14B on a 2G

[boostineclipse]

I know some of you have it on your cars. What kind of gains have you seen over the T-too small. Have you ran it at the track with it yet? And would

 

[BigBADGSX]

i myself was planning on swaping a ported 14b on my 2g awd, but i didnt have the money for the install kit and was way to lazy to make my ass one so i decided to max out my t25 and im doing a damn good job at it. Anyway i know there are a few guys out there running a 14b on their car and love it, for the money you spend on this turbo swap you gain so much top end over the t25 its not even funny. I also know that there is a guy on this site that has the turbo on his 2g and running 12's correct me if im wrong, anyway if i where you and im assuming your on a budget like most of us they you might wanna consider this turbo its cheap and it can put down some damn good #'s with the right driver/money/modds good luck

 

[boostineclipse]

Yeah, a friend would sell me his for 150$, and he can help with the install. So I was really looking to pick it up.

 

[Enigma_Man]

Well, I don't know your reasons, but I'm just curious as to why you'd go with a 14b, when a 16g can probably be had for just a little more money (I'm assuming you're looking for a used one)

Do they sell new 14b's?

I'm just wondering, cause people have claimed that the 16g is the "perfect" turbo for most streeting/sometimes racing applications. I just recently got a 16g myself. Even though I have the boost turned way down for now just to be safe (until I get more money to be able to tell whether or not I'm running dangerously) it still feels so much faster than the 14b. Especially on the top end, it just doesn't let off

Not that you can't go fast with the 14b, but it seems to be a little easier to go fast later, when you have the need for speed with the 16g, but still take advantage of it now if your car isn't beefed up.

-Jesse

 

[Claud99gsx]

I know a guy who ran a 12.7 with a 14b on his 2g... so yes, it is possible.

 

[germain101]

personally, i like my 14b a lot...it made a big change in my power band too...i think between the price i paid for the turbo and the parts to install it, i only spent about $150...i have no plans of upgading this turbo until it becomes the one thing that is holding me back from going any faster...just my thoughts

 

[BigBADGSX]

Well, I don't know your reasons, but I'm just curious as to why you'd go with a 14b, when a 16g can probably be had for just a little more money (I'm assuming you're looking for a used one)

you are definitly not gonna pick up a 16g for around the same price as a 14b setup.....the 14 will outshine the t25 all day long and its also cheaper than a 16g so if your broke like most of us at the time and have to save your money then the 14b is the turbo of choice,

big16g ported and clipped = 750
" " install kit = 300

14b from a friend = 150 or 60 like i got! im lucky
14b install kit = 300

theres the numbers its simple math

 

[boostineclipse]

Yeah..that was my thinking also..I can get my 14B for 150$, then I can just get the hacker/tweater kit from RRE for about for 195$

 

[95gstproject]

dose the 14b fit right on a 2g manifold cause i have thinking of doing this also

Thanks

 

[xleRateGSX]

Hacker-Tweaker kit from RRE is 325.00 assuming the 14b is in premium condition 150.00 total 14b cost is 475.00 and for 125.00 more you can have a 16g....

Just like the starquest intercooler this setup is BS

 

[BigBADGSX]

Originally posted by xleRateGSX
Hacker-Tweaker kit from RRE is 325.00 assuming the 14b is in premium condition 150.00 total 14b cost is 475.00 and for 125.00 more you can have a 16g....

Just like the starquest intercooler this setup is BS

This set up is BS? what turbo are you running? anything is better than a t25, but the funny thing is im running 13's on the t25, and there are guys running 12's on the 14b, i find that funny simply because they are putting down better times than some guys with 16g's.........and the 16g is supposed to be the "ALL AROUND TURBO" i should go out and put my 14b in and have my goal as high 11's then we will see if the setup is BS. Especially on a budget this setup is awsome! so think before you speak

 

[IPT]

check out www.importevolution.com Find the white 2G (Ryan) he has a 14B on his car and with next to nothing mods runs 12.9. I think he has a video of it up.

 

[tjh-dsm]

Originally posted by xleRateGSX
Hacker-Tweaker kit from RRE is 325.00 assuming the 14b is in premium condition 150.00 total 14b cost is 475.00 and for 125.00 more you can have a 16g....

Just like the starquest intercooler this setup is BS

Hey genius, you need the install kit for BOTH the 14b and 16g, so throw that outta the math equation. So once again, it's: 750-150=$600 cheaper. And it's not BS, where do you get your misinformation from? Shawn Jewer on this board ran a 12.7 I believe on his 95 GSX w/ a 14b.

 

[germain101]

you guys don't have to buy that "hacker tweeker"kit...it's so easy to make it yourself...here's what you need:

1. oil feed line from a 1g (goes from the turbo to the head)

2. take the water feed & return lines off the t-25 and put them on the 14b (you'll have to bend the feed line up just a tad)

3. 2" radiator hose with two 90 degree bends

4. about 2' of exhaust pipe (i would recommend having a beed welded around the ends of all your custom piping so they don't blow off)

5. plug for the oil line you will remove from the oil filter housing

Miscellaneous.....

1. i replaced the stud in the turbo with a bolt for easy removale

2. banjo bolt and crush washer for feed line to head (this is if you didn't get it with the feed line itself)

3. gaskets...it's up to you, but if you feel they are in good condition reuse them...

really can't think of anything else right now, but if i do i'll edit the post...
hope this helps some of you out there...oh, if you can, i would recommend porting the turbine housing out to 7cm and changing that gasket to 7cm...the gasket serves as a good template for porting...i think i'm done now...

oh, after you put it on and realise that you're only getting 10psi of boost, this is normal...wastegate actuators are set different between the t-25 and 14b...

 

[Kevin Jewer]

I got my 14b for 100 bucks with 130k miles. I got the hacker tweaker kit (only 199 btw ) and installed it myself. Ran a 13.1 the first night out with it. Stock SMIC, Injectors, and pump, and all 2g head/intake parts got me a 12.83 at 106. A few more goodies got me down to 12.7 at 108 and a best mph of 109. A 16g I borrowed was only good for a 12.5 at 108 and a 110.5 best mph in the month or so I raced with it. I wasnt too impressed. With more time I'm sure I could mae it faster, but I'm glad I got the 14b for much less money...

 

[Lethal GST]

Originally posted by xleRateGSX
Hacker-Tweaker kit from RRE is 325.00 assuming the 14b is in premium condition 150.00 total 14b cost is 475.00 and for 125.00 more you can have a 16g....

Just like the starquest intercooler this setup is BS

haha dude, the hacker-tweaker kit from RRE is only $195, the full install kit is $325. either way man, you're gonna need some sort of install kit for a 14b or 16g.

BTW you forgot i had a 14b turbo didn't you
and i can tell you that it's not a BS set-up.

 

[CyberDSM]

Is there that much of a difference between the full install kit and the hacker/tweaker kit? Do you have to be some kind of car guru to use the hacker/tweaker kit?

 

[SPEEDY]

Guy's.... don't forget about the FP Big28! I shipped my T-25 core off to FP, bought a 7cm gasket, and had the turbo ported, and had it shipped back to me for a total of $881 bucks. It's very comparable to a Big 16g. Plus.... it's a direct bolt on. Trust me, it's a killer turbo.

 

[Kevin Jewer]

The only real difference is that you have to file out the holes on the 2g drain line. Its easy but it does take time. Also, you have to reuse your gaskets, but they should all be fine. The only execption is that if you have the turbine houisng ported to 7cm, you will need 7cm gasket. Just swap the front and rear water lines and they require only the slightlest bending to line up. All of the important stuff is there, J and L pipes, and oil feed line.

 

[Enigma_Man]

Originally posted by BigBADGSX
you are definitly not gonna pick up a 16g for around the same price as a 14b setup.....the 14 will outshine the t25 all day long and its also cheaper than a 16g so if your broke like most of us at the time and have to save your money then the 14b is the turbo of choice,

You can find a used 16G for only a little more than a used 14b. And you're probably guaranteed to be getting a turbo with less miles on it. A used 14b will be in who knows what kind of condition (not that a 16g wouldn't, but it will most likely be older/beat on).

If you talk to some of the more experienced guys here, they'll probably tell you the same thing too, it's much cheaper/easier to buy one turbo than to buy twice, if you upgrade later.

Also, I'm sure the 14b is an improvement, but not by a huge margin, and when you get a few more mods on the car, you're probably gonna be wishing you didn't waste your money on it.

My opinions only though

-Jesse

 

[me612]

ya, i got my 14b for 75 bux, got the rre install kit, everything hooked right up nicely, it was my first time ever installin a turbo so i got the whole instal kit. But ya, ended up being 400 dollars total. I dunno where u can find a 16g close to what i paid for my 14b but if u gotta hook up with a 16g then got for it, otherwise id say juss find a friend with a 1g and when they upgrade, show him 75 bux in his face and he'll be like HELL YA and hand u the turbo. that's what i did and i gotta say, i think it was a well spent 400 bux, cuz it definately outdoes that t25, and now i pretty much have the setup for an even biggr turbo if i want to upgrade later to say a 16g or 20g or whatever i choose

 

[CyberDSM]

Originally posted by IPT
check out www.importevolution.com Find the white 2G (Ryan) he has a 14B on his car and with next to nothing mods runs 12.9. I think he has a video of it up.

You know I was checking his mod list and didn't notice injectors, are the stock 2g injectors enough for a 14b? Also I see that he has a walbro 255, don't you need some kind of fuel pressure regulator to work with that?

 

[Kevin Jewer]

With the 14b, the 450s were out of fuel above 16 psi on a cool day, 17 on a normal day. But on race gas I never found the limits of them, and ran 109 mph on them. For pump gas HP 550s were a nice upgrade for me.

 

[Mitsu_Racing]

95GSXracer, do you have a website? I'm planning on getting a 14B but then i don't know what mod to do next, maybe 550's, a rewire, and AFC? What do you think? I don't have enough $$$ to get both the 550's and the AFC so should i just get the AFC first and play around with that?

 

[Kevin Jewer]

Well since you cant run 550s without the AFC, you have to get that first. Just for reference my mods on the 2g motor were 14b and rre hacker/tweaker install kit, 190lph, AFC/logger, 1g bOV, 2600, boost control, and exhaust and filter. So you are close. I ran 12.8 at 106 on that setup, stock 450s, SMIC etc. The clutch is critical though. So plan for that soon.