Good front mount for T-25?

[kiakarimi]

I've heard that a front mount with the T-25 is not a good idea because the t25 can't flow enough and all the front mount will do is slightly increase lag and add no performance. My question is: Is there a small and innexpensive front mount intercooler without being overkill for the t25 that flows better than the stock side mount and adds to (even if only slightly), rather than detracts from performance? Or is it ALL front mounts that are no good with the t25?

 

[BOOSTED4LIFE90]

I have a starion FMIC and im very happy with it. Trust me it does not make my turbo lag and it flows way better than a SMIC and you can get your hands on one for very cheap.just make your own custom piping and you''ll be set.Im planning to run my 50trim on my starion,my starion FMIC was tested at 23psi with no leaks,my choice for a t-25 would defenetly be a starion FMIC but thats just my 2 cents!

 

[98TsiAWD]

Something small, maybe the griffen core from rre.

 

[dcskater82]

you dumbass, a starion frontmount is barely better then a stocker, but anyways...if your on a t25 and want an upgrade that badly, go with a stock TT supra sidemount...flows twice as much as stock one, its a sidemount, so its stealthy, and, its easy....nuff said

 

[98RedGs]

Originally posted by dcskater82
you dumbass, a starion frontmount is barely better then a stocker, but anyways...if your on a t25 and want an upgrade that badly, go with a stock TT supra sidemount...flows twice as much as stock one, its a sidemount, so its stealthy, and, its easy....nuff said

Is there seriously a need to call people names?

 

[FASTSPOOLINGST]

why do you want to even waste money on a intercooler for your t-25. There are far more necessary upgrades than that. The stocker is fine for the T-2small. Focus your energy (money) daniel son in those areas instead for better hp gains.

 

[kiakarimi]

Yeah i know it seems kinda stupid to spend time and money on something that will barely increase performance but i'm trying to think ahead, i'm mostly just speculating.

you see, i'm 18 years old with no job, so things like a bigger turbo (FP big28 if i had my choice) and a big expensive front mounts don't seem too realistic to me. But aside from monetary aspects, i'm building my car for autox and road race purposes ONLY. So i'm focusing on responsiveness and balance and a car that will be a solid performer with just the T25 running at its best.

I've heard the starion is a big pain in the ass and barely worth it, is that true?

 

[98RedGs]

Originally posted by kiakarimi
I've heard the starion is a big pain in the ass and barely worth it, is that true?

If you would have read everyones responses you would realize most of them have already said its a waste of a modification. You should/could seriously get your moneys worth out of anyother modification other than a front mount.

Intake?
Exhaust?
Test Pipe?
Ic Piping?
New Bov?

 

[UnderPrssureDSM]

Originally posted by FASTSPOOLINGST
why do you want to even waste money on a intercooler for your t-25. There are far more necessary upgrades than that. The stocker is fine for the T-2small. Focus your energy (money) daniel son in those areas instead for better hp gains.

If he finds a junker FMIC and knows someone who can weld, it's a good idea.

Besides, he'll be set up when he eventually upgrades to a T28.

 

[Airpoppoff]

Originally posted by 98RedGs
Is there seriously a need to call people names?

i think hes just establishing the real dumbass

 

[Velo7825]

if you really want to get into autocross like you said then you need to get the rule book and focus on what you can do inside your class. a front mount i belive will bump you up a class and have you running with guys who have a lot better cars.

 

[cait sith]

You want balanced performance?

Skip even touching the turbo setup then other than hardpipes. I suggest getting rid of WEIGHT.

The stock SMIC is more than enough for the T25. It's good enough to hit 12's.

Or do you just want a front mount to look cool?

 

[dcskater82]

haha im the dumbass, becuase i DIDNT waste my time, effort and funds on a starion intercooler which is HARDLY better then stock sidemount??

 

[doug]

If I may interject some actual info into the pissing contest, a buddy of mine has the big Greddy FMIC (with long route piping, no less) on his T-25 powered GS-T, and there's not much difference in lag between his car and mine. And besides his FMIC, our two mod lists are quite similar.

 

[jtmcinder]

I can heat-soak my stock SMIC with my t25 in less than 45 seconds, so the idea that there are no gains to be had in upgrading the IC on a t25-equipped car is simply wrong.

The thread-starter said that he might be autoXing. Well, in the Street-Prepared category you can run any IC you wish (plus water injection), but you cannot touch the turbo or the boost-control system. If you upgrade to a 3" exhaust (but do nothing to avoid boost creep), the stock boost-control system will now be giving you 16 psi, which the t25 does not enjoy making, which is why you heat soak the IC so quickly. A new IC would help a lot.

As soon as you touch the turbo or the boost-controller, you're in Street Modified. There you will be faced with blown M3s, S4s, EVOs, and STis. Not for the faint of heart.

With all that said, he also mentioned road racing. Our cars overheat. FMICs do not help. I'd suggest a Dejon SMIC.

- Jtoby

 

[Groomz]

My 2 cents. If the turbo is capable of feeding a 2 liter engine ( maybe not all the way to the redline ) it should be able to fill an intercooler on the way to the engine. The power gains would be big with a big turbo, but it adds alot of safety for the engine, and there are power gains even on the lowly T25.

www.dejontool.com

I've seen good things about DTs Race FMIC, and its always smarter to put the supporting mods on before the big turbo, so go FMIC, then go big turbo. You should be all set, and have fun!

 

[jb talons]

This is from Extreem Motorsports Website:

"Heat Soak
Heat soak occurs when the intercooler can't shed the heat that it removes from the compressed air of the turbo. On a hot day, the intercooler can, like a sponge, become "soaked" with heat and lose its effectiveness.

Heat soak is one of the major reasons that turbocharged cars tend to run slower when the weather is warm.

Common solutions to improve heat soak is the use of a higher-capacity intercooler, or one that's mounted more in-line with the air flow, as in front-mount intercoolers."

Heat soak has less to do with what turbo you have, and more to do with ambient temperature. A fmic has better heat transfer capacity than a stock side mount therefore less suseptable to heat soak. A fmic is also less restrictive than a stock smic therefore better flowing.

I feel that it's a good upgrade (not overkill) even with the T-25 - depending on what you want out of your car.

If you can justify a fmic over some other mods - go for it.

 

[RipperXX]

Try spending your time and money on mods like this.

Completely remove your AC: This will drop weight and incress flow to the radiator and help keep things cool under the hood as well as decress rotateing mass.

UICP: This will incress throttle responce and help in acceleration.

not sure if this will pass regulatoins, but port/gaskit match your exhaust, and intake.

Try to do everything you can to make the car faster without being bumped up to the next class. And once you get everything best you can then get a FMIC. You would notice more of an impact then anyway.


Just like you wouldn't put a 20G on a otherwise stock car, you dont put a FMIC on a otherwise stock car

 

[FASTSPOOLINGST]

ADFX racing (adfxracing.com) makes a nice sidemount for only 305 bones. I called the guy there and they have really excellent customer sevice too. He told me, I don't know if it's true or not, that the dejontool uses their cores on their SMIC. Check it out for yourself to be sure, but ADFX claims it outflows the Supra SMIC.

 

[kiakarimi]

Originally posted by 98RedGs
If you would have read everyones responses you would realize most of them have already said its a waste of a modification. You should/could seriously get your moneys worth out of anyother modification other than a front mount.

Intake?
Exhaust?
Test Pipe?
Ic Piping?
New Bov?

And if YOU had read my profile, you would realize that i have all the modifications you listed minace the IC piping, as well as the part where i said that this is strictly speculation. and by the way, there was only one response stating that the starion specifically was a waste of modification.

 

[TSi999]

Originally posted by FASTSPOOLINGST
ADFX racing (adfxracing.com) makes a nice sidemount for only 305 bones. I called the guy there and they have really excellent customer sevice too. He told me, I don't know if it's true or not, that the dejontool uses their cores on their SMIC. Check it out for yourself to be sure, but ADFX claims it outflows the Supra SMIC.

tHATS what im planning on getting, the 2nd gen is engineered for a nice sidemount with that cool air flow difuser that sends air right to the sidemount. I already bought the whole dejon tool hard set int piping theres no way im spending the $ for custom piping and the labor for a front mount. Having to take off teh bumper cover and cut it up?? No tanks

Even tho front mounts look AWESOME!

 

[Cirus_93TSI]

the way i look at it, you may as well get a pretty big FMIC that will do well with a larger turbo, the t25 doesnt really need am fmic, and contray to what people here have been saying, a big ass fmic will notmake any lag on the t25

my friend also has the greddy big FMIC on his t25 2g fwd, and the turbo still spoils just about instantly, and will reach 13 psi well before 3k rpm

your not going to see much(if any) difference in performance between a small fmic like the spearco and a big fmic like the big greddy on a t25. i say this from direct expirance, there was a small spearco on my friends 2g tsi fwd when he got it. we removed that and put a greddy big fmic on it when the headlight harness caught fire, and the difference is completly unnoticable. we also added an upgraded radiator to defend against presure drop from the stocker being completly blocked by the FMIC. he basicaly spent 2 grand just for a nicer looking front end, didnt do the slightest thing for his performance, and unless you actually got out and looked at the ic you wouldnt have known the spearco had been changed

whenever someone asks what turbo is on it, and we say a t25 they always ask "how is that big fmic working for you with that tiny turbo?". and the answer is "its working great".