ball bearing/ ceramic ball bearing turbos...

[Jason84]

these be good for a dialy driver ? i heard of a few people having them and they didnt last long at all.. so just getting a few other opinions.. want a turbo that will spool a little faster.. but still give me good power when i need it on the strip..

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by Jason84
these be good for a dialy driver ? i heard of a few people having them and they didnt last long at all.. so just getting a few other opinions.. want a turbo that will spool a little faster.. but still give me good power when i need it on the strip..

yes doze be good fo dialy drive. just go to ballbearingturbo.com and order their super ball bearing pimp spooler.

 

[Jason84]

uhh huh ?

 

[Cablefed]

The reason most ball bearing turbos go belly up is due to contamination in the bearing cartridge. I know of a few people on here that are still running ball bearing turbos such as the 16G Killer without issues because they have an inline oil filter to catch any items that may cause contamination to the cartridge. Other than that they have quick spool up and usually don't require any water to cool them.

I'm looking forward to using my 16G Killer for autocrossing and roadracing. Weeeeeee

 

[Jason84]

thanks.

 

[MNGSX]

Get an inline oil filter.

Something good that filters 10 microns and below.

Also be prepaired to change this relatively often. When you filer that small it can get filled up/clogged quick.

Using a good primary engine oil filter and change it often too.
If it is one of the few filters that can actually deliver the claimed filtration rate it will fill quick too. When this happens the bypass valve will open and oil will just get routed by the filter.

I'd consider dual remotes. One bypass filter and one full flow.
That is a good combination to get the oil very clean without restricting oil flow in the process.

Use only a new upper turbo oil feed line.

Use a turbo timer or sensible combination of manual (idle time or cruise arond the block) cool down based on how you drive it.

 

[TSi999]

Originally posted by jdmawd



yes doze be good fo dialy drive. just go to ballbearingturbo.com and order their super ball bearing pimp spooler.

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thats too funny!!!

 

[Turbonium]

idk why people had to bash him for wanting a ballbearing turbo........ they are better if u can keep one good.....so idk peopel shoudl be more helpful here instead of just makin jaoke and makin fun of people, later
Ryan

 

[Omega]

BB turbo's initially got a bad rep years ago. With the new ceramic bearings a lot of the reliability issues have been put to rest. BB are the wave of the future... they allow you to use a bigger turbo but without the lag. How can you not love that!

 

[loreak]

turbonium maybe you speak some odd language, but noone was bashing anyone.....

ive heard bb turbos can die from oil pressure being too high also, but i dont know how true it is

 

[Car Cannibal]

You will see two things with the ball bearings on our cars,

There is a inline filter

Its oil feed is from the head, not the oil filter.

To much oil pressure will fly by the bearings and there is less pressure from the head than the oil filter area.

 

[bigfoot]

The only standard wheel BB turbos I've found are Turblonetics. Any comments on their quality? Or someone that builds a standard wheel turbo with a Garrett BB CHRA?

 

[Omega]

Turbonetics make top quality turbos. You will have no problems if you buy from them. Give them a call, their price sheet online isn't accurate. When I was pricing out the 62-1 for my Firebird it was actually $300 under what the site had listed

 

[Cablefed]

Car Cannibal is right on the money. Gotta get the oil feed off the head and make sure you put in an inline filter and check it frequently when you do your oil changes.

Turbonetics has some nice stuff. If my IHI 16G Killer ever goes belly up thats what I'm looking at next I just don't know which flavor. Good Luck.

 

[JET]

There is a reason why people call them turBLOnetics. They aren't using the GT series center housing on their ball bearing turbos. They are a single bearing, instead of duals. Some of their stuff is ok, but I would stick with true garrett components, not knock-offs. Their inconel turbine wheels do look nice though.

 

[bigfoot]

I agree, the Tubonetics BB CHRA doesn't had anything to performance.

 

[DarkstarTsi]

I posted a similar question concerning a Garret super T3 ceramic ball bearing turbo a few weeks ago. I got one from a SKyline GT-S for cheap so I wanted to see how it would work in my car. All the replies I got to my post said I shouldn't use it because at above 12 psi the ceramic turbine would break. Someone actually gave me a link to some Skyline forums and that was interesting because many Skylines break those ceramic turbos at psi ranges going from 11 to 15 psi.

 

[Turbonium]

whoops i read again an maybe it was late at night when i wrote that, not sure o well. it's intresting to hear about putting an inline filter before the turbo, would this help the life of a non-ballbearing turbo? or is it just not nessescary? thanks
Ryan

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by JET
There is a reason why people call them turBLOnetics. They aren't using the GT series center housing on their ball bearing turbos. They are a single bearing, instead of duals.

I just got off the phone with Turbonetics, and they will swap any t3/t4 turbo with a ceramic ball bearing center section wheels..ect for $1110. You can also buy the entire turbo for 1300 and bolt up your PTE housing to it, any turbine/compressor wheels you want.

There explanation for using a single bearing is that it can handle a greater thrust load then a dual bearing setup.

 

[Cirus_93TSI]

i hate to tell u jet, but garret t4 turbos are knock offs of the turbonetics type-04e, not rhe other way around, garrett just took turbonetics design and changed it to their likeing, then sold theirs for considerably cheaper then turbonetics, u see so many more garrett tuebos because u can get almost the same performance as a turbonetics one for close to half the price
turbonetics has been making 1000+hp turbos for porches, supras, and other high horsepower cars for many years, u wouldnt believe ur eyes if u saw a turbonetocs T100 y2k on a car, the thing is huge, and makes downright nasty power, garrett on the other hand focuses on the market of small diaplacement cars like dsms and hondas, i guess its all about marketing, supra and porche owners see spending 5 thousand on a turbo upgrade as nothing, while a dsm owner wold think its crazy to spend that on a turbo, thats y u dont see many turbonetocs tuebos on dsms

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by Cirus_93TSI
i hate to tell u jet, but garret t4 turbos are knock offs of the turbonetics type-04e, not rhe other way around, garrett just took turbonetics design and changed it to their likeing, then sold theirs for considerably cheaper then turbonetics, u see so many more garrett tuebos because u can get almost the same performance as a turbonetics one for close to half the price
turbonetics has been making 1000+hp turbos for porches, supras, and other high horsepower cars for many years, u wouldnt believe ur eyes if u saw a turbonetocs T100 y2k on a car, the thing is huge, and makes downright nasty power, garrett on the other hand focuses on the market of small diaplacement cars like dsms and hondas, i guess its all about marketing, supra and porche owners see spending 5 thousand on a turbo upgrade as nothing, while a dsm owner wold think its crazy to spend that on a turbo, thats y u dont see many turbonetocs tuebos on dsms

Man lets not turn this into why the dsm community does not like turbonetics. There stuff is (here comes the dsm communities favriote word on the planet) proven. In so many applications its ridiculous to even think otherwise.

why do you care what a bunch of dsm turbo swapping idiots think anyway? One thing though, you absolutely have to work on your sentence structure and spelling. Im no spelling bee winner by any means but you should spell check or proof read before posting.

 

[Cirus_93TSI]

i really dont thing sentance structure is important here, this is a message borad, not english class, everyone can understand what im saying
but ur right, it really doesnt matter what people here think of turbonetocs, their turbos cator to a completly different market them ours

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by Cirus_93TSI
i really dont thing sentance structure is important here, this is a message borad, not english class, everyone can understand what im saying
but ur right, it really doesnt matter what people here think of turbonetocs, their turbos cator to a completly different market them ours

You are correct this is not English class. However most of us read and use the English language. Again im not the best at punctuation or spelling. I actually suck at it, but I at least try to make my post as legible as possible.

This is a technical discussion forum. I think most would agree that at least some level of correct spelling and punctuation is required. I don't think running a quick spell check would kill you before you post. I mean these threads are permanently archived. Dont you think proper sentence structure and punctuation is important in a tech forum?

You make some ok points, its just hard to understand them unless you read your posts 4-5 times.