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Here is the info that I have compiled thus far concerning the swap of a 4G63, 2.0L Turbo motor from a Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T, GSX, Eagle Talon TSI FWD or AWD, and/or Plymouth Laser RS Turbo into a 4th Generation, 1993-1996, Mitsubishi Mirage, Eagle Summit, Dodge Colt. Thanks to Evil93Evo, aka Tom, for the majority of this info. It was collected from several different posts that he made, so it is just pieced together. This info is probably similar to what blytz has posted on
www.miragetuner.com/
With no further adieu, here is the file:
You need to modify the timing belt mount by cutting and moving the rubber section of a 89 turbo mount, this is easiest if you use a combination of a talon mount and the mirage turbo mount. You may need to slot the holes on the other transmission mounts slightly if your car has been in an accident before. You will need to use the ECU and wiring harness from the same year engine you have ready to install. Get a good wiring diagram for both cars before you begin, if the car has a factory tachometer it will not read correctly. You will need to use a flywheel from a 2.0 non turbo DSM fwd 89-94 make sure it has the correct number of bolt holes for your engine (ie 6 bolt or 7 bolt). Buy the ACT clutch kit, anything else will not hold up as they all use stock type pressure plates. ACT part #MB3-XTR6 holds 414ft lbs of torque. You will be able to use the factory transmission with the 4G63 as long as you aren’t doing serious drag racing with slicks even the 1.5 transmission will work, but if you can, use the 1.8 transmission and axles. You must use the starter and the plate that mounts behind the flywheel from the original mirage engine, it will bolt right onto the 4G63. The 4g63 may bring the need to bend one of the under-hood braces slightly to gain clearance for the timing belt cover; mine did only after a replacement hood, not a big deal! As far as time line goes if you have all the parts together it should take about 8 hrs total to do the swap, You will need to build all the intercooler piping and exhaust piping yourself or pay someone to do it for you. So allow some time for that. You will need to use a upgraded fuel pump for a second Gen eclipse, then slightly dent down the gas tank under the pump for added clearance, about 1.5hrs work. I do all my own work, so it cost me about 3000 dollars total for everything, but I did extra stuff most people don’t need. I had a modified ECU, AFC, big front mount intercooler, 16g, full 3" exhaust, 550cc injectors. So if you are just using a stock engine you can save big bucks. I was just wondering why you would be interested in using a 2g ECU and wiring with the swap? There are a lot of drawbacks to the 2G system if you are installing it in a 93-96 car, first off the fact that they are OBD2 and require all the sensors to go with it, some not available for on a 1g type engine, second the Cost of a 95+ ECU is higher and you lose the cheap ECU modifications and data-logging available for the 1g ECU. I have done the swap and the wiring is no harder than installing a stereo system if you have the wiring diagrams. Basic soldering skills are needed, and how to use a voltmeter. Basically you need a + power constant on for memory, + power on with ignition, chassis ground, clutch safety switch, vehicle speed sensor, check engine light, fuel pump wire, coolant temp sensor for gauge, oil pressure wire for light or gauge (not part of engine harness). All the other wiring for the engine is part of the engine harness. Get out your Voltmeter and start checking continuity and for power wires from the ECU harness then label everything showing where it goes, it’s a lot easier to fix problems now instead of when you are trying to start it for the first time. So only use a 2g ECU if you want to use a 2g motor, but then you might as well just keep the 1.5 at least they don’t have crank walk (hehe, I like that part-Chris). You will need to use a mirage transmission because the 1g fwd does not mount the engine like the mirage; the mirage mounts like a 2g eclipse with 3 transmission mounts and one motor mount. Most used 2g FWD turbo transmissions are about 1700-1900 bucks, but they maybe able to be modified to mount in the mirage. The non-turbo transmission for an eclipse is an F5M22 just like the 1.8 mirage but without the extra mounts. My Car ran 11.81 at 121.9 mph last year with a stock long block and a small 16g. I used a 1.8 liter transmission I bought from a junkyard. My Colt had a cable clutch from the factory, so I just switched it to hydraulic style by changing to a 1.8 manual pedal cluster, had to drill a couple holes in the firewall to mount the master cylinder but it was no big deal at all. I paid about 50 bucks for the pedal cluster, master cylinder and slave, and the lines to run to the transmission. So you really don’t need to worry about finding a 1.8 car if you are willing to switch it over. I have to agree with Bill (AWD92GSX) on the ECU differences, I would much rather use a 1g ECU and wiring with a 2g MAS. That should be good up to around 500 hp. But if you are trying to use a 2g motor use the 2g ECU. Here is some of the info you were looking for, the transmission that I originally used was a F5M21 (1.5L Tranny) and I just recently changed to a F5M22 (1.8L Tranny) and all the hydraulic system it uses. To tell you the truth the F5M21 held up to the power better than the F5M22 and if you are going to use the non turbo engine I wouldn't mess with switching them as of yet. I was able to run 12.5 sec at 114mph with the F5M21 transmission on slicks and launching at 5000rpm. You will need to switch the plate between the engine and transmission from the 1.5 to the 2.0, it mounts behind the flywheel, so you can use the 1.5 starter, which works fine even for the 2.0L no problem. You will also need to use the flywheel and clutch from the 2.0 non-turbo you have, the turbo upgrades won't fit in a F5M2X type transmission, try ACT for an upgrade they are the only ones that work for me. My car had no black box by the driver’s headlight from the factory, so it was not an issue. Besides none of the wiring came from that side except the oil pressure light wire.
This is all the info that I have. Enjoy reading it, I hope that it helps out some of you who are actually doing the swap.
Chris
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1994 Mitsubishi Mirage S Coupe
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1990 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
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Edited by: dude in a mirage at: 2/3/02 6:38:51 pm
evil93evo
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I think I must talk too much by the looks of that post!!!!
Tom
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Is this swap for the Turbo or Non-Turbo 4G63. What Tranny and flywheel would be used on the 4G63T??? The NA flywheel? or the Turbo flywheel, or are they the same? Please let me know.
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"Here is the info that I have compiled thus far concerning the swap of a 4G63, 2.0L Turbo motor from a Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T, GSX, Eagle Talon TSI FWD or AWD, and/or Plymouth Laser RS Turbo into a 4th Generation, 1993-1996, Mitsubishi Mirage, Eagle Summit, Dodge Colt."
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Yes, its the turbo motor.
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"You will need to use a flywheel from a 2.0 non turbo DSM fwd 89-94 make sure it has the correct number of bolt holes for your engine (ie 6 bolt or 7 bolt)."
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This is when using a 1.5L or 1.8L Mirage tranny. If you plan on trying to swap in the 4G63 tranny, then just use the turbo flywheel.
Did you read the first post?
Chris
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1994 Mitsubishi Mirage S Coupe
Many Mods
Grey Bumper Posse
1990 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
Many Mods
Flip Up Light Posse
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Edited by: Lancer14 at: 3/11/02 6:13:08 pm
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Yeah, I read it. It just confused me because there is some jumping back and forth and I'm like those people who are into detail heheheh.
Lancer14
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yeah, i just grabbed info from a bunch of different posts and only edited it for spelling and a few little things.
Chris
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1994 Mitsubishi Mirage S Coupe
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Grey Bumper Posse
1990 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
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Flip Up Light Posse
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Lancer14,
I am a little loss, I read your post a few times and it's really good it has answer lot's of questions. I still have a few more if you don't mind.
1. the harness, is the the engine harness or the whole harness under the dash? Is the ECU plug and play?
2. The 2g Eclipse FWD trans will work?
3. I am getting my 93 this few weeks, is the clutch cable or hydro?
Thanks
dude in a mirage
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2.
2G FWD trannies have mounts on the tranny similar to the mirage so it would be easier.
3.
1.5L - cable clutch
1.8L - hydraulic
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Thanks for the answers dude in a mirage
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To answer your first question to the best of my ability, you will need the ECU from an Eclipse that is the same year as the engine you get, and you need the whole wiring harness that plugs into it, as the Mirage one won't fit.
Chris
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1994 Mitsubishi Mirage S Coupe
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1990 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
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Flip Up Light Posse
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I didn't want to get into this subject just yet - but since it's next on the horizon for me...
So we would need the entire wiring assembly from under the dash as well and just splice it in to whatever functions it's supposed to perform? I guess that's what's gonna eat a lot of time - fleshing out wiring diagrams.
I know we need all the stuff from under the hood - that's a given. That big ole snake looking harness that wraps around the instrument panel has to come out as well? I guess I'll get my self two packs of Shiner and some snips and have at it this weekend...
4G Coupe w/4G63t coming soon...
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I honestly can't say for sure what exactally you'll need, that question is better off left to Tom.
Chris
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1994 Mitsubishi Mirage S Coupe
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1990 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
Many Mods
Flip Up Light Posse
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I don't think you need anything more than the under hood harness. The Mirage Harness is broken down into several main parts:
1. Engine Harness
2. Dash Harness
3. Front Electrical Harness (on the driver's side, connects to fuse box and then striaght into the engine bay)
4. Rear electrical harness
You shouldn't have to touch #4 or #3.
You WILL have to replace #1
You will either simply have to plug the NEW engine harness into #2 or splice it in somehow.
ALL of the "daughter" harnesses plug into #2.....
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Hi all. I've got a 94 Colt 1.5 coupe. I've been looking into this motor swap since I bought my car back in Y2K but never had the money nor the immediate necessity to do it.... until now.
My poor 1.5 has taken some harsh beating and most recently I've gotten into a low speed rear end bang up. (pics to come soon)
Given my motors leaks on almost every gasket, my cracked transmission (I don't know how it happened) and my front end smash up... I think now would be a good time to get down to business.
1st ... Is there anyone in Canada (preferably the Toronto and GTA area) that has done or is in the process of doing anything like this? cause I really would like a recommended mechanic to work on my car.
2nd. given that my bumper, hood and a small portion of the fenders are all banged up, anyone have any recommendations as to body kits / conversions that would look nice? I know the evo IV kit from SSV is a very good possibility and first choice for most but I'm also looking at more domestic alternatives. Eclipse headlight conversion maybe.
FYI I'm not doing this for Drag Racing or Circuit or anything (at least not yet) This is gonna be a daily driver with a little umph (well a lot of umph if you consider I'm getting more than double the stock hp of the 1.5 motor! *big grrin*)
neway. I know this took up a lot of reading time but if you got this far then I'd love to hear your thoughts and feedback!!
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In the states there a number of us that deal with
4G63 parts.
However YOUR immediate shop is:
Magnus Motorsports
www.magnusmotorsports.com
Telephone: (905) 761-6142
Marco Passante and the guys at his shop are the reason that ALOT of guys with 97-99 Eclipses have kept their cars!!!!
If they founs a way to install a 6 bolt Eclipse motor into a 7 bolt chassis.
They can definitley help you with whatever they're trying to do.
Tell him Geoff from Mach V Motorsports referred you!
Geoff
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www.machv.com/machv/89dodcoltur.html
www.machv.com/machv/91gsx.html
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I am seriously thinking of swapping my 4G93 with a 4G61T. It looks like I can get a hold of a 4G61T for a lot cheaper than a 4G63T, and while I know I wouldn't be able to push the crazy HP that the 4G63T is capable of, I am not looking for that much power. I am more aiming for 200-220 hp in the end for Auto X and some drag racing...if I'm in the low 14s high 13s I'd be REAL happy. So my question is, how much of a difference in the swap process would there be between the 1.6 and the 2.0? I know it is the same block, just the 2.0 is bored out more. Do you guys think it would be similar? Do you think it would be worth it to go with a 1.6 T or stay with my 1.8 NA? Any thoughts?
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I'd say go 4G61T if you can do it affordably...even though it is a drop in displacement it might be easier to just swap it and upgrade the turbo/injectors then to turbo the 4G 1.8L...
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OK dude, I think I'll follow your advise. I myself have done a couple engine swap in my day, but never on an import. My roomate restores old classic cars (60s Impallas, a 65 Mustang, a 71 Chevelle, etc) and has a lange tool chest including an engine crane. I've seen some 4G61Ts for sale in forums for right around $1000 so given that, misc needed parts, a couple cases of beer, I think I can break 200HP for under 2K. Sounds like a winner to me. I know between jack and squat though about turbos though so this will be a big learning experience.
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help i am trying to swap a evo3 4g63 into my fwd eclipse. the motor mounts dont line up and i need new axles. what else. please help. thanks kawika
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you'd be better off trying an eclipse board... I think you'll have different problems than we are used to...
blytz
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WELP THERE YA HAVE IT KNOCK YOURSELF OUT GO KILL SOME DSM'S
and try please try to not spin the tires in 4th gear remember its a ONE legger unless you LSD dat bitch :P have fun
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have fun!!!! but for real get some slicks or lsd and you will like it .. i have a complete Tutorial on how to do it let me look on my computer its saved somewhere ill post it back up here
