pick a turbo (FP Green, BR20G, ETE32)

[larryd]

Turbos

FP Green 1375
8cm Exhaust Housing 75
Clipped 75
Bling Bling Polish 50
Install Kit 300
(not sure about this as I thought the green was a direct bolton but I know it requires a J pipe for the LICP)

Tial 40mm External Waste 400
Walbro 255 130
Spoolinup AFPR 130
1st Gen Rail 20
Bosch 660s 325
(from a friend)

3" Intake Pipe 140
TOTAL - 3020

BR20G 1050
Install Kit 300
Tial 40mm External Waste 400
Walbro 255 130
Spoolinup AFPR 130
1st Gen Rail 20
Bosch 660s 325
(from a friend)

3" Intake Pipe 140
TOTAL - 2495

ETE32 1384
Walbro 255 130
Spoolinup AFPR 130
1st Gen Rail 20
Bosch 660s 325
(from a friend)

3" Intake Pipe 140
TOTAL 2129

ok so here is the predicament on the three turbos.. First off I havent talked to FP about my Big28 issue so Im not sure if there going to be willing to help me out on the purchase of a Green since my Big28 is screwed up..

I cant find flow rates for the Green, only that it flows 10% more then the BR20G which should be a mean puppy.. the ETE32 on the other hand gives me a compressor map, states that the turbo is a 48lb/min 50 trim turbo so thats nice to know.. I just wish I could compare it to the Green and 20G with #s but doesnt everyone. so anyhow I know I have to make phone calls and tlak to FP, Buschur and Extreme Turbo but I wanted your advice.

Being FWDI need a turbo that will be a little laggier off the line and scream like a mother up to redline with the crower cams I have being the equivalent of the HKS 272/272 combo.. any advice is really appreciated..

 

[DSMu4ia]

You need an 02 housing, or a manifold mounted setup, to which to mount those externals too.

I personally wouldn't touch any of the hybrid turbo's now that the Garrett Ballistics stuff is out. www.agpturbo.com <-hint hint.

 

[KenTSIII]

How about comparing times that DSMs have ran w/ BR20gs & Greens... to the times ran by mutt owners? There are several br20g & FP greens in the 11s... & only a very small handful of mutts... who cares what a manufacturer says a turbo flows when it really doesn't work in the real world?

 

[97GSTAT]

Hey Ken have you taken your car to the track yet with that new turbo? I'm very interested in it and I'm wanting to see some track results with this turbo. Thanks.

P.S. The people at AGP are very helpful and anwser your questions rather quicky. It kind of suprised me, I'm used to waiting a week before I get an anwser. So if their turboes work as well as their customer service does, I'm going with them for my turbo.

 

[KenTSIII]

Unfortunately I can't go to the track till I get my race trans back from BM tranny... I broke a tooth of 1st gear & cracked the case. Right now I'm on some POS 90 tranny that grinds every gear but 4th... so no track for me till the real trans gets back...

 

[97GSTAT]

Damn that sucks! Is there anyone else out there that has one of these turboes?

 

[KenTSIII]

yes...

 

[larryd]

DSMu4ia.. I have a Victory Performance O2 dump tube that im swapping out for an o2 mounted external wastegate through them as soon as I make my turbo choice..

KenTSIII.. I dont like to compare times becuase just becuase a car runs a certain pass doesnt mean its becuase of the turbo.. id much rather see the turbos #s compared to each other side by side.. and even if I could.. AWD times dont tell me anything.. there us 1 FWD using a Green (tractionless) and he ran a 12.19 @ 112, a few guys with 20gs ranging from 12.2 to 13.4 and none have posted their times with Mutts... is that Extremes problem or are the #s that bad that owners dont want people to know.. thats the question. I mean I know van just went 12.2 I believe it was in his AWD at 5000ft with an ETE32 which is pretty damned insane..

 

[DSMu4ia]

Curt Brown just went 11.6x @ 132 in his FWD with a FP Green on it.

You can't take the best times..nor the worst, just average them out and hope you come out somewhere in the fastest 50%.

I still don't see anyone's reasoning behind going with a MUTT. They are so not proven, and their quality seems horrid.

I don't want to buy this "I'm not ready for the track yet, no time, etc" from the mutt owners. I love the classic "I haven't been to the track yet, but it feels like an 11-second car". God damn, get your asses in gear, and get those dogs..whoops MUTTS to the track. Times/MPH mean alot. My FWD (old setup) would walk a few mid-high 12-second AWD's...so what did that make it..a low 12-second car? Hell no, it ran mid 13's.

There will always be slow people running fast turbo's...that's life. I'd still get something proven, or by a reputible place, over anything that has basically no information, no times, and a ton of complains for when they
"went bad" and the company gave them nothing but hassles.

 

[larryd]

ok on that note though you were telling me to go with AGP.. they arent proven are they?? the green is and the 20g is.. but this AGP isnt..

 

[BatmanGSX]

Just get the Green. I have a 20G and I always wish I had spent a little more for a Green. The sad part is the car has never been driven with the 20G and I want an upgrade already. A Green is like the natural progression up from the 20G. I'd opt for a 7cm housing unless you are using a 150 shot. 20G good, Green better. ETE? I have no idea. No comments from me.

 

[Dannyboy1201]

I wish i had the GREEN.. grrrrrrrrr

 

[fast_talon]

Picking a turbo is not an easy decision.. My new turbo is going on tomorrow.. SBR-G50. We shall see what happens.. I think the most important thing is to buy the turbo from a shop you trust, and also be able or know of someone who can tune your car properly.

 

[NJGSX96]

Get the Green. My friend Andre dynoed 418WHP on pump and has run 11.8@119 on pump in his 2G. My friend Junior has run 11.8@115 in his 1G, untuned. The 20G is a kickass turbo, but the Green is that much better. If you are already spending $2500 for the 20G, what is another couple hundred? Do it right the first time.

 

[sunflashx]

Originally posted by larryd
ok on that note though you were telling me to go with AGP.. they arent proven are they?? the green is and the 20g is.. but this AGP isnt..

AGP isn't proven yet, but if you're considdering a mutt might as well throw that mutt out and go with a GT CHRA style hybrid, since the price is so close. AGP hasn't been around for long but they're just as proven as dsm-p is. Give them a couple months and they should be posting some track times.

 

[TurboSpoolinIns]

what ever happened to a T3/T4 setup? It'd end up being cheaper and they have produced some good numbers and times. Just my .02 cents...
getting the whole setup will run about $1750 for manifold, turbo, lines, WG, o2 housing, and gaskets, etc.. then all u gotta do is get those other things


Walbro 255 130
Spoolinup AFPR 130
1st Gen Rail 20
Bosch 660s 325
(from a friend)

3" Intake Pipe 140


and it totals to be..

$2355-ish.. and if u get a 50 trim, it'd be similar to a Green, getting a 60-1 for fun and laggy power..and so on, I think its a good thing to look into.

 

[97GSTAT]

A T3 or T3/T4 setup is not cheaper by any means. I've looked at it myself for a possible turbo setup. Granted I want to do a full ceramic ball bearing center section, but that is only another $500 more ontop of a normal T3 or T3/T4 turbo. Then you have a by a T3 mani and have a custom built O2 housing made, then you have to get a external. Now if your commparing it to a Green then, it's pretty close to the same price.

 

[dsmtrick]

Go Green. That's what I'd go.

Have fun deciding.

 

[dyezak]

I agree with going with the proven turbo's. The 20g and the Green are proven, and unfortunatly I've know two guys who were running the Green and went to a mutt and (one guy) litterally threw the Mutt away (Ross Cox). He ran a 11.2 on the green but couldnt get out of the 12's with the Mutt (lv. 5). He went to a red and is running 10.2's now in a 2g AWD Automatic. Go with what is proven...I'm giving up on my 19c and going full garret and garret manifold. Gotta go to the proven turbo's.

 

[Silent2g]

im going with the FP internal gated green in a couple months

or maybe the fp30 when it comes out

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by larryd
ok on that note though you were telling me to go with AGP.. they arent proven are they?? the green is and the 20g is.. but this AGP isnt..

Sean Ivey went 10.5 on a L3R in his street car, 1st gen AWD.The whole agp topic, proves that the whole proven not proven argument is bs. people are going to bandwagon a product no matter how good or bad it is. The agp product is a ball bearing mutt turbo. I know for a *FACT* that one eta32 owner who was one of them most prominent Internet dsm-performance bashers. turbo failure was due to install contamination not product failure.

 

[Z1500]

Actually AGP turbos are proven, low 11's in a full weight 1g first trip to the track. 12.0 in a full weight Galant first trip to the track. We just aren't posting any times till we break some records. Should have 10's at the shootout. Larrd, since cost is a major concern, you should really consider our L2R w/ internal gate. We have come up with a really innovative internal w/g set-up that actually works.

Kevin
www.agpturbo.com

 

[nano]

A friend of mine with a 20G on he's 1g pulled 115.2mph traps. With only changing to a green turbo he ran 119.7mph trap. He's time went from a 11.9 to a 11.6. I belive both had a 7cm ported housing.

 

[Spoolin99]

Hi guys i dont usually say much on this site but i have a mutt ETE32 and so do a few of my friends in my area (South Florida) I love my turbo and havent had any problems. But my point is just because thiers a small percent of dsm'rs who talk online doesnt mean thiers not people out thier running great times with certain turbos. I dunno i just fell like everyone always listens to what people say but online when really just do your own thing you'll learn for yourself and prolly be faster than following the crowd.

 

[NosLaser]

I don't know why I'm bothering here...

Get whatever turbo you want. The ETE32 seems to come up cheaper than the other two, so why not opt for that one? Because no one else has proven it? It took people well over a year to run 12's on 16g's and 20g's. The ETE32 hasn't been out for a year yet, and already people are expecting it to be in the record books. You wanna talk quality? I don't want to hear that bullcrap. I've seen Greens and Reds taken apart. Sure, some may come out good, but others look to have been built by someone who was having a very bad day. Why don't you call obert at Forced Performance and ask him about Daniel at DSM-Performance? See if he has ONE negative thing to say about him, and his turbocharger knowledge. There's a challenge that won't even cost you anything. Larry, if you want something to be a bit laggier, then you should go with the Green. The ETE32 will spool faster, and make more top end power than the Green though. I'll have an ETE42 on my car, and I'll post numbers when it's done. f need be, I'll be the one to prove the power potential. Whichever turbo you choose, good luck.

Regards,