Guys help me out here, need to turbo a d17 civic

[focusedrage]

A friend wants me to turbo his 2003 civic ex d17, i called around, no kits yet, i heard that some guy made plenty of power on 8psi... so i want to build a custom kit with a t25 cause it only needs 8 psi roughly, is that good? and what about feul upgrades...


im good with dsm desions, but not with this, but i know how well you all know turbos, thanks.

 

[pneumo]

All I can offer is to say that the T25 would be an excellent turbo for running 8 psi. When Mazda turbocharged their MP3 they did the same thing; they took their stock NA motor and stuck a turbo on it running 8 psi. They used the T25.

 

[MitzEclipse]

all i can say is f u c k hondas

 

[DSMJim]

You will need the following.

Manifold
Turbo
Downpipe
Intercooler Pipes
Intercooler
BOV
Wastegate
(this is the regular stuff were used to)

What you will need that your not used to is
1) FMU.. I recommend a Cartech from BEGI (our friend Corky Bell) This will raise pressue with boost on a ratio of 10:1 (10psi of fuel for 1 psi of boost) This is the correct ratio for Honda's believe it or not.
2) Intake fuel pump, walbro 190lph for a DSM will work fine, easy install. The Cartech FMU will lower the base FP for you as well they are adjustable
3) Check valves. The stock ECU can not see boost period. Take the map sensor off the top of the throttle body and plug the hole. Silicone works good. Goto the junk yard and get check valves from junker cars, you will need 5 of them. THey are little orange and white or yellow and white plastic thinks pluged into the vacume line, only about 1 or 2 per car. Look in the old Honda Accord, Preludes and Civics 86-90. THey bleed of small amounts of air so wHat you will do is take the MAP sensor you pulled off the throttle body and run a seperate vac line from anywhere off the manifld. In that line you will place 5 T's so that you have a line with a lot of lines coming off it. THen put a little piece of vacume hose and put the check valve on the end of it. This will allow a bit of pressure to be bled off before boost reaches the map sensor. If boost reaches the map sensor you will get CE lights.. It will look sorta like the pic I attached. You will need about 5 valves to bleed off 8psi. It will sorta look like a Cows utter when it's done.. They are supposed to bleed off pressure to the atmosphere. The computer doesn't need to know that Boost is there, thats what the FMU is for.

As for install, oil feed comes from the back of the block on the passanger side where to stock oil pressure sender is. Put a T in there and run a -3 braided line from that location to the turbo. Use all stainless or regular steel fittings for oil. NO BRASS!!!! Return back to the tank. Pull the oil pan off, clean it out, drill a hole in it and weld on a pipe so you can put an oil return hose over it. 5/8's is the perfect size. Clean out the filings from drilling and re-install the pan.

Any more questions? (yeah I have turbo'd a few hondas before incase you didn't notice...)

 

[DSMJim]

Forgot to attach this image. Here is what the vac line going to the map sensor with the check valves would "roughly" look like. Yeah thats a bad drawing I know but you get the idea...

 

[focusedrage]

thanks, that is very help ful, but some guy on a honda forumn said the feul system on the d17 motor was returnless... will it all still work? Also as feasable as your check valve thing sounds, there has got to be a more profesional way? anyway thanks, this is helpful

 

[mxracer]

Instead of using the fmu and check valves you could always go with a fuel management system. But i think jim was just trying to save you some coin

 

[focusedrage]

thanks, will a vafc work for that? some one on a honda forum said i would need another injector?

 

[mxracer]

I'm not positive an afc will work on a returnless fuel system. I think it should but i have no experience. What honda site are you using? Try and ask some people on honda-tech.com they are much more oriented towards performance.
Good luck

 

[98TsiAWD]

Use a 14b, not a T2small. The T25 is very ineffecient even at small boost numbers.

 

[DSMJim]

I dont know if D17 is returnless, I dont think it is. Check to see if it has a FPR and a return line. I would be suprised however we dont normally work on those motors so I am having a hard time recalling right now...

The check valves is the way everybody does it, even Drag turbo kits come with check valves. As others have said you don't want to use that you can always buy an AEM EMS for the car, that's the more "professional" way

 

[gritsak]

there IS a turbo kit out for the car. my friend that works at a local shop just installed one on a civic.

right now there is no good fuel managment out for the car yet. the kit he has gives you a custom fuel setup with a larger pump, but he is still limited to semi low boost due to not wanting to blow the motor

if you are SERIOUS give these guys a call... 1-937-298-2856. thats the shop my friend works at, its called johnny mac motorsports. they can get the kit for you, or point you in the right direction. tell them Andy sent you

it takes a couple weeks to get the kit becuase they are fully custom, but fitment was very good on it and the owner of the car is happy with it.

greddy is making a kit for the new civics, but knowning them it wont be out for awhile.

 

[alex99gst]

Originally posted by MitzEclipse
all i can say is f u c k hondas

amen. this site is for dsm's not for riced out hondas. post this on a honda forum somewhere else...................

 

[gritsak]

Originally posted by MitzEclipse
all i can say is f u c k hondas

dude, you have a n/a eclipse...a stock civic would prolly spank you:laugh:

 

[MitzEclipse]

WHERE...!!!

MY SISTER HAS A 97 CIVIC EX.. AND ILL SPANK IT BY 2 CARS WITH A GOOD ASS DRIVER... U DONT KNOW WHAT UR TALKIN ABOUT!!!!


A STOCK HONDA WILL BEAT YOU MAN.. sht the fukc up

 

[ItsStockOfficer]

Originally posted by DSMJim
I dont know if D17 is returnless, I dont think it is. Check to see if it has a FPR and a return line. I would be suprised however we dont normally work on those motors so I am having a hard time recalling right now...

The check valves is the way everybody does it, even Drag turbo kits come with check valves. As others have said you don't want to use that you can always buy an AEM EMS for the car, that's the more "professional" way

Yeah, and even though its the way everybody does it, its still complete crap. You think you can tune a car that is trying to be safe by running 60-100 psi fuel pressure on top of base? You think their injectors work too great at 145 psi? Thats a big negative, ghostrider. FMU's are one of the main reasons turbo hondas get a bad rap....FMUS's make for slow cars.

Get dsm 450's and a safc...and use a 14b, not a t25.

 

[gritsak]

Originally posted by MitzEclipse
WHERE...!!!

MY SISTER HAS A 97 CIVIC EX.. AND ILL SPANK IT BY 2 CARS WITH A GOOD ASS DRIVER... U DONT KNOW WHAT UR TALKIN ABOUT!!!!


A STOCK HONDA WILL BEAT YOU MAN.. sht the fukc up

your braggin about beating your sisters civic by 2 car lengths with a good driver...funny chet

 

[alex99gst]

Originally posted by gritsak


dude, you have a n/a eclipse...a stock civic would prolly spank you:laugh:

dude, you are ###. comming in here talkin bad bout dsm.
how bout you take the dildo out of your a$$ and get a reality check, HONDAS SUCK

 

[ItsStockOfficer]

Im afraid I agree Gritsak...Non turbos DSM's can't get out of their own way. My g/fs auto d17 could beat one.

 

[gritsak]

Originally posted by alex99gst


dude, you are ###. comming in here talkin bad bout dsm.
how bout you take the dildo out of your a$$ and get a reality check, HONDAS SUCK

haha shut up ricer...i have a dsm and i have had plenty of hondas and like them both...ignorant people like you give dsm'ers a bad name, especially when you talk shit then would get spanked by a honda...but the point of this thread isnt to argue about honda vs dsm..so back to on topic

 

[Tevenor]

I suggest you all get back on topic. All I see is a bunch of bench-racing. Keep it on topic or the thread will get closed.

 

[MitzEclipse]

all you honda lovers are ###... fuking lawn mowers

 

[4ndrms]

http://www.maxrev.com./product.esiml?PID=2

 

[DSMJim]

Originally posted by 4ndrms
http://www.maxrev.com./product.esiml?PID=2

Oh God, you posted their website? Those have to be the worst turbo kits EVER!! We used one on a car and lets put it this way, it would have been easier to make our own, and the manifold was a total and complete piece of shit. It looks "OK" in the pictures but in person it's horibly welded, the pipes are not even lined up so there are lips and ridges all over inside of the manifold, absolutly the worst fitting worst looking and worst performing turbo kit to ever hit the market.

Please do yourself a favor and burn anything and everything that comes from "maxrev". I would rather install 6 civic motors in a DSM before every trying to install one of their kits on another Honda. They SUCK plain and simple. You should see the BOV they use, it looks like the guy made it himself in his garage..

 

[lowridin2g]

all i can say is f u c k hondas

dude u have a non turbo...........all i can say is STFU and saty out of the turbo performance threads if u have nothing good to say. i hate browsing through looking to increase my dsm knowledge and seeing little punks like u who is jealous cause a honda probably spanked him last night. u bi*** ass trick