want to build a bulletproof engine what internals ?

[Jason84]

well now ive got my 50 trim fmic and alot of stuff comming....

time to start looking around at internals...

my head is going to be ported w/ hks 272/272 cams 1mm oversize valves and probably just going to do a sheetmetal intake manifold.

my question is what pistons/rods are a good strong combo for just about any turbo i wana throw at it ?

and what else is good to change when rebuilding a motor? besides pistons rings rods gaskets (going all ARP studs to)

and whats a good head gasket ?

 

[allwheelTSI]

crower rods/ross or JE pistons will be a pretty unbeatable combo.
the stock mitsu composite gasket is good,so is the cometic.

 

[RaysTsi]

Ive heard bad things about JE, but it really comes down to how good is the shop that install the internals.

 

[swing lo]

If you really want to make your block "bullet proof" then you should try and find a machine shop that can send it off to get it cryo-dipped and then you can shoot it with a gun............FOR REAL. That will take care of your block.

 

[swing lo]

Just kidding about the gun but i really will be bullet proof

 

[Jason84]

yeah funny

fine bomb proof !!

 

[AdrenilineCrash]

yeah cryo treatment all the way!

-mike

 

[Jason84]

yeah ill even cryotreat my bolts !! heh

 

[swing lo]

yall might think i'm joking but i'm not and if your really serious you should do it.

 

[Lunch_Box]

As far as rods and pistons I think the best would have to be Pauter Rods and Ross racing pistons.

 

[dsmturboawd]

if you have a 6 bolt, youre fine with that 50 trim. only thing id do is a 1g rod/ 2g piston thing.

 

[RuBiCaNT5X]

I've never heard a bad thing about Eagle or Crower for rods, you might want to give them a look....

 

[tsiracer18]

I will be doing the Eagle rod/ Wiseco Piston combo when I build my 6-bolt swap. Eagle rods are a lot cheaper than Crower and just as good IMO

 

[1gE.T.]

1g rods 2g pistons, ARP EVERYTHING,new oil pump, and mitsu gasket. I only plan on going with a 20g at the biggest.

 

[sunflashx]

Originally posted by tsiracer18
I will be doing the Eagle rod/ Wiseco Piston combo when I build my 6-bolt swap. Eagle rods are a lot cheaper than Crower and just as good IMO

Eagle rods are lesser in quality than Crower. At $350 a set though, they should definately be good enough for most people.

 

[Groomz]

http://www.importperformanceparts.net/

I plan to run the Wiseco/Eagle combo.

www.percryo.com

I also plan to have the entire short block treated then ceramic coat the pistons and bearings.
www.swaintech.com

 

[Wobble]

avoid JE pistons, they REQUIRE you to let the car FULLY AND TOTALLY warm up before ANY driving, or you risk piston slap and a fuxored motor..

 

[stik6shift00]

Originally posted by Wobble
avoid JE pistons, they REQUIRE you to let the car FULLY AND TOTALLY warm up before ANY driving, or you risk piston slap and a fuxored motor..

i never knew that about JE...thanks for the info!...can anyone else back that up?

 

[Wobble]

Yea, my friend expalined it to me.. they ARE badass pistons.. but for some reason they way they are made they MUST be fully heated to operating temp or they can cause problems..

you can read more indepth about the at VFAQ under the "101 ways to kill a motor" section..

i for one see no probs with stock 2g pistons unless you are going like super shithappy crazy... rods are the only real weak point in the 4g63.. replace those and your good for over 400hp with probably near stock reliability assuming you take normal care and have proper tuning.

 

[Rick@AP]

Originally posted by sunflashx


Eagle rods are lesser in quality than Crower.

Really? Based on what?

 

[sunflashx]

Originally posted by Rick@AP


Really? Based on what?

Ask a machine shop that deals with them regularly about Eagle's quality control.

You get what you pay for. There's a reason Eagles are half the cost of "good" rods. It's not just because of the sizeable child labor force n China.

 

[swing lo]

Its all about the cryo treatment, talon:CRYO CRYO CRYO :

 

[Groomz]

Quality between Crower and Eagle rods would only come into play if you plan to push 600hp. If you plan to stay under that, then by all means go for the Eagle rods.

P.S. ( Diamond Star Motorsports runs Eagle rods on there 10 second AWD DSM. )

http://www.diamondstarmotorsport.com/talonmods.shtml

 

[VRMAN]

This is going to be my engine combo down the road:

Wiseco Pistons
Eagle rods
ARP main bolts and studs
HKS 264/264 cams
Crower springs and retainers
SS valves


That should be able to hold a PTE 50-Trim running over 20psi daily.

 

[hostile]

Eagle rod's are lighter, and they are still damn good for almost anybody on the board.

Eagle, Crower, and Pauter are really the main choices.

Pauter are probably know for being the strongest.