My up and coming setup

[Libila]

I am doing phase one on my 2g. Ok here is the stuff I have or have on order.

14b ported with 34mm wastegate flapper

RnR 2.5 o2 eliminator dp with straight pipe and 2.5 press bent catback with apexi n1 style muffler

Dejon tool intake with K&N FPIK, full dejon tool intercooler piping with their "big" sidemount intercooler

I also have autometer boost and airfuel gauges and dejons dual stage MBC.

Thats all the stuff Ill be putting in within the next couple weeks. Later to come is a walbro 255, 550s, and safc.

Am I leaving anything out? I think this is everything. Let me know what you guys think and if I need to add anything

 

[Libila]

O and I have a 1g BOV

 

[webbdog]

Everything looks good, except for one. I wouldn't waste your money on that upgraded sidemount. Just save some extra money and get a front mount later on.

 

[sunflashx]

Buy a Profec-B with the money you'd spend on that dual MBC. The old Profec-B rocks, the newer one is ok, but not quite as stupid simple as the older one.

Use the money from that upgraded side mount to get a AFPR setup.

SAFC's are ###. You have a 2g, DSMLink is a far better choice.

 

[Libila]

Whats a AFPR setup? Also about the intercooler, what the hell should I do? Ive been told any front mount is an over kill for a 14b. Thats why I said upgrade to the bigger sidemount. What are your guys thoughts on this?

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by Libila
I am doing phase one on my 2g. Ok here is the stuff I have or have on order.

14b ported with 34mm wastegate flapper

RnR 2.5 o2 eliminator dp with straight pipe and 2.5 press bent catback with apexi n1 style muffler

Dejon tool intake with K&N FPIK, full dejon tool intercooler piping with their "big" sidemount intercooler

I also have autometer boost and airfuel gauges and dejons dual stage MBC.

Thats all the stuff Ill be putting in within the next couple weeks. Later to come is a walbro 255, 550s, and safc.

Am I leaving anything out? I think this is everything. Let me know what you guys think and if I need to add anything

clutch,afpr and datalogger

 

[AlecW81]

Is an adjustable fuel pressure regulator really neccesary this early in his mod process? The clutch is also a must (I'd say ACT 2100 since he's FWD) And don't think a datalogger is really needed at this stage either. I know more than a few DSMers that still haven't seen the "need" for a logger and they run FP Greens and other assorted above average turbos.

 

[13secGST]

do you plan to stay with 14b or upgrade later...if you want to upgrade later to something bigger than I would get a 3" turbo back intsead of 2.5

 

[Libila]

I dont know about upgrading later well see when the time comes. The 14b setup is final now, the turbo is on the way. So now we need to concertrate on this setup. So with the boost controller, is dejons dual stage mbc a good choice or should I go profec b? The intercooler question needs to be addressesed because I have an interested buyer in my t25 and sidemount. The logger will be ordered just to have in case I need it. I already have a clutch if you would look at my extremely short mod list. And I can look into the fuel pressure regulater when I do the fuel mods. Anything else?

 

[sunflashx]

I'd do the AFPR at the same time you do the pump.

I'd also get a Greddy FMIC. RRE has them dirt cheap right now as I think they are being discontinued.

Skip the logger and get DSMLink.

 

[Libila]

Ok here is something else I am considering, 16g. Now with the 16g is there a big difference between a "small" and big"? There is a group buy going on with a small 16g and 2g install kit that I could take advantage of, what do you guys think? I also found a buyer for my t25 and sidemount so I know Ill have a little extra money and that 14b is on the way so I can port that and give it a 35mm wastegate flapper then sell that also. This will work. I just need to know if Im going to regret getting a small 16. Thanks guys for the help.

 

[Libila]

Is the t28 even near as powerful as a big 16g? What do you guys think of a ported out t28 with 2.5 inch turbo back exhaust, front mount intercooler, external tial wastegate (38mm), then intake and fuel mods? Im still getting the SAFC and datalogger just to be safe. By the way, Sunflashx- you still go to slcsr alot? after my magazine was done I didnt have a use for it anymore. I just recognized your sn. Anyway sorry for two posts but can you answer questions from both if possible?

 

[LookMomNoBdyKit]

Originally posted by sunflashx
Buy a Profec-B with the money you'd spend on that dual MBC.

A person after my own heart. Manual Boost Controllers, no matter how snazzy, are a ticking time bomb. Pick up a used Profec B for like 200 on dsmtrader. I had a Dejon Tool MBC and it was the most insane thing I have ever seen, as far as controlling boost was concerned. It would be ok at 15psi then I would get on it and it would spike to 22psi. Other times it would stay at 14psi, and jump to 18. Not worth the heart ache IMHO. EBC all the way. And how much did you spend on the 14b? Coulda got a s16g or t28(b16g is a shitter). The small 16g is a much more efficient turbo when compared to its big brother. If you're thinking about a b16g, you might as well just get a t28killer. But a FPBig28 is a damn fine turbo upgrade for a slightly modified 2G. Direct fit too, what else could you ask for, another cup holder?

Good luck,

 

[Libila]

I got the 14b for $100 shipped. Im going to port it and do a 34mm wastegate flapper and sell it. Im really thinking Big t28 killer. I have never heard anything bad about it.

 

[kpt4321]

Originally posted by LookMomNoBdyKit

Manual Boost Controllers, no matter how snazzy, are a ticking time bomb.

Right, that must be why tons of local 11 second guys use them, and why a lot of 10 and 9 second national guys use them.

If you buy a Hallman or a Joe P., you will be FINE. Almost everyone I know runs one of these, and they are GREAT.

....Kyle T.

 

[kpt4321]

A big 16g is less efficient until about 25 psi, at which point the big 16g steps past the small 16g.

Below 15 or 16 psi, the 14b and the small 16g are about the same thing.

You might want to reconsider doing a 34mm flapper, do searches for posts by 95GSXRacer about the door blowing open.

...Kyle T.

 

[LookMomNoBdyKit]

Originally posted by kpt4321
Right, that must be why tons of local 11 second guys use them, and why a lot of 10 and 9 second national guys use them.

If you buy a Hallman or a Joe P., you will be FINE. Almost everyone I know runs one of these, and they are GREAT.

....Kyle T.

That's cool, I was totally unaware that Extreme, Shep, Magnus, Pruven, Turbotrix, Buschur, and the like were all daily drivers. I know about 23 local(PA/NJ/DE) DSMer's and the ones with MBC always complain about spikes and uncontrollable boost. They also don't have the money for a Profec B or similar Electronic jobbers.

Good night,

 

[13secGST]

I have the turbo XS MBC and have no problems with it...set the psi and it stays there...do one full turn and get another psi to psi and a half. easily adjustable and I love it...now to have an EBC like Profec B that could be mounted inside the car...that would be nice but I really don't want to spend the money...I have other things to get like a JIC coilover kit, Quiafe LSD, 50trim...and so on...all of which is much more important than a EBC.

 

[Libila]

Christ people this thread is going the opposite direction. I am getting a profec B so go argue about MBC vs EBC somewhere else. Now I want to know about the Big T28 Killer. What are the spool characteristics and what kind of psi is it good to? I hear it supports up to 380hp, true? Let me know because the purchase will be soon on a new turbo.

Also if the t28 killer isnt all its cracked up to be Im thinking the RS43 from agp. Let me know......

 

[LookMomNoBdyKit]

I came across a thread discussing the T28 Killer, and Turbocharged pointed out reasons as to why you should not get a "Killer" turbo.

Originally posted by Turbocharged
I would go with the small 16g before buying the big 16g. I would rather have a turbo that is more efficient. Compare the big16g's compressor map to that of the small 16g's and try and tell me that the big 16g is better.

When I first heard about the killer I was very sceptical. How could a turbo with a big 16g wheel (inefficient) work properly in conjunction with a tiny 6 cm housing. Obviously there are going to be some efficiencey problems. Which is probably why your turbo was glowing red.

The eliminator and SBR 2g 20g on the other hand incorperate a 20g wheel (efficient) with a modified T3 compressor housing (large compressor housing) and a td05h turbine in a 7cm turbine housing (proven to be a good combination).

And I want to have a newer "prototype" turbo. I like the idea of not being like every other person around my area with a goddamn big16g or a FP t28. I want to have something a little more unique. It think that in time these turbos will be proven to run some very impressive times. And I want to be one of the first persons to see these turbos full potential.

And what was scaring you so much about the glowing turbo? Its very normal. Ive seen several people with 14b's glow from daily driving. Check out some of these discussions:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/sho...t=glowing+turbo
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/sho...t=glowing+turbo
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/sho...t=glowing+turbo

I am a big fan of SlowBoy's GT Series turbos such as, in your case, the GT10. I do like the AGP RS43 too though, they both have t04e compressor housings and I wont buy anything but. For a 825$ turbo that bolts onto your stock manifold and o2 housing, you can't really beat the RS43. Only alteration realls is plugging the water lines bc theyre non watercooled.

t04e baby,

 

[LookMomNoBdyKit]

I forgot to ask... you can read and map out points on a compressor map right? Check out the GT10, FPBig28, and RS43 compressor maps with your setup. http://www.gnttype.org can teach you exactly how to figure it out if you don't already know. Great site.

Happy hunting,

 

[MNGSX]

MBC's are simple but a good capable streemined EBC like the profec B can adjust to temp changes and adjust levels alot faster.

MBC's are great for track only cars or people who don't mind tweaking it themselves from time to time to adjust to conditions.

The AGP's are nice as are PTE's

Both have either a 360 thrust or a bb center depending on what you pay.

The internal gate is already in the price of the PTE and is an option on the AGP. Final pricing btw the two is close and the same comp and turbine trims are available.

 

[LookMomNoBdyKit]

Originally posted by 13secGST
I have the turbo XS MBC and have no problems with it...set the psi and it stays there...do one full turn and get another psi to psi and a half. easily adjustable and I love it...now to have an EBC like Profec B that could be mounted inside the car...that would be nice but I really don't want to spend the money...I have other things to get like a JIC coilover kit, Quiafe LSD, 50trim...and so on...all of which is much more important than a EBC.

For the price of an XS Dual Stage MBC, you can get a used Profec b and have enough money left over to treat your buddies to Dollar Menu McDonalds style. Can't beat an EBC.

Just my $.02 again,

 

[peregrine]

tim, why dont you ask the local fast guys what to do? jeez, we live 30 miles away and your on here asking. if your gonna buy an afpr get some 660 inj. im glad you only blew $100 on your 14b. you better start saving for a 50 trim because when you cant hang with any of the other dsm's around here youll want one

 

[LookMomNoBdyKit]

Originally posted by peregrine
im glad you only blew $100 on your 14b. you better start saving for a 50 trim because when you cant hang with any of the other dsm's around here youll want one

hahahaha

Ooouch, around here dems be fightin words. Just goofin, that's good advice though. SBR GT14 like a muthah.

hahaha,