, so I am to assume that you were actually running one range hotter than the factory plugs. If you are running more than stock boost, get some BPR7ES plugs. Hotter plugs might sound cool, but stuff like this will happen. Just looking out for ya, kiddo.

 

[Black95TSIawd]

obviously you didnt read when i posted that "the shop sold my dad the WRONG PLUG" its a bkr"5" that means its a hotter plug. The idiot at the counter at NAPA must have thought the lower the number the colder the plug. what i cant figure out yet why would he also give the wrong number plug and the wrong type. our cars use ngk bpr6es as the stock plug. Now my car barely starts and there is a chance of a lot of trouble: holed piston, melted valves, fried piston rings. I'm gonna head to napa tomorrow and at least get the idiot fired.

 

[clownface]

they never can give me the right part on the first time either, not napa, autozone, or advance

 

[Groomz]

Originally posted by Black95TSIawd
obviously you didnt read when i posted that "the shop sold my dad the WRONG PLUG" its a bkr"5" that means its a hotter plug. The idiot at the counter at NAPA must have thought the lower the number the colder the plug. what i cant figure out yet why would he also give the wrong number plug and the wrong type. our cars use ngk bpr6es as the stock plug. Now my car barely starts and there is a chance of a lot of trouble: holed piston, melted valves, fried piston rings. I'm gonna head to napa tomorrow and at least get the idiot fired.

You didn't sound like the type to buy the wrong ones. You even found a boost leak before coming onto this forum and asking people whats wrong! I would go to NAPA and put the plugs on the counter and say ! I never let any counter parts guy decide what I need. Do the research in advance, that way he can't try to sell you something different. I had the same thing happen. The guy brought me N/A NGK plugs ( which would've been a disaster, I was running 20psi on a 16G ), but I was like what are you trying to do to me man? I gave him the correct part number for his store and he got it wrong!

Good luck, stay safe!

 

[Black95TSIawd]

i did the research. I kno what plugs are good for our cars. All my dad had to say was the stock ngk plugs for a talon tsi one range colder. I still cant get how an idiot that doesnt kno crap can work at parts store. I seriously learned a lesson and that is not to trust anyone with my car unless i can see them working on it with my own eyes. After work, i'ma head to napa. They better help with fixing my car. The car is ####ed right now and it wont be easy to fix.

 

[Mike 99GSX]

Originally posted by Black95TSIawd
i did the research. I kno what plugs are good for our cars. All my dad had to say was the stock ngk plugs for a talon tsi one range colder. I still cant get how an idiot that doesnt kno crap can work at parts store. I seriously learned a lesson and that is not to trust anyone with my car unless i can see them working on it with my own eyes. After work, i'ma head to napa. They better help with fixing my car. The car is ####ed right now and it wont be easy to fix.

I think that with most domestic brand spark plugs (Champion, Delco ETC) The heat range gets colder as the number is lower which is opposite of how NGK labels their plugs. So he probably just made an honest mistake. If we want to get really technical, BPR6ES are not the factory plug. Its a dual prong plug (BPR 6EKN, I think

 

[Happy]

thoes are nasty

 

[Black95TSIawd]

i went to napa today and i spoke to the manager and he remembered the order. Then i show him the ####ed up spark plug and i explain to him that one of his employees gave us the wrong plug. We argued a lil and i left home and he said i was wrong and a hot plug wont do that. I called up NGK and i told them the story and they said the hotter plug will mess things up. So i called up napa and spoke to the manager and told him what they said to me. After proving him wrong, he called his boss up and then told me they'll give me a call tomorrow so someone can check out my car. So tomorrow we shall see whats up. The car runs like shit and no compression in the number 2 cylinder. I can smell the fuel while the car barely idles. Hopefully they pay for it all to be fixed.

 

[Bd1000Eclipse]

Originally posted by Black95TSIawd
i went to napa today and i spoke to the manager and he remembered the order. Then i show him the ####ed up spark plug and i explain to him that one of his employees gave us the wrong plug. We argued a lil and i left home and he said i was wrong and a hot plug wont do that. I called up NGK and i told them the story and they said the hotter plug will mess things up. So i called up napa and spoke to the manager and told him what they said to me. After proving him wrong, he called his boss up and then told me they'll give me a call tomorrow so someone can check out my car. So tomorrow we shall see whats up. The car runs like shit and no compression in the number 2 cylinder. I can smell the fuel while the car barely idles. Hopefully they pay for it all to be fixed.

Sorry to hear that, but i have doubts on them fixing it. I understand where you are coming from, but thats also another reason why you always check the plugs before you put them in. I mean it is their fault, but it's also your fault in a way too. I doubt they will pay for it because they will argue that you did something else wrong. Either way, bad luck. I've melted two plugs and got away with the engine being ok, but ya never know.

 

[nc_99_99]

The car runs like shit and no compression in the number 2 cylinder.

This happend to a guy I know. He burned up an exhaust valve on #2.

 

[Black95TSIawd]

my car is at their shop right now. They are going to take a look at it for me and find out exactly whats wrong. At least i wont have to pay for them doing that. I can only hope its just a melted exhaust valve and not a holed piston.

 

[98RedGs]

Originally posted by Black95TSIawd
my car is at their shop right now. They are going to take a look at it for me and find out exactly whats wrong. At least i wont have to pay for them doing that. I can only hope its just a melted exhaust valve and not a holed piston.

If its at Their Shop I would be down there watching to find out whats wrong with it also.

Goodluck and hope for the best.

 

[hostile]

You are going to have to pull the head.

I am pretty sure there is either a hole in your piston, or one of the valves is messed up.

This happened to a buddy of mine, he was missing part of his piston.

Maybe you will get a new engine out of the deal, I would get a lawyer involved.

I know when big companys mess up they almost always pay for it.

Like walmart employees forgeting to put oil in after an oil change. Walmart must have bought 1000 engines this year.

 

[Black95TSIawd]

Originally posted by 98RedGs
If its at Their Shop I would be down there watching to find out whats wrong with it also.

Goodluck and hope for the best.

unfortunately, i work for a dairy plant and its hard for me to take time off during this time of the year. Plus my manager is on vacation because she is a bi*** and so i have to be here.

 

[98RedGs]

Originally posted by Black95TSIawd
unfortunately, i work for a dairy plant and its hard for me to take time off during this time of the year. Plus my manager is on vacation because she is a bi*** and so i have to be here.

Keep us updated!

 

[Black95TSIawd]

i just got back from the shop. They said i'm low on coolant and i have no compression in one cylinder. duhhhhhhhhhhhhh. They want me to pull the head and then tell them whats wrong so we can work something out. I'm getting seriously pissed. Why should i pull the head? My dad is a mechanic and he said we'll do the work. So, if its just a head gasket or melted valve then i dont mind doing the work but, if its a more serious matter like my head has shit the brick or a hole in the piston then i think i will press charges unless they completely fix it.

 

[RipperXX]

Originally posted by Black95TSIawd
i went to napa today and i spoke to the manager and he remembered the order. Then i show him the ####ed up spark plug and i explain to him that one of his employees gave us the wrong plug. We argued a lil and i left home and he said i was wrong and a hot plug wont do that. I called up NGK and i told them the story and they said the hotter plug will mess things up. So i called up napa and spoke to the manager and told him what they said to me. After proving him wrong, he called his boss up and then told me they'll give me a call tomorrow so someone can check out my car. So tomorrow we shall see whats up. The car runs like shit and no compression in the number 2 cylinder. I can smell the fuel while the car barely idles. Hopefully they pay for it all to be fixed.

Without reading any further I can tell you, you have either a blown piston or damaged valve. If the car is not smokeing, and you notice your vac/boost guage needel jumping you have a damaged intake valve, if it's none of the above probly damaged exhaust valve.

Either way you had to have had an ungodly amount of knock, your lucky it's not any worse than it is.

This is EXACTLY why I and I alone work on my car. Because if I order BPR7ES plugs and what I get at the counter dont say BPR7ES I raise hell. I also dislike it when I get a mix of the older NGK's and the new ones.

As you have learned the hard way, do the work yourself and you know it's done right. And if something was done wrong you have only your self to blame.




*Edit* Also check your oil. I would think your cyl wall is geting so soaked with fuel in that cyl that it is washing alot of the oil away and mixing with your oil. This is not good, as it incress's ware on all lubed internal parts.

 

[Black95TSIawd]

i'm going to have to pull the head on new years day cuz i work every other day. I'll keep you guys posted. I might have a few questions.

 

[DSMJim]

After reading this post, I'll tell you from personal experience with customer's cars that your eather looking at a melted or chipped valve or a holed piston.

Either way, your not going to just pop one in there and be done with it. If you melted or chipped a valve then your going to have problems with the valve sealing afterwards because it will have melted part of the head too. Your tubo could also possibly have damage because of stuff flying out or the heat, check that as well.

If it's a holed piston then your bottom end is toast. You will also want to get a new head as the chances of crap being caught by the oil pump and pumped upto the head is pretty good. You also will want to check your turbo as it's oil fed too so the bearing are likely smoked in it as a result.

I hate to break it to you dude, but this isn't going to be a head gasket or a part you can simply easily replace and go. Your buying a new motor or doing serious work to yours. You simply over heated the cylinders and cause severe engine damage.

If it's anything else I will be VERY surprised. When it comes to motors it's ALWAYS the most expensive part that breaks.

 

[4pistons]

There's also a very good argument on their part that a melted spark plug couldn't overheat a cylinder. Once the plug stops firing the cylinder goes COOLER because there is no combustion, just nice cool air and fuel flowing in and out. That plug looks like a seriously lean cylinder creating alot of heat. THAT will melt pistons, valves, and SPARKPLUGS in a heartbeat.

It sounds like they are admitting partial fault and if you can get them to fork over some dough more power to you but consider that very lucky.

Rick - '91 GSX

 

[98RedGs]

Originally posted by DSMJim
If it's anything else I will be VERY surprised. When it comes to motors it's ALWAYS the most expensive part that breaks.

True... DSMJim, thats the smartest statement ever. Its something I've grown to cope with this fact also.

Example: My clutch went, everyone swore it was a TOB, turned out it was a broken shift rail in the tranny. Go figure eh?

Look at it this way bro, if its something that you have to replace the engine for. You could always get them to pay full price for a new engine from mitsu (3-5g's I'm sure!!!) then take that cash and go do a 6bolt swap.


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