Thinking about a 16G of some sort.

[focusedrage]

ok well I though i would like some power, and money might come along.

I will be adding a 3" dp, fuel pump, regulator, safc II, and a profc b to my mods soon, and then i figured i would get a 16g or big 16g when money comes around.

with thouse mods what kind of hp could i expect, and what would be the top amounts posible, slowboy claims 350 on the big 16 g and 300 on the regular. what should i expect. Thanks for the help.

 

[autronicDSM]

Since you have to ask about it don't expect more then 250

 

[peregrine]

save an extra $300 and buy the pte 50 trim. that will get you your 350 horses REAL easy.

 

[focusedrage]

oh shut up autoronic, i am sick of all this if you have to ask bull shit, there is nothign wrong with asking, i should be able to ask what ever question i want? does that mean that anyone who asks a question about a turbo automaticaly cant tune or something... jesus, your such an idiot.

anyway i will look into this turbo your talking about peregrine, but im thinking of the spooling and what not.

 

[peregrine]

i *think* its only about a 500 rpm spool difference. could be wrong. but the 50 trim supports 450 horses. get some 550's and your done.

 

[DSM Stang-Eater]

Wait so the 16g only supports 300hp??? wow i thought u could get 300hp without a new turbo, so would there be any advantages to getting a 16g if ur already completed all of the power modifications in stage one of the DSMTuners guide??

 

[slideways]

Originally posted by DSM Stang-Eater
Wait so the 16g only supports 300hp??? wow i thought u could get 300hp without a new turbo, so would there be any advantages to getting a 16g if ur already completed all of the power modifications in stage one of the DSMTuners guide??

Of course there are advantages... the 16G is what should have came from the factory on DSMs anyway.

 

[DSM Stang-Eater]

like what advatages? say u were close too 300hp with your 14b, u swap in a new ported 16g wit 34mm flapper mod, are u gonna gain much hp?

 

[Kevin Jewer]

14b is good for 300 whp, on a well setup and tuned car, at about 30 lbs/min flow. I saw 40 lbs per minute on a big 16g I borrowed, but I had to wire the internal 34mm WG shut to get that (see thread I made about that). Most people will see ~37 pounds per minute, which is 7 more than 14b, or about 70 hp. 14b has done 11.8, 16g has done about 11.5. But you pick up about 4-5 mph on well tuned cars. In my humble opinion, the 16g may not be a worthwhile upgrade, especially for 1g. I would rather spend a little more and get somethng with more headroom so you dont outgrow it right away. But then you have start considering the cost of adequate boost control provisions, your tuning ability, how far you are willing to take the project, etc. So the 16g may make sense. The usual upgraded turbo conversation. Theres no simple correct answer... No cut and dried set of numbers everyone with every car/setup/skill set can base a decision on... But I hope this helps.

 

[focusedrage]

thanks, the turbo i was looking at in particular was slowboy's special 2g big 16 g, cause that comes ported with the flapper, and all the goodies for a bolt on, i wonder if anyone can comment on that one.

 

[autronicDSM]

Originally posted by focusedrage
oh shut up autoronic, i am sick of all this if you have to ask bull shit, there is nothign wrong with asking, i should be able to ask what ever question i want? does that mean that anyone who asks a question about a turbo automaticaly cant tune or something... jesus, your such an idiot.

anyway i will look into this turbo your talking about peregrine, but im thinking of the spooling and what not.

And I'm sick of reading threads by ####in idiots like you who have to ask how much HP can they expect from things they don't even have on their car and those questions were asked 1000 of times. How hard is it to find how much air can turbo flow and multiply that by 10 to give you estimate max HP turbo can support? If you ask stupid question expect stupid answers.

 

[focusedrage]

then dont read them, clealy there are others that enjoy helping people, when friends of mine ask me questions i dont yell at them and say go get a book about it

 

[autronicDSM]

Same goes to you, if you don't like the answer no need to reply and bi***. I think this board could use some NABR-like rules

 

[herostar]

another option if you want an easy bolt on and big16g power would be the t28 killer turbo from turbochargers.com or a ported Forced Performance Big28 turbo. These will save you the installation kits and needing new lower IC pipes

 

[slowboydlr]

Last time I checked everybody had to start somewhere. So let the guy ask the questions he wants. You really don't have to reply to the thread and be a prick about it. NABR has thier own rules. If you don't like it here go back to NABR.

 

[focusedrage]

hmm, i thought about a t28 of some sort, but i have heard people say that the t28 looses something high in the rpms, that upon swithing to a big 16 g they felt a real difference.

what is nabr?

 

[Kingdom]

How about sleeper 16g.

 

[boostineklipz]

Originally posted by autronicDSM
Same goes to you, if you don't like the answer no need to reply and bi***. I think this board could use some NABR-like rules

Last time I checked this was DSmtuners not NABR, quit your bitchin and if you dont like the question then dont respond.

I just recently got a big 16g. This is great upgrade for the 2gs cause the stock t-25 just sucks! I picked it over the big t-28 because I have seen better numbers with a 16g and I got a great deal on one. I am hoping to see somewhere of 300whp with this turbo with some good tuning and a couple more mods.

A couple people on the board like GSTspeedracer have made more then 300whp with the big 16g. So it can make more then 300whp but the AGP 50 trim is a insanely nice turbo. After riding in eclipse4x4s car, its very impressive.

 

[deusxmachina]

Originally posted by focusedrage


with thouse mods what kind of hp could i expect, and what would be the top amounts posible, slowboy claims 350 on the big 16 g and 300 on the regular. what should i expect. Thanks for the help.

Autronic already answered the "what should I expect" part: "Since you have to ask about it don't expect more then 250." Take that however you want, but it's true. The small 16g has done 351 at the wheels, and maybe even more, so there's some numbers for you. And if you want numbers just for those mods listed above, then since I didn't see any injectors listed, 300hp is probably going to be about it no matter what turbo you get.

 

[dsmbandit]

I want to upgrade my turbo soon, hopefully within the next couple months. I have been trying to decide which one to go with 16g or big16g. I heard both agruements with them and I would like a lil more power also. Is there much lag with the big 16g and how is it with a stock SMIC? I plan to upgrade to a FMIC too. Thanks.

 

[Kevin Jewer]

The difference in lag between the two is practically imperceptible. Very small. Anyone that says things like use the small for autox and the big for dragrace etc hasnt run both turbos. The difference is slight. They both use the same exhaust side. And the turbos have both run the same times. So without even getting into the whole compressor map arrguement, suffice it to say they are damn close and will work about the same. It comes down to cost. If you can get the Big for just a little bit more and it will make you feel better go with it. If the difference is more than say 50 bucks, why bother. And I know Leon has also been saying this longer than I have even been into DSMs